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AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:11 am

Changing your seat on an American Airlines Inc. flight may cost an extra $15 for customers who didn't buy their tickets directly from the airline.

The Fort Worth-based carrier, which has trying to push more transactions online as a cost-saving measure, began charging the fee to customers who call the airline for a seat assignment or to change seats rather than making the request through their original booking agency.

There is no charge for customers who booked their tickets directly through the airline, or who request the changes online or on American's voice-activated phone system.

The fee also does not apply to changes made during bad weather, or by American's Executive Platinum fliers, customers with a disability that requires special seating assistance or those flying on a government or military fare.

A spokesman for the airline said the change brings American in line with many of its competitors and is similar to the additional fee charged to customers who call the airline to change an itinerary booked through an outside company.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ries/041307dnbusaabrf.3a1026c.html
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
A spokesman for the airline said the change brings American in line with many of its competitors and is similar to the additional fee charged to customers who call the airline to change an itinerary booked through an outside company.

Funny I just did this with UA the other day (booked on Yahoo) they didn't charge me to switch tickets...
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:11 am

Absurd! Whats next to nickel and dime the passengers to death.?
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:34 am

Just when you thought you had heard it all...

This charge really stinks. What are they talking about that it puts them in line with other carriers? I have never heard of another carrier doing this. It'll be interesting to see if their Orbitz/Expedia/Travelocity bookings go down and whether or not that affects their loads at all.
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Absurd! Whats next to nickel and dime the passengers to death.?

Well since NK is going to charge for checked baggage, I guess the next thing is pay toilets!
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:41 am

I had a similar expierence with Alaska. I booked a F ticket from EWR-SFO RT via SEA on Orbitz. I decieded to cancel the return portion (long story as to why), called Alaska because they were the number on my e-ticket reciept (didn't have internet access to find the Orbitz #). Was told that a travel agency (orbitz) booked my ticket and that there would be a $50 charge if they refunded it, the women recommended that I call Orbitz. I mean come on, first you take away the commission from travel agents and now your charging your customers fees for changes made to those tickets. Seems to me that airlines are just trying to stop price shopping, hoping that if they have to go directly to the airline website they won't check out other airlines. If this was about trying to promote online use, then the fee would also apply to those reservations made by phone with the airlines.
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Absurd! Whats next to nickel and dime the passengers to death.?

I expect there will be a charge to add your frequent flyer number over the phone. I don't have an AAdvantage account, instead when I fly American I have the miles credited to my Alaska Mileage Plan account. However, when booking online at AA.com, there is only a place to put in an AAdvantage number. So I end up calling to have it added.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 5):
I mean come on, first you take away the commission from travel agents and now your charging your customers fees for changes made to those tickets.

This is nothing new. I don't know the rules associated with your ticket, but there is almost always a fee associated with changing or canceling. The fee applies whether you change the ticket with the airline or the agency. In fact, if you had called Orbitz, it would probably have cost you more, since on top of the $50 fee Alaska charges (and the agency would collect and pass on), they probably have their own fee.
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 6):
In fact, if you had called Orbitz, it would probably have cost you more, since on top of the $50 fee Alaska charges (and the agency would collect and pass on), they probably have their own fee.

US$35 to be exact.

On top of any other fee.

NW charges extra for "better" seats, aisles for instance . . . . just more BS for the passengers to put up with . . . and then the carriers have the balls to say "passengers shouldn't feel so disgruntled".  faint 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 6):
This is nothing new. I don't know the rules associated with your ticket, but there is almost always a fee associated with changing or canceling. The fee applies whether you change the ticket with the airline or the agency. In fact, if you had called Orbitz, it would probably have cost you more, since on top of the $50 fee Alaska charges (and the agency would collect and pass on), they probably have their own fee.

My ticket was first class and was fully refundable and changable without any fee.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
US$35 to be exact.

Nope, no fee from Orbitz, I got a full refund back within about a week or so after I called Orbitz (got someone to look the # up off the Internet)
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 8):
Nope, no fee from Orbitz, I got a full refund back within about a week or so after I called Orbitz (got someone to look the # up off the Internet)

Interesting. I have a F TIcket, ANC-ORD-CID for June 14, 2007. I had to change the tix a month or so back. Original Tix were $1601.10. After a CHANGE FEE of $US100 to UA, Orbitz charged me US$35. change fee as well.

Fare Basis perhaps?
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Fare Basis perhaps?

Perhaps, mine was FASR
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:24 am

Change fees can and are add and passed on to travelers not only from the airlines. But, also from travel agencys. The airlines charge us for changeing the ticket. And yes fare increases can be added in on top of the change fees.

I'm not surprised at this from AA. They are the ones that wanted to charge connection fee. In other words. If you go from DTW-SAN with a connection in ORD. They wanted to charge the Travel Agency a $3.50 fee both ways. AA is just reaching out and testing the waters to see what they can get away with.
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:44 pm

Another good reason not to fly AA! I've also herd that AA plans to install coin operated locks on the restroom doors, it will cost you $.25 to use the restroom. FC passengers will be given complimentery tokens.
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:33 pm

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 12):
it will cost you $.25 to use the restroom.

While I in no way believe this, one must think: does the small revenue generated from bathroom usage really outweigh the negative press that is guaranteed from such a policy? I think not.
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:35 pm

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 12):
Another good reason not to fly AA! I've also herd that AA plans to install coin operated locks on the restroom doors, it will cost you $.25 to use the restroom. FC passengers will be given complimentery tokens.

This I find hard to believe. Though charging for 'preferred' seating is quite the norm with Monarch and other UK-based carriers so I'm not surprised to see that making its way across the Atlantic.

It's a long time from the days that competition was about improving systems and services and somehow has become about competing to increase costs and reduce services. Seems to somehow go hand-in-hand with the current US administration's backward thinking.
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:22 pm

There is nothing wrong with that - most airlines here will charge you up to $50 to change plus the difference in the fare! Whether you book direct or not.
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
A spokesman for the airline said the change brings American in line with many of its competitors and is similar to the additional fee charged to customers who call the airline to change an itinerary booked through an outside company.

Does anyone know who these competitors are that charge for seat changes on travel agent booked tickets?
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:13 pm

What's next? Charging for the air you breathe inside the cabin?

Seriously. I really wish it upon the airline industry that they merge, consolidate, and that few just go out of business. Too many airlines.
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:22 pm

It sounds to me (from this article) like its not a problem if you change the seat through your original booking agent/website. So...if you booked it through Expedia, then change the seats through expedia. Of course, the easiest way to avoid this problem is to just use AA.com.... they have a low fare guarantee... so if you find a low fare on expedia/travelocity/orbitz, you should find the same itinerary for the same, or less, on AA.com. (I have found this to be true). So just play it smart and it shouldnt be a big problem...

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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:31 am

There are not too many seats, airlines are raking in fantastic load factors. The problem is they have absolutely no pricing control. If you think the "nickle and diming" as you call it is bad, see what happens if you take a few carriers out of the market (merge, go out of business, etc). That $15 for a seat change will become a $150 fare increase per round trip. The simple fact is, the airlines have to find creative ways to generate revenue because the science of trying to raise fares is a precarious one. Fuel is up. Labor costs are increasing (you did'nt think the unions were gonna go with these concessions forever did you?). Something has to give. If your costs rise, so must your price. It's economics at its simpliest. It's pretty easy to see which people here actually know something about the industry and all of its screwy dynamics, and which ones "just think airplanes are cool." There's nothing like standing in line at checkin and hearing the guy in front of me complain about how he booked a $199 dollar round trip to the west coast but has to pay a few bucks for a premo seat. What an injustice. And as several people have pointed out, book at AA.com, and you don't have to pay the fee anyways.
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:30 am

All companies are willing to try new ways to earn some extra bucks...geez. The idea behind trying to get everybody to book their tkts via aa.com is the way to go but AA is going about it in the wrong way
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:52 pm

So only executive Platinum members can change for free?? Wouldn't you think that Platinums and Golds should be eligible too? That seems a bit odd to me, as they are all elite members and it's just a seat change!
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 20):
All companies are willing to try new ways to earn some extra bucks...geez. The idea behind trying to get everybody to book their tkts via aa.com is the way to go but AA is going about it in the wrong way

I completely agree. CO offers 500 bonus miles for trips booked on Continental.com, and that has always kept me to booking directly through them and not one of the other travel sites. AA should do the same...
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 19):
The simple fact is, the airlines have to find creative ways to generate revenue because the science of trying to raise fares is a precarious one.



Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 19):
book at AA.com, and you don't have to pay the fee anyways.

That is easy to say. Many foreigners would give their front teeth to book online with some USA carriers. Unfortunately our credit cards (money) are not accepted online on these carriers’ websites and we have to resort to services like Expedia or travel agents. Meanwhile I have booked flights online with carriers like QF, NZ and EK and had no problems whatsoever. I’m aware of credit card fraud. However, why can world-class airlines like SQ, QF, EK, CX, NZ, etc. put sufficient security and control measures into place, allowing foreign cards online, while USA carriers are not “creative” enough to generate revenue from actual ticket sales by just opening up their websites to the majority of card holders?


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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:15 am

SA7700,

Agreed. Management possessing some sort of creativity would go a long way towards fixing the plight of certain individual airlines. Even so, you have to give AA some credit for essentially reorganizing without having to hide in Bankruptcy for years on end and without butchering the pensions of their employees. They did it the right way. That said, I would imagine it comes down to return on investment. I would imagine AA has researched how many overseas passengers book with AA.com online (or attempt to). My guess is the cost of the increased security measures and increased fraud risks offsets whatever benefits there may be. So I'm not sure it's a lack of creativity, just not enough ROI. Still, as a countermeasure, the change fee should be waived for passengers whose itinerary begins and ends outside of North America.

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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
Changing your seat on an American Airlines Inc. flight may cost an extra $15 for customers who didn't buy their tickets directly from the airline.

LOL...That Southwest Airlines TV ad IS right!!!
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:04 am

Business plan brain storm. Create a Lavatory lock that accepts ATM cards, mayor credit cards, cash, with a clock that will time the usage of the "little room" and charge by it e.g.

1) first 3 minutes $0.75
2) every next minute after that $0.35

Sell it to the airlines.

Oh! wait another Idea, charge for boarding, deplaning, pieces of carry on, napkins, water, (wait AA charges $ 1.00 per bottle of water). Sell the onboard magazine, sell the newspapers, or better yet, charge for the angle your seat can recline.
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting LVHGEL (Reply 26):
Oh! wait another Idea, charge for boarding, deplaning, pieces of carry on, napkins, water, (wait AA charges $ 1.00 per bottle of water). Sell the onboard magazine, sell the newspapers, or better yet, charge for the angle your seat can recline.

I'm sure there's a rep from Ryanair here somewhere thats rapidly writing down all of these ideas for their transatlantic service!
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 11):
They are the ones that wanted to charge connection fee. In other words. If you go from DTW-SAN with a connection in ORD. They wanted to charge the Travel Agency a $3.50 fee both ways.

Could it be this $3.50 was not a connection fee "Imposed by AA" but rather the additional Passenger Facility Charge that must be paid for flights?

Just the airport can charge up to $4.50 per segment for a takeoff/landing, and then there is also the government segment tax of $3.40 per flight.

It's funny how things can get reworded to make one company look outrageously unfair in pricing, when sometimes people just don't understand that having a connection will cost more because of costs associated outside the airline's control.

This is a smart move because passengers should realize that booking through the airline directly is the option that makes most sense. Why do you think they offer the AA.com Lowest Fare Guarantee? Websited like Orbitz/Expedia all charge extra to book on their websites, but the airline doesn't.

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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting JetBlue (Reply 28):
I'm sure there's a rep from Ryanair here somewhere thats rapidly writing down all of these ideas for their transatlantic service!

LOL... just a sec! you might be right, hargg!
 
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RE: AA To Charge $15 For Some Seat Changes

Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting Cba (Reply 22):
I completely agree. CO offers 500 bonus miles for trips booked on Continental.com, and that has always kept me to booking directly through them and not one of the other travel sites. AA should do the same...

They do!

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