TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 6:10 pm

Yesterday a TAP A320 took off from Funchal, but suffered a bird strike when it started climbing. It set engine #2 on fire, and as a precaution it was shut down. The A320 headed for Porto Santo nearby, and landed there with a single engine. The time was 2100Z.

An hour later, a TAP A319 flown from Lisbon to Funchal made a stop at Porto Santo to fetch the passengers on the previous flight. Everything worked fine until the A319 started rolling down the runway, one of its tyres suddenly burst. Fortunately the takeoff could be aborted before the A319 zooms out the far end of the runway. No injuries in both incidents.

Anyhow, don't you think that these two incidents closely resemble the Concorde accident some days ago?
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RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 6:41 pm

Very interesting.
I guess the A320/319 is more handy and easier to control than the Concorde.
By the way ... how did the passengers felt about those two incedents? I mean 2 incedents in the same day... that's scary...


RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 6:52 pm

These passengers are probably gonna wait a while till they'll board another airplane I guess.
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RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 9:08 pm

I think the main difference is the fact that the tyre/engine failure was not contained and looks like it ruptured a fuel tank. If that happens I don't think there is anything you can do no matter what aircraft your in.

RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 10:42 pm

I haven't heard from anyone aboard yet, but I haven't seen this news anywhere. Not even in the news section of the Portuguese newspapers should already have been published...  
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RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 11:20 pm

I saw it on the TV news here but I understood this was with 2 different A319's. One suffered a bird strike on take off, the pilot had to land the plane in the closest airport wich is in Porto Santo, a small island just a few kilometers from Funchal.

The other incident was the tyre blow during the take off roll wich led to an aborted take off.

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RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Sun Jul 30, 2000 11:34 pm

I think people forget that FAA and JAA requirements for twin-engine jetliners is that they must be able to takeoff and be controllable fully-loaded on one engine. That's why when the TAP airplane had that birdstrike on the engine they were able to quickly control the plane for a non-eventful touchdown.
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RE: TAP A32x Incident: Concorde Accident Resemblence

Mon Jul 31, 2000 9:17 am

Those two incidents are unfortunately quite common, but all airliners are made to cope with these incidents.
The Concorde suffered:
1. engine #2 out
2. angine #1 out
3. a massive fuel leak on port wing
4. a yet not well communicated landing gear problem.
What doomed the Concorde was most likely the combination of TWO engines out and a terrible imballance due to the port wing fuel leak, making the plane uncontrolable at low speed. The fact that the landing gear could not be retracted added to the insufficient power problem, but was hardly a deciding factor.
What scares me somewhat about the Concorde accident is that it may have started as just one fault. Debris from the landing gear may have been swollowed by #2 engine and caused an uncontained engine failure, which put out #1 engine and ruptured the port wing fuel tank.
Due to the different overall configuration such a sequence is hardly thinkable on any Airbus or Boeing plane.
If only the Concorde had kept #1 engine running, then it would most likely have gained speed and altitude, have dumped fuel from starboard wing and landed safely on its cripled landing gear with a line of fire trucks on its tail. Not a comfortable situation, but something which it was designed to cope with, and which its crew was trained to handle.
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Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs

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