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Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:41 am

Airline passenger dies in the restroom during a flight

04/12/2007

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- An airline passenger died in the restroom during a flight and wasn't found until the cleaning crew boarded the plane after it landed, a federal lawsuit contends.

The passenger, Taisuke Matsuo, 66, apparently had a heart attack on an American Airlines flight from Tokyo to Chicago during the first leg of a trip home to Indianapolis, according to the lawsuit filed Monday by his wife, Carolyn D. Watts.

After the plane landed at Chicago O'Hare International Airport on April 13, 2005, passengers and flight crew disembarked and the jet was taken to another gate for cleaning. Workers then discovered the bathroom was locked from the inside and found Matsuo's body -- about two hours after the jet landed.


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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:52 am

Why does this need a lawsuit? It's not the airline's fault he died.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Why does this need a lawsuit? It's not the airline's fault he died.

Exactly. People die. Even on planes. It isn't the F/A's job nor the airline to monitor you in the bathroom. Unless you are an UM, where they should check to make sure you are okay.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:04 am

Not to set blame at anyones door step but do airline crew not check an aircraft from front to back after a flight?
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:04 am

He died two years ago. This thread's title should to refer to the lawsuit, not the death.  twocents 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Why does this need a lawsuit? It's not the airline's fault he died.

Correct, but read below.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
It isn't the F/A's job nor the airline to monitor you in the bathroom

True, however, it is the f/a responsibility to ensure no one is left onboard and that includes checking lavs after customers deplane.

I always make sure that overheads are opened after customer deplaning and lavs are checked. It's just common sense for crew to do that. As passengers, it is not expected for you all to know that tidbit. It is just another aspect of our job description.

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:28 am

From what I can tell, the airline isn't a fault here for anything other than not making sure the plane was secure prior to landing. Shouldn't the F/A's take note that the lav was locked? I mean, there are signs that illuminate when the lav is occupied, right? I don't see how the F/A's shouldn't be expected to notice that the lav is occupied when the plane is about to land. Also, shouldn't they have taken note that the lav was occupied for an extended period of time?

I hate to say this, but what if there was a terrorist in there preparing? Shouldn't the flight crew take note that someone has been in the lav longer than normal, and check to make sure things are ok? Again, I'm not saying AA is at fault here... BUT.... What if they had noticed the guy had been in there 10-15 minutes. Shouldn't they have knocked to see if he was ok? No response, you open it and see.

Anyway, it wasn't handled well by AA. I don't think they're at fault....But they certainly could have done a better job of monitoring things.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
True, however, it is the f/a responsibility to ensure no one is left onboard and that includes checking lavs after customers deplane.

Absolutely. I agree there. But it wouldn't make the guy any less dead...  Sad

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 6):
Shouldn't the F/A's take note that the lav was locked? I mean, there are signs that illuminate when the lav is occupied, right?

But those same signs illuminate when the F/A locks it from the outside before landing, which I've seen them do (but not always). Maybe the F/A's thought they had locked it themselves?
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
It isn't the F/A's job nor the airline to monitor you in the bathroom.

Maybe it is to ensure everyone is safe, nobody left luggages or coats, and nobody is hiding
anywhere after is supposed to board off, not to mention that counting deboarding pax
would easily reveal it also for security reasons ?
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:00 am

I missed the reason why the wife is taking the matter to court?
About the crew failing to notice the pax is in the lavatory, sounds strange. At least in Europe the airlines have strickt procedures what crew members have to do, pre, during and after the flight. For example the airline I used to fly for, made us check the toilets every 20 mins in order to make sure all is ok in the toilet and also to restock it if necessary. Also before landing crew would go through the cabin to do "cabin secure checks". This includes the galleys, the cabin and pax and the toilets. Once the member of the crew has checked the toilet is empty it should be locked from outside, which is possible, in order to prevent possible entry by pax (in big planes it is easy for a pax to quickly and unnoticeably pop in the toilet and possibly remain there for landing!). After landing the toilets were reopened in case someone really needed to go, but apparently this guy had been there for long time? And surely the crew needs to check all areas to ensure everybody has disembarked, think if the plane is on remote stand and a pax starts to wonder to the terminal! I dont know then if such procedure is not followed at AA.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:16 am

If the pax next to me got up before landing and never returned, I'd be suspicious and would probably alert a F/A. Either during landing or certainly once we were on the ground. Esp if the flight was full.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Why does this need a lawsuit? It's not the airline's fault he died.



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
however, it is the f/a responsibility to ensure no one is left onboard and that includes checking lavs after customers deplane.



Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
Workers then discovered the bathroom was locked from the inside and found Matsuo's body -- about two hours after the jet landed.

What I'm inferring here is that the wife may feel that her husband's life might have been saved had the f/a checked the lav subsequent to deplaning. Those two hours may have made a difference in whether he lived or died.

From the article: "The lawsuit accuses American Airlines of negligence and seeks damages of about $150,000."

From what I've read, it sounds like some negligence could be argued; however, I don't know whether an autopsy may have revealed the actual time of death relative to when he was found.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
True, however, it is the f/a responsibility to ensure no one is left onboard and that includes checking lavs after customers deplane.

And aren't FA's supposed to ensure no one is in the bathroom before landing and also switching the sign to "occupied" so that the bathroom door isn't misconstrued as an exit in case of an accident? I'm betting an FA assumed that another FA already checked the lav before landing.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:43 am

What are the damages -- even if the airline screwed up? The indignity of being left dead in a lav really doesn't mean much to a dead person. I just don't see his family is entitled to any damages here.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 3):
Not to set blame at anyones door step but do airline crew not check an aircraft from front to back after a flight?
Lost property and the like or is it left to the cleaners.

Also be a good idea to check so some nut case doesn't hide there and later try and steal the plane.

As for if the airline is liable, I can't see why they should be. If someone dies in the mall bathroom and nobody finds the body till 2 hours after closing, is the mall liable?
It just seems that if it happens on a plane people think they can sue for it.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:30 am

Sound like to me with a lawsuit looking for $150,000 for damages, that the lawyer is just looking for a quick settlement and get their 1/3rd of it and that AA will get this embarassing situation off their books.
I could understand a spouse of this person seeking some modest damages for not finding him for 2 hours after the flight had arrived. I am quite sure she was emotionally affected by this situation of finding out her husband died in a toilet on an aircraft. She probably wants AA to review how this could have happened and to reduce the risk of it happening in the future due to fears of lawsuits. I wonder if she would have sued if he had died in his seat? If he had, at least the airline could have found a dignified way to treat his body.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:08 am

Perhaps she's sueing AA, because they left her husband in the lavatory; and she feels that they should have upgraded him to 1st class as per BA policy !!!!!
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
But it wouldn't make the guy any less dead...

Correct, but he would have been found a lot sooner and taken care of sooner, as well.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Maybe the F/A's thought they had locked it themselves?

That happens, but it always good to double check. You never know. As is the case here.

Quoting Max777geek (Reply 8):
Maybe it is to ensure everyone is safe, nobody left luggages or coats, and nobody is hiding
anywhere after is supposed to board off, not to mention that counting deboarding pax
would easily reveal it also for security reasons ?

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:52 am

Quite a bizarre story, and a few things don't really add up...

- Surely whoever he was sitting next to would have noticed the guy leave and not come back?
- Did no one on the whole aircraft see the guy go into the toilet and not come out again?
- Woudn't the FAs check the bathrooms before landing?

Really strange...

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I hate to say this, but what if there was a terrorist in there preparing?

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:24 am

Quoting Goodbye (Reply 18):
- Woudn't the FAs check the bathrooms before landing?

Very strange indeed. It's amazing that no one checked the lavs before landing or after everyone got out. I don't know if the law suit will be won, but still some poor work by the crew.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Goodbye (Reply 18):
- Surely whoever he was sitting next to would have noticed the guy leave and not come back?

That is very common...people moving from one seat to another... I wouldn´t notice either!
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Jetblast25 (Reply 10):

Thats a very good thought. I would have wondered as well.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:39 am

I wonder why his name was Kaisuke Matsuo and is wife's name is Carolyn Watts?
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
What are the damages

emotional distress,loss of consortium etc etc etc
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 22):
I wonder why his name was Kaisuke Matsuo and is wife's name is Carolyn Watts?

OK I'll bite. Maybe it is because they were a married couple not bookends of each other. There is no law that says you have to adopt your husband's last name when you get married. While it may be rare for people of different nationalities or races to marry one another in your neck of the woods, in other countries it is not rare at all.

As far as the lawsuit goes AA will probably pay out to make it go away. They shouldn't but probably will.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:37 am

This happened 2 years ago, why the delay in the lawsuit?

I'm sure they're looking for AA to settle this out of court for a tidy $$
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:54 am

In my opinion, the airline is not at fault, however I thought airline cabin staff had to make sure everybody was in their seat with seatbelts on prior to descending. I would have thought that checking the toilets are empty before descent was a standard procedure.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:29 am

Not sure of the circumstances in this case, but a passenger could have a heart attack or collapse from some other medical crisis while in a lavatory but it may not be immediately fatal. In a case like that, there would a stronger case for negligence since the passenger may have survived had he/she been found earlier and given medical treatment. In this case, I expect they were able to determine the time of death fairly accurately. Perhaps there should be some kind of electronic warning system for the crew to indicate when a lavatory has been occupied more than a certain time (e.g. 15 minutes or so) which could then be investigated.

On an international flight, especially one arriving in the US, it should also be a concern to the TSA and immigration authorities if a passenger could hide in a lavatory prior to landing and not be found until a couple of hours after arrival when the aircraft might be empty and parked at a remote location. The passenger could then easily deplane without being noticed and have access to the entire airport, or at least enter the US without any immigration inspection. I'm surprised there isn't a fairly thorough check of arriving international flights to ensure they are no "stowaways" (living or dead) after the last passenger has deplaned.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:59 am

While the flight attendants should have noticed that the lav was occupied for at least the last 30 minutes of the flight (if not more) and after arrival, if they had discovered him inflight or after landing the outcome would have been the same very likely. If you die at the time of a heart attack, it is usually a massive heart attack which means immediate death.

While the situation is definitely unfortunate, it does not warrant a lawsuit. Unfortunately, in the US a lawsuit is not always filed based upon merit, it is filed with the hope that you can convince a jury to believe something regardless of it's merits.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:34 am

My Dad used to fly between BDL and LAX frequently, to visit my sister. He was on one AA flight when a guy got up and went into the lav...and didn't come out. After about a half an hour, he mentioned that to an FA--who got the guy to open the door. He was in there working on his laptop. Either he was doing top secret stuiff, or F was just too noisy for him !
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:02 am

Give me a break! If this happened to a member of my family I would be so pissed at the airline I'd sue them until they bleed. F/As are responsible for everything happening in the airplane. How the hell can you leave a dead man behind? Isn't this a major breach of security? What if the guy was simply hiding, he would have then gotten in the country illegally. Who is then responsible for that? You need to stop holding airlines and airline employees to such low standards.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:38 am

Don't they check the lavs prior to landing? Make sure passengers are in their seat, tray tables up, seat belt buckled... that sorta thing?
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:11 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 30):
Give me a break! If this happened to a member of my family I would be so pissed at the airline I'd sue them until they bleed. F/As are responsible for everything happening in the airplane. How the hell can you leave a dead man behind? Isn't this a major breach of security? What if the guy was simply hiding, he would have then gotten in the country illegally. Who is then responsible for that? You need to stop holding airlines and airline employees to such low standards.

You're kidding, right? Although F/As have a professional obligation to render assistance if possible (CPR, defib, etc.), how can they help if the guy had a heart attack in the lav? He was probably dead in five minutes.

Sh---t happens. It's sad, and I hope it's never me, but there's no legal liability in my view based on what little we know from the report.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 31):
Don't they check the lavs prior to landing? Make sure passengers are in their seat, tray tables up, seat belt buckled... that sorta thing?

You are supposed to of course...and clearly the F/A's were in part liable for this incident. We will never know if it could have saved his life for sure, but it is definetly neglagence on behalf of the airport staff. The cleaning crew appear to be more qualified to check the A/C than the AA flight attendants. F/A's don't need to be held to such low standards in every lawsuit against them. What if someone was suffocating in the bathroom and passed out, would you not think the F/As were completly innocent if after the bathroom was occupied for 45 minutes, including when the plane descended and landed when the F/As are supposed to check the whole cabin, the man just died on the floor because no one opened it...... not to mention the security risks involved.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:37 pm

Im just curious why whoever he was sitting next to wasnt questioning why the guy never returned to his seat. On such a long flight I'm sure he had personal items left at the seat so wonder why the other people in his row didnt take a look or mention anything.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:53 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 22):
I wonder why his name was Kaisuke Matsuo and is wife's name is Carolyn Watts?

Well see, when children are born, their parents get to name them. I know that normally we're all named Carolyn Watts, but apparently Kaisuke Matsuo's parents decided that Carolyn Watts was to common for their tastes. So they chose differently.

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting Nycfuturepilot (Reply 34):
Im just curious why whoever he was sitting next to wasnt questioning why the guy never returned to his seat.

A relative was sitting in a seat 8 rows behind and he went to visit when the Fasten Seat Belt light turned on?

Who knows? Did the gentleman appear to be in distress before he went to the lav? I don't know, and honestly don't care if the person sitting next to me gets up and goes away, and neither would most people. Now you can use the vacant armrest.

Seriously.

I really don't care what everyone else on the flight does. As a medical professional, IF he was showing signs of distress prior to leaving, I would definitely be watching out for him. If not, it's just another pax on the flight that might have been separated from his family, or had something else to attend to. It's really none of my business where he goes unless he's charging the cockpit.

...and no, I'm not really a heartless individual... in fact, quite the opposite. I care for peoples' privacy.
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting Nycfuturepilot (Reply 34):
Im just curious why whoever he was sitting next to wasnt questioning why the guy never returned to his seat.

Maybe the person sitting next was just happy to have more room and assumed that he found another seat. If this would happen to me I wouldn't suspect anything wierd is going on, at least until after landing.

btw, if the Airline is found guilty, would the company take measures against that flight's crew, since they are the ones that screwed up? could the law suit be personal to those f/a's instead of to the airline?
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 37):
Maybe the person sitting next was just happy to have more room and assumed that he found another seat. If this would happen to me I wouldn't suspect anything wierd is going on, at least until after landing.

Exactly!
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 25):
This happened 2 years ago, why the delay in the lawsuit?

It was probably filed just before the two year deadline. I'm not sure which court they're in, but I'd guess a state court since this isn't something that happened in the air. Here in Illinois you get many damages suits for auto accidents filed just before the two year limit. In fact it happened to my mom about six months ago - her auto insurance company notified her that the other party was filing a claim for injuries suffered in an accident a couple of years prior.

Why wait? In some cases you file because you have to (or you hit the time limit), even before you have everything in place. In other cases, call me cynical, but I think it's just to maximize the probability that witnesses for the defense become unavailable, unfindable or develop fuzzy memories.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:13 pm

Let's just suppose that the poor pax actually wasn't in the lav before landing. Perhaps he was feeling ill during descent, and went to the lav AFTER the plane parked at the gate, never to return?

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
Why does this need a lawsuit? It's not the airline's fault he died.

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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
True, however, it is the f/a responsibility to ensure no one is left onboard and that includes checking lavs after customers deplane.

Absolutely. I agree there. But it wouldn't make the guy any less dead...

The FA's could have rapped on the door, but it would have taken maintenance some time to arrive at the a/c and get the door loose. Would he have lived otherwise? Who knows, but I find it hard to accept the FA's were negligent in this matter. FA's are required, too, to have a head count of who gets on the a/c, not who's getting off when the a/c arrives. FA's also don't have timers on the lavs to see who's been in there for a long time, so there's no way really that they could have known, other than knocking and concluding that there might be someone inside (not that the lav door could mysteriously be locked any other way, unless the door was somehow jammed shut).

Even so, not to diminish what happened, there should be something in place (like a timer for the lav) to let the FA's know that someone has been in there a long time, so they could, like in this case, try to get to someone who may be unresponsive.

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:09 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
And aren't FA's supposed to ensure no one is in the bathroom before landing and also switching the sign to "occupied" so that the bathroom door isn't misconstrued as an exit in case of an accident? I'm betting an FA assumed that another FA already checked the lav before landing.

Flight attendants must check lavs before landing and depedning on the airline crew / airline some lock the laws prior landing and some don't. But also if somebody is in for like more than 10-15 mins or passengers who are waiting to use the laws or flight attendnats notice it and the FA's wold then knock and ask if everything is alright. But if this really happend early into this long flight this is really strange to me.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 14):
Also be a good idea to check so some nut case doesn't hide there and later try and steal the plane

No offence, but what a stupid comment. It would have been a 777 if it was coming from Japan and it was at ORD. So you just happen to think that some guy is going to steal a 777 from one of the busiest airports in the world.

For a start, who is going to push it back?! Even if he knew how to fly a 777 it just ain't gonna happen!
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 32):
Sh---t happens. It's sad, and I hope it's never me, but there's no legal liability in my view based on what little we know from the report.

Sh--t happens because we let it happen. This is no excuse. The F/A profession should be treated as a serious occupation and F/As should be treated and paid accordingly. Working for an airline should not be considered as a better alternative to working for McDonalds.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
I'm surprised there isn't a fairly thorough check of arriving international flights to ensure they are no "stowaways" (living or dead) after the last passenger has deplaned.

Long thread about this incident when it happened, focusing on this aspect ....


As for the lawsuit, it is in federal court, but the 2-year limitation guess is probably right.

My question is, everyone has assumed it is a suit for wrongful death... Is it? The article does not say that anywhere, and there is one big clue that suggests it is not: the damages sought are $150,000 . Assuming that counsel has rounded them up the amount generously for the claim (as is always the case) that looks more like damages for doing an indignity to the body, or some such allegation.... a wrongful death suit should be more like $1.5 million.

If it WAS a lawsuit for wrongful death, OTOH the plaintiff would have an uphill battle... She must must prove:

1. that the FA's had a duty of care, to look after their passengers (yes)

2. that the standard of care required that they make checks of the lavs and they failed to meet that standard (Possible)

3. that the failure to check the lavs caused the death (in fact and at law). This depends on when he died (read the PM analysis and you'll know) in part, but also depends on the family proving that he would have been saved if the FA's had checked.. i.e., that he could have been resuscitated onboard and/or that the plane could have diverted and landed in time for him to be treated at hospital... and

4. that the result (death by abandonment in lav) is foreseeable... (arguable).

Interesting case (much more so than the one on my desk in front of me, that I am ignoring as I write this)

Quoting 474218 (Reply 22):
I wonder why his name was Kaisuke Matsuo and is wife's name is Carolyn Watts?



Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 35):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 22):

Well see, when children are born, their parents get to name them. I know that normally we're all named Carolyn Watts, but apparently Kaisuke Matsuo's parents decided that Carolyn Watts was to common for their tastes. So they chose differently.

I wonder why your handle is 474218 and mine is ContnlEliteCMH?

Good one ContnlEliteCMH. More measure than my response might have been...
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 35):
Well see, when children are born, their parents get to name them. I know that normally we're all named Carolyn Watts, but apparently Kaisuke Matsuo's parents decided that Carolyn Watts was to common for their tastes. So they chose differently.

My point is that she is too good the take his name in marriage, but she has no problem taking money because he died.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 6):
I hate to say this, but what if there was a terrorist in there preparing?

yep. always one...

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 30):
Give me a break! If this happened to a member of my family I would be so pissed at the airline I'd sue them until they bleed.

Oh riiiiight. So may I ask what you would do with all that money? Buy a nice new car? Buy an Armani suit and a Rolex? Typical of the sickos out there who's eyes turn into dollar signs at the death of a family member. I would support your greedy feelings if maybe he started coughing and they used the defibrillator and he died, or maybe he fell down in the aisle and they stood around looking at him. That would be negligence. Leaving the body in the bathroom has NOTHING to do with the man's death. That was a failure of procedure that should result in a letter of reprimand for failing to make sure the cabin is secure after arrival. Sorry but the F/A's failure to secure the cabin after the flight does not mean you should be entitled to go and buy lots of shit on their dime.
 
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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 11):
Those two hours may have made a difference in whether he lived or died.

I suspect the coroner's report would indicate the time of death. It's not that hard to determine even if no one is there to witness the death. If those actors on CSI can do it... LOL But seriously, if the time of death was while the aircraft was still airborne, then there is no case.

But from another thread that got a lot of attention in the last few weeks... there are some here on a.net who think the lav is a perfect place for a dead body...

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RE: Dead Man Found In AA Lav

Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 30):
Give me a break! If this happened to a member of my family I would be so pissed at the airline I'd sue them until they bleed. F/As are responsible for everything happening in the airplane. How the hell can you leave a dead man behind? Isn't this a major breach of security? What if the guy was simply hiding, he would have then gotten in the country illegally. Who is then responsible for that? You need to stop holding airlines and airline employees to such low standards.

That's the wonderful benefit of not actually being there or knowing what happened. We can all what-if this to death. Yes, the flight crew should have checked if the lavs were ALL empty prior to deplaning. It is a relatively universal requirement to check the plane before leaving. But again, if the time of death is determined to be while the plane was inflight, there is no wrongful death involved, or negligence that CAUSED his death... merely just a delay in discovering it. It's sue-happy people who give Americans a bad reputation internationally, among other things. "It's all about me".  Yeah sure

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