HVNandrew
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More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:20 am

Starting in June, there's some things going on with DL's LAX schedule. As we already knew, DL is shifting all of the Delta Connection flying to ExpressJet, but with that come some other (odd?) changes, to both Connection and mainling flights.

Beginning June 7:

DLC is dropping service to PSP (could be seasonal?).
DL is also upgrading the evening LAS flight to mainline, keeping the morning flight a ERJ.
DLC is going from 2x daily SFO service to 4x daily
ExpressJet begins 2x daily service to TIJ
ExpressJet begins service to MFE 1x daily
FLL goes from a mix of 738s and 752s to daily 752 service

On July 1, DL adds a mainline flight to SEA in addition to the daily ERJ.

[Edited 2007-04-15 02:21:49]
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:40 am

There are actually a few more changes happening sooner as well.

LAX-ACA discontinued Eff 4/15
LAX-GUA frequency reduced to 3x week Eff 4/23
LAX-MGA discontinued Eff 4/14

Also hear some of the Mexico CRJ/ERJ flying will see some frequency adjustments before the summer.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:53 am

Delta Connection is adding service to Mcallen, Texas (MFE)? When was that announced?

I also did see, in addition to the above mentioned, that for the summer season and traffic flow that frequencies that were not operating through the slower spring months are being reinstated on mainline routes, so, the Tues and Wed service on some some flights are back again.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:14 am

so wait ALL Delta Connection flying out of LAX, like Delta Connection (Skywest Airlines) and (ASA) will be Delta Connection (ExpressJet) on DL planes or will it be Delta Connection on ExpressJet ERJs?
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:57 am

I was hoping to see some flights to new destinations added with mainline aircraft (or at least 70 seaters), instead of thinking they are smart and sending a dreaded 50 seater to saturated markets.

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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):
I was hoping to see some flights to new destinations added with mainline aircraft (or at least 70 seaters), instead of thinking they are smart and sending a dreaded 50 seater to saturated markets.

LAX-ANC is starting, I believe, in June. Seasonal for now, but if they keep building up LAX it might be a decent year-round route for them if they can attract Alaskans disgruntled with AS who are headed to Mexico or SoCal for some sun.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
DLC is dropping service to PSP (could be seasonal?).

Unlikely. DL took the opportunity to sell seats on what was primarily a maintenance respositioning flight. Skywest conducts contract maintenance on ASA's LAX-DLC fleet.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:30 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 2):
Delta Connection is adding service to Mcallen, Texas (MFE)? When was that announced?

It's been loaded onto the schedules at delta.com. I don't think there was a press release.

LAX-MFE

DL 7660 LAX 1725 MFE 2238 ERJ

MFE-LAX

DL 7691 MFE 0625 LAX 753 ERJ
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):
I was hoping to see some flights to new destinations added with mainline aircraft (or at least 70 seaters), instead of thinking they are smart and sending a dreaded 50 seater to saturated markets.

Well, it looks like DL is trying to slowly fix that, by taking those routes that were originally only regional jets, and now mixing the service with mainline, which is exactly what they're doing in LAS and SEA.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
DL is also upgrading the evening LAS flight to mainline, keeping the morning flight a ERJ.

Its always nice to see a flight upgraded to mainline.

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
ExpressJet begins service to MFE 1x daily

This is a flight I wasnt expecting. I still wish Delta flew to Harlingen instead of MFE though. I guess the competition from WN scares them away from serving there.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:51 pm

I also belive that DL will send their 738s rather than their 752s to MCO from LAX 2x daily.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 2):
Delta Connection is adding service to Mcallen, Texas (MFE)? When was that announced?

DCI already operates twice daily service from MFE to ATL, so it is not a totally new destination. Btw, does XJE do some kind of MX at MFE? Sure doesn't look like a typical route you'd expect out of LAX.

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
DL is also upgrading the evening LAS flight to mainline, keeping the morning flight a ERJ.
On July 1, DL adds a mainline flight to SEA in addition to the daily ERJ.

That's could, that really should help their presence in these markets, though I'd suspect those mainline flights are probably only for the summer high season and will be gone with the September schedule.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:17 pm

How is Delta doing on their single daily redeyes to:
CMH
RDU
JAX
I hope they are doing well on them. BTW, how's their redeye to BDL doing? I know it was a previous Song flight which they kept?

Any word on the DLC flights to Mexico, or flights to PVR, CUN, MZT, ZIH?

Thankyou for your help guys & gals.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:37 am

The BDL flight was full both times I was on it last summer, and the seat maps usually look pretty full (though, that doesn't always mean much).
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:10 am

here are the loads for CMH, RDU, JAX for today (example)

CMH: oversold by 6
RDU: 5 in first/15 in coach
JAX: 11 in first/61 in coach

BDL: 7 in first/12 in coach

PVR, CUN, MZT, ZIH::

PVR: 11 in first/12 in coach
CUN: 8 in first/2 in coach
MZT: 6 in coach
ZIH: 9 in coach

there you go LACA773 hope that helps with your question!
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:30 am

Yuck, nasty loads on the JAX flight. The other flights look quite good. Though, it wouldn't hurt it the PVR and BDL flights had some more paying F pax.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:31 am

I have to applaud DL's attempt in expanding their nonstop options out of LAX. Does anyone know what their market share out of LAX is? I still think UA offers the most non-stops, followed by AA. Is it still the case?
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 19):
Does anyone know what their market share out of LAX is?

Year to date DL sits at 7.83% including commuter ops.

#1 United & United Express - 20.64%
#2 American & AA Eagle - 17.02%
#3 Southwest - 12.26%
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:05 am

man puerto vallerta while im on spring break! i couldve gone all this week even in first class!! Woot WOOt.... anyone else know of any more DL routes coming up? in LAX and in SOCAL?
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
Year to date DL sits at 7.83% including commuter ops.

#1 United & United Express - 20.64%
#2 American & AA Eagle - 17.02%
#3 Southwest - 12.26%

Wow, DL still has a ways to go to catch up to UA and AA. Again, I applaud them for being agressive building up LAX and offering more international destinations.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:47 am

Does their LAX terminal have FIS facilities?
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 23):
Does their LAX terminal have FIS facilities?

I think so. I always remember flying LAX-CVG on the MD-11 and when the MD-11 came in, it came from Tokyo (maybe Nagoya), and they would always make their way through a glass wall down or up and escalator. Delta still operates out of this gate with their heavies. I have seen an Air France jet there too, so I imagine the answer is yes.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:58 am

yes, it has an FIS. that is part of why DL is pushing hard to keep all of its gates so they can develop lots of int'l service.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 23):
Does their LAX terminal have FIS facilities?

Yes, with somewhat limited hours. Primary user of the T-5 FIS is Aeromexico. Outside of regular hours passengers can get bused to TBIT.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:31 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
There are actually a few more changes happening sooner as well.


You missed one still....LAX-BZE starts sometime in June.....with much anticipation in the LA Belizean community.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:16 am

I remember a few years back when AA's LHR-LAX flight came in, they would use T5. There was a time when T4 didn't have FIS facilities.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
LAX-GUA frequency reduced to 3x week Eff 4/23

Wonder if it's due to the season or the high competition on the market now that NK goes in; although I checked on Amadeus and for June the flight seems to be scheduled as daily.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
Year to date DL sits at 7.83% including commuter ops.

#1 United & United Express - 20.64%
#2 American & AA Eagle - 17.02%
#3 Southwest - 12.26%

Anyone know the makeup of domestic vs. international service? I know the WN is all domestic but is any of the informaiton here for AA & UA international and if so, how much? Also, does anyone have an idea of how much of DL's % is Mexico/International?
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 30):
Anyone know the makeup of domestic vs. international service?

Percentage of total boardings which are domestic:

UA - 89.5%
AA - 94.4%
WN - 100%
DL - 91.7%
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting A380fo (Reply 17):

Are RDU loads typically that low on this route? I thought it was doing really well.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:35 pm

What ever happened to the SJC-LAX flight they were supposed to start back in february. I checked Delta.com and no flights pop up.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:39 pm

What would be nice if DL resumed a couple of flights a day from PHX to LAX to help service Skyteam and other partners.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 33):
What ever happened to the SJC-LAX flight they were supposed to start back in february. I checked Delta.com and no flights pop up.

.....between AA/WN serving that route, I would think DL would be better off using their planes elsewhere....
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:23 pm

Quoting Delta767 (Reply 32):
Are RDU loads typically that low on this route? I thought it was doing really well.

looking on the extranet for DL here are the loads for RDU tomorrow through wednesday.. they are OK....
the first number is first class seats and the second is coach...

SUN-4 and 24
MON-11 and 92 OMG!
TUES-5 and 82
WED-13 and 66
hope that HELPS!
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 25):
yes, it has an FIS. that is part of why DL is pushing hard to keep all of its gates so they can develop lots of int'l service.

Brillance, DL. They had foresight on keeping as much as they could at LAX for the future rather than selling off pieces while during BK. Once its gone, its gone. I'm also referring to gates & FTO space.

[Edited 2007-04-22 17:03:14]
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:25 am

Does anyone know how Delta is doing on their SFO-JFK routes, I've flown them several times this year, and the flights always seem wide open. (?)
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 38):
Does anyone know how Delta is doing on their SFO-JFK routes, I've flown them several times this year, and the flights always seem wide open. (?)

Next week's flights are booked fairly heavy, summer always heavy, but since i've been away from there awhile, I can't say what the "off season" has been. Will be interesting with JB and Virgin in the picture.
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:11 pm

0148 SFO JFK 23APR 705A 23APR 333P DELTA 752 N/A 5/5 (26) -6/7 (158)
1671 SFO JFK 23APR 1250P 23APR 934P DELTA 752 0/0 (26) N/A 14/21 (158)
1496 SFO JFK 23APR 1030P 24APR 705A DELTA 752 12/12 (26) N/A 62/69 (158)
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:05 pm

A380fo, Thanks for the information. I hope things pickup for DL on RDU, JAX etc..

How are the loads on LAX-JFK doing?

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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:42 am

With all these changes/additions where Mexico is concerned, wonder if LAX-MEX might be in the works. That is one route I can't understand why they dropped. Yet UA couldn't seem to make it work either. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:58 pm

0132 LAX JFK 27APR 700A 27APR 324P DELTA 752 N/A 0/0 (26) 1/14 (158)
0082 LAX JFK 27APR 945A 27APR 613P DELTA 752 N/A -3/-3 (26) 3/16 (158)
1026 LAX JFK 27APR 1247P 27APR 912P DELTA 752 0/0 (26) N/A 2/15 (158)
0674 LAX JFK 27APR 340P 27APR 1153P DELTA 752 0/0 (26) N/A 9/22 (158)
1832 LAX JFK 27APR 1140P 28APR 751A DELTA 752 0/0 (26) N/A 0/14 (158)


8130 LAX MEX 27APR 720A 27APR 1255P DELTA* 737 N/A 3/3 (0) 9/9 (0)
8095 LAX MEX 27APR 155P 27APR 730P DELTA* M87 N/A 3/3 (0) 9/9 (0)
8061 LAX MEX 27APR 1150P 28APR 525A DELTA* M87 N/A 6/6 (0) 9/9 (0)
 
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 39):
With all these changes/additions where Mexico is concerned, wonder if LAX-MEX might be in the works. That is one route I can't understand why they dropped.

Previous regimes decided to pull out, and Alaska happily jumped on the route.

The way the current US-Mexico bilateral is written there is no chance DL returning unless another US carrier pulls out.
Keep in mind DL code-shares with Aeromexico on its flights, so passengers still do have an option.

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 39):
Yet UA couldn't seem to make it work either.

UA operates twice daily LAX-MEX, up from previous years single flight. Route has operated uninterrupted now since Pan Am's downfall in 1991, so it seems the route does "work".
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:43 pm

LAX0BDL is a flight that I've flown multiple times and it seems to usually be at least 65% full in coach, usually a little less full going BDL-LAX than LAX-BDL from my experience but I also talked to a gate agent at BDL and he told me they had a high percentage of no-shows on the BDL-LAX flight.
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RE: More DL Changes At LAX

Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:52 pm

Just how are the intra-state flights out of LAX doing? Was at OAK the other day and just a handful of pax boarding the evening CRJ to LAX. Maybe 10 at best. Obviously, one evening isn't a sign of how well a flight is doing, but.....

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