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Emirates HAM-JFK Flights - How Are They Doing?

Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:33 am

Hi there,

I've been reading quite a lot that EKs flights 205/206 from HAM to JFK and back were week performers. Now, on March 31st and April 14th, I got the chance to fly on that route myself - both times, the 77Ws were packed in all 3 classes - on the return they even looked for volunteers to give up their seats, because they obviously overbooked the aircraft. Also, I could watch that about 50% of the pax stayed in HAM, while the rest travelled on to DXB or other cities (two Austrians in front at check-in had a connection to VIE...).

So, knowing that full loads on Saturdays mean nothing, I was wondering if anyone had verified information about the performance of that route - I'd sure love to see it work and use more often!
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting PA101 (Thread starter):
Now, on March 31st and April 14th, I got the chance to fly on that route myself - both times, the 77Ws were packed in all 3 classes - on the return they even looked for volunteers to give up their seats,

Frankly, you picked two of the busiest days of the season - just about every transatlantic flight on every airline on those two days was overbooked or booked very close to capacity as it coincided with various holidays on both sides of the Atlantic. Just to give you an example, Delta experienced a record 98.1% average load factor on March 31 on its transatlantic services....April 14 - almost everything was overbooked on just about every airline because many Europeans were returning home after the Easter holidays....so unfortunately both those days are not very indicative of how a transatlantic route would 'normally' perform.
 
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RE: Emirates HAM-JFK Flights - How Are They Doing?

Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:49 am

Wasn't the EK DXB-HAM-JFK service due to be downgraded to an A345?
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
Wasn't the EK DXB-HAM-JFK service due to be downgraded to an A345?

Come the last week in May I believe. EK201/202 is due to be upgraded to a 777-300ER around the same time.
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting PA101 (Thread starter):
I've been reading quite a lot that EKs flights 205/206 from HAM to JFK and back were week performers. Now, on March 31st and April 14th, I got the chance to fly on that route myself - both times, the 77Ws were packed in all 3 classes - on the return they even looked for volunteers to give up their seats, because they obviously overbooked the aircraft. Also, I could watch that about 50% of the pax stayed in HAM, while the rest travelled on to DXB or other cities (two Austrians in front at check-in had a connection to VIE...).



Quoting Panamair (Reply 1):
you picked two of the busiest days of the season

My cousin flew on EK 206 on the 3rd of April..he said it was jammed packed.....

...actually he just flew on EK 205 today  biggrin ....I'm going to ask him in a few days or so if there were lots of pax on board...
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:39 am

My parents just went to DXB via HAM with EK on the 13th and my dad said it was so packed in buzz and eco, but he didn't know about first.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:39 pm

@Panamair:

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Frankly, you picked two of the busiest days of the season - just about every transatlantic flight on every airline on those two days was overbooked or booked very close to capacity as it coincided with various holidays on both sides of the Atlantic. Just to give you an example, Delta experienced a record 98.1% average load factor on March 31 on its transatlantic services....April 14 - almost everything was overbooked on just about every airline because many Europeans were returning home after the Easter holidays....so unfortunately both those days are not very indicative of how a transatlantic route would 'normally' perform.

Yeah - you are right, and since I'm very well aware of that, I was just wondering, how that route performes in general. Meanwhile, EK has confirmed that EK 205/206 will change to a A345 in summer - meaning a decrease in capacity (but actually an increase in comfort... Smile ) - probably due to a need for the 77W on EK 201/202.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting PA101 (Thread starter):
(two Austrians in front at check-in had a connection to VIE...).

You know who they connected to? Didn't know they had interlines "down" through Europe from HAM

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
My cousin flew on EK 206 on the 3rd of April..he said it was jammed packed.....

...actually he just flew on EK 205 today ....I'm going to ask him in a few days or so if there were lots of pax on board...

The flight count for EK 206 on April 3rd was 98 PAXS.

The flight count for EK 205 on April 16th was 112 PAXS.

Source: APIS
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 8):
The flight count for EK 206 on April 3rd was 98 PAXS.

Some people have a weird definition of jam packed, it would seem.

Just shows eye witness accounts aren't the most reliable.

For example, I thought the A380 was loud when I saw it land, but numerically, it's quiet. Why eye witness experience is worth crap!  Smile
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:26 am

What is APIS? Tried googling it but nothing came up that looked relevant. Can anyone access the pax count info on this program or whatever it is?
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:47 am

@Kevin777

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You know who they connected to? Didn't know they had interlines "down" through Europe from HAM

Sorry, don't know, since I just saw VIE on their bag-tag... but looking at the schedules, it must have been OS, LH or AB...

@all:
well, those flights on March 31st and April 14th were definitely full, as confirmed by the check-in agents...
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting PA101 (Reply 11):
Sorry, don't know, since I just saw VIE on their bag-tag...

I always look at other peoples bag-tags... testing your skills within routings and 3-letter codes... great being an aviation nerd!  Smile

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 7):
Quoting PA101 (Thread starter):
(two Austrians in front at check-in had a connection to VIE...).

You know who they connected to? Didn't know they had interlines "down" through Europe from HAM

Just did a random fare search in the ITA Software site and EK fares JFK-VIE appear as the 2nd lowest for the dates I selected, after LH.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 10):
What is APIS

APIS = Advanced Passenger Information System.

Sorry, the general public does not have access to this system.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 8):
The flight count for EK 205 on April 16th was 112 PAXS.

..thanks for the number.... checkmark ....

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 8):

The flight count for EK 206 on April 3rd was 98 PAXS.

maybe he was referring to the 2nd part of EK 206 (HAM-DXB) or the final portion of his flight EK 604 DXB-KHI......

Ok..how about checking my flight (if possible)....EK29 (DXB-LHR).. on Wednesday April 11.....
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:56 am

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I always look at other peoples bag-tags... testing your skills within routings and 3-letter codes... great being an aviation nerd!

YEAH! I love doing that too - but they were too far away to read the flight number too, and I didn't want to sneak up to their bags...  

Here - by the way - are two pics from the return flight...





[Edited 2007-04-17 23:23:41]
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting PA101 (Reply 16):
Here - by the way - a two pics from the return flight...

Gotta love the 773... and those huge engines.. it is such a beast! (In the most positive sense of the word!)

But must say that that 10 abreast in a T7 does seem very cramped... I know it's probably only a few centimeters, but I guess you can really feel it on a long flight anyway..

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting PA101 (Reply 16):
Here - by the way - a two pics from the return flight...

were you sitting way in the back? must have been loud, as I've heard that's the loudest part of the 777. I've only sat in the middle (over wing section) and the front (F on AA, J on CO) so I don't have a point of reference.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 17):

But must say that that 10 abreast in a T7 does seem very cramped.

...but the 34' seat pitch more than makes up for it..... Wink

Quoting PA101 (Reply 16):
Here - by the way - a two pics from the return flight...

..thanks for the pics... checkmark 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
but the 34' seat pitch more than makes up for it

I thought the newest EK 777s did away with that 34" (not foot) pitch for a 32" pitch...
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:21 am

@kevin

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Gotta love the 773... and those huge engines.. it is such a beast! (In the most positive sense of the word!)

Oh yeah - it definitely is! Especially in an airport like HAM, where you are used to a bunch of CRJs, Fokkers and B737s... it sure is the queen of the apron there!

I have to got my friends pics from the flight to JFK (we had to put them on his laptop, since my SD-card filled up too quickly during our vacation...) - then I'll show you two 77Ws in HAM simultaneosly (since EK 205 and 206 arrive and leave around the same times...).

@kevin and jacobin777

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But must say that that 10 abreast in a T7 does seem very cramped... I know it's probably only a few centimeters, but I guess you can really feel it on a long flight anyway...



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...but the 34' seat pitch more than makes up for it.....

The seat pitch is excellent - but I wouldn't say it makes up for the 3-4-3 abreast - the seats and in particular the aisles are indead narrow, however, you even get a small footrest and the ICE entertainment system ist the best ever!!!  Smile
In fact, the lack oven PTVs in Y (not even thinking about AVOD) makes me fully avoid LH for long-haul traffic...

@ikramerica

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were you sitting way in the back? must have been loud, as I've heard that's the loudest part of the 777. I've only sat in the middle (over wing section) and the front (F on AA, J on CO) so I don't have a point of reference.

Yeah - my friend and I sat in 46 J and K, and that was on purpose. It's the first row where you have just two seats on the window side - when travelling just with one companion, it's much more comfortable, and besides the 45H seat gives your ellbows some extra space too. I didn't think it was too loud at all, but the last two rows are located right next to the lavs, so you usually have pax waiting there... Generally, I enjoy sitting aft, since the wing doesn't bother the view... I wouldn't mind sitting up front too, but cannot always afford a F or J ticket...  Wink
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):

I thought the newest EK 777s did away with that 34" (not foot) pitch for a 32" pitch...

.....not that I know of.....

Quoting PA101 (Reply 21):
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...but the 34' seat pitch more than makes up for it.....

The seat pitch is excellent - but I wouldn't say it makes up for the 3-4-3 abreast - the seats and in particular the aisles are indead narrow, however, you even get a small footrest and the ICE entertainment system ist the best ever!!! Smile
In fact, the lack oven PTVs in Y (not even thinking about AVOD) makes me fully avoid LH for long-haul traffic...

I had no problems on it..but then again, I'm not a wide person.... Smile

took this photo (from my cell phone) last week.....



...of all my years flying on EK, besides on their A345 (really quite plane though), I've never had problems sitting on their planes in either Y or J class...be it B772, B773 or A332....
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting PA101 (Reply 21):
I wouldn't mind sitting up front too, but cannot always afford a F or J ticket...

Nor can I. That's why I save my FF miles for only these uses. Get to fly up front on AA, QF and CO on international trips, where it really counts. Nothing like F class on a 14 hour trip to make your whole vacation more enjoyable!  Smile
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:39 am

@jacobin

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I had no problems on it..but then again, I'm not a wide person....

Well... I not too wide myself, but with 184cm (I think, that's 6''0') I'm not small either. However, you are right, seating is acceptable and I would always choose EK over LH or others, however, the 10 abreast actually feels somewhat narrow - even my friend, who is much smaller (and slimmer) in comparison to me, thought that... but I say, most space were cut of from the aisles, which are really narrow.

At time of booking, the flight was scheduled to be an A345 - therefore I was somewhat disappointed, having already flown the 77W from SYD to AKL in 2005, and also looking forward to the extra long-haul settings and getting to see the first class suites in real - on the other hand: a 77W is always great!!!
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:46 am

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Nor can I. That's why I save my FF miles for only these uses. Get to fly up front on AA, QF and CO on international trips, where it really counts. Nothing like F class on a 14 hour trip to make your whole vacation more enjoyable!

Damn right you are! I even got a enough miles together with UA and DL, but for August, I actually booked myself a trip to SEA in J, since the fare was really good (and I get to collect more miles with DL too!). I'm really looking forward to that one!!!
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
.....not that I know of.....

My confusion. Some of the 772s have been configured with 33" pitch instead of 34".
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
.....not that I know of.....

My confusion. Some of the 772s have been configured with 33" pitch instead of 34".

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Quoting PA101 (Reply 25):

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Nor can I. That's why I save my FF miles for only these uses. Get to fly up front on AA, QF and CO on international trips, where it really counts. Nothing like F class on a 14 hour trip to make your whole vacation more enjoyable!

Damn right you are! I even got a enough miles together with UA and DL, but for August, I actually booked myself a trip to SEA in J, since the fare was really good (and I get to collect more miles with DL too!). I'm really looking forward to that one!!!

...for me, what's interesting is no matter if I fly J or Y (never have flown F-besides "domestic F"-which is not even F to be honest), I can't sleep for more than 3-4 hours....I've even taken sleeping pills (a first for me) with no such luck...so I figured as long as I have an exit row, then I don't mind flying in Y and saving the extra $$$..not that the dollar is worth a lot these days... spin 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
Ok..how about checking my flight (if possible)....EK29 (DXB-LHR).. on Wednesday April 11.....

Sorry, I can only check flights entering/exiting the U.S..
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 28):
Sorry, I can only check flights entering/exiting the U.S..

..thanks....

...which might also mean my cousin was correct in stating the HAM-DXB part of the flight was filled for the JFK-HAM-DXB-KHI flight....I'll have to ask him again.. yes 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:57 am

For people in the know...why did EK stop flying 345 n/s to NYC from DXB, was it because of wt/payload restrictions??
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 30):
For people in the know...why did EK stop flying 345 n/s to NYC from DXB, was it because of wt/payload restrictions??

They never stopped flying DXB-JFK nonstop. They simply introduced a third daily frequency that would have a stopover from the start. In this case, they chose HAM as the stopover point. EK still has twice daily DXB-JFK nonstops with the A345, one of these two flights however will be upgrade to a 77W.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:03 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31):
EK still has twice daily DXB-JFK nonstops with the A345,

.....actually they have one A345 on the route......EK201/202 (EK 203/204 is with the B77W)...and that will be changed to 2x/B77W soon with the A345 doing the DXB-HAM-JFK route......
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
.....actually they have one A345 on the route......EK201/202 (EK 203/204 is with the B77W)...and that will be changed to 2x/B77W soon with the A345 doing the DXB-HAM-JFK route......

I stand corrected. I guess my information was a bit outdated.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 27):
...for me, what's interesting is no matter if I fly J or Y (never have flown F-besides "domestic F"-which is not even F to be honest), I can't sleep for more than 3-4 hours....I've even taken sleeping pills (a first for me) with no such luck...so I figured as long as I have an exit row, then I don't mind flying in Y and saving the extra $$$..not that the dollar is worth a lot these days...

That's true of me unless I'm in the full flat F product. There's something about being fully flat, where you can roll over and all that, that allows me to sleep longer. In Y, I can't sleep at all. In J, if it's a good "cradle recline" I can sleep for a few hours at a time. But full flat (not sloped) F rocks. Never been on a full flat J.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 34):
But full flat (not sloped) F rocks.

....lucky bugger..... Smile

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 34):
Never been on a full flat J.

...neither have I....though I'm closing in on enough BA miles to try their J-class sleeper seats....if it is as good as they claim, then I'll be basically changing all of my post-LHR flights to BA (ie. no EK)....especially since I always connect via DXB (and BA has the sleeper service to DXB).....
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