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BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:39 am

Noticed that some flights normally operated by GT will be operated by Excel Airways this summer, these include ALC, MLA, FAO, may not have Club class.

Assuming the aircraft are being utilised for BA (GT) GIB-MAD flights.

[Edited 2007-04-16 22:01:17]
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:09 am

I don't think the MAD-GIB flight will cause that much of a hole in the schedules - AFAIK the aircraft is not based at either airport; it will operate LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:55 am

Aircraft to be 737-800 G-XLAG from XL Airways

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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:07 am

We had the same thing at FAO last year. The first thing I noticed in the summer timetable was 738 as equpiment, which I assumed was a typo until you get the "operated by Excel Airways for GB Airways" message under the reservation. What I do not agree with is that they haven't withdrawn I, D, C, and J classes for sale even though as Richardw correctly suggests, there is no Club class.
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:12 am

I am flying LGW-LPA-LGW next month, I hope these aren't affected! The XL aircraft aren't a patch on the more luxuriousley appointed GB Airways' fleet! Not fair!:o(
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:20 pm

But don't the XL planes have blue leather seats like BA?
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 2):
Aircraft to be 737-800 G-XLAG from XL Airways

Will she stay in Excel colours?
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
it will operate LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW

When was this flight announced? And what is the reason for it?
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:11 pm

The 738 shows 10 C class and 168 Y class seats

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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:06 am

The way to spot them is to look at the timetables at ba.com and then instead of GT it will have BA in the operated by column.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 8):

Thank God for my sake, but what about passengers who have paid extra for a premium service and end up on a charter service? I don't think I'd be happy if I turned up to Gatwick to find that the flight I paid over twice the price for was subbed by a charter flight with 29" seat pitch!
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:40 am

Happened on those BA LGW-TPA flights a few years ago, people were not happy.

At the end of the day the terms and conditions allow BA to treat passengers more like self loading freight.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 10):
Thank God for my sake, but what about passengers who have paid extra for a premium service and end up on a charter service? I don't think I'd be happy if I turned up to Gatwick to find that the flight I paid over twice the price for was subbed by a charter flight with 29" seat pitch!

Theres a difference to "being subbed by a charter flight" and operated by Excel.

Apparently the 737 will be in BA colours, Excel pilots, GT cabin crew in standard BA uniform, with full GT/BA cabin service. My guess is most people won't even notice. Lxlgy has already said its showing as 10C and 168Y, so as long as they only sell 10C seats it should be fine.

The reason is that A320 G-TTOA had to go back to the leasing company, and the new A321 won't be coming for a couple of months yet.

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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:54 am

Yes, I remember! It was in the news and everything. I found it hard to blame the pax though. And BA didn't handle the situation well- why they chose that (Spanish?) airline is a wonder because as I remember it was an old 747-200 or similar. Some people had paid £4000 for a Business class seat and ended up with a cruddy seat on an old aircraft.

But well within BA's t&cs!
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12):
Apparently the 737 will be in BA colours, Excel pilots, GT cabin crew in standard BA uniform, with full GT/BA cabin service. My guess is most people won't even notice. Lxlgy has already said its showing as 10C and 168Y, so as long as they only sell 10C seats it should be fine.

That does sound like a shocking number of seats to fit on a 737, considering BA's 737-436 aircraft have a maximum of 147 seats in an all Y config.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:09 am

If the a/c is in GT colours (BA), it will be nice to see a 73NG in BA colours, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it would be the first ever 73NG in BA colours Big grin
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 14):
That does sound like a shocking number of seats to fit on a 737, considering BA's 737-436 aircraft have a maximum of 147 seats in an all Y config.

Not sure how many people Excel usually fit in the -800s? Preseumably though GB Airways being the customer had a say in how the aircraft is configured.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12):
Lxlgy has already said its showing as 10C and 168Y, so as long as they only sell 10C seats it should be fine.

So when it is back with Excel, they will sell some seats as Premium seats, could be good for flights to TCI.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:33 am

Just heard from XL operations that the aircraft leased to GB Airways will be G-OXLA when it is leased from Miami Air for summer.
Aircraft livery not known as yet, but may operate in Miami Air hybird like last summer, but without the XL.com tail, not sure about BA titles etc.


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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 18):
Aircraft livery not known as yet, but may operate in Miami Air hybird like last summer, but without the XL.com tail, not sure about BA titles etc

I don't see the point in painting a leased aircraft for a couple of months. Decals will do I'd say.
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 14):

Hardly fair comparing the capacity of a 400 series 737, with the seats on an 800 series....

A max of 178 pax on the aircraft leased from Excel, suggests a fairly similar set up to that on GB's own A320s - certainly not normal UK charter configuration.
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting Richardw (Reply 17):
So when it is back with Excel, they will sell some seats as Premium seats, could be good for flights to TCI

Doubt it very much. Changing seats is a very easy job. Out with the premium and back in with more economy.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:14 pm

Also noticed TFN has been dropped for winter 07/08 by GT, wonder where they will go instead, NCL-TFS perhaps.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:53 pm

Could someone please tell me when the LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW was announced and what is the reason for it?
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Richardw (Reply 11):
At the end of the day the terms and conditions allow BA to treat passengers more like self loading freight.



Quoting Raffik (Reply 13):
But well within BA's t&cs!



Quoting Raffik (Reply 10):
what about passengers who have paid extra for a premium service and end up on a charter service?

Why single out BA? It is the same for every other airline. All airlines reserve the right to substitute aircraft, airline, level of services etc under their terms of carriage and conditions. If you paid for First/Club, and the substituted aircraft/airline could not offer these services, they will refund the premium that you paid in your fare. Some passengers would prefer that their flight is operated, albeit by a different airline and aircraft, rather than no flight at all.

I had a friend in US who after a bad experience refused point-blank to fly with CO again. She booked a VS flight direct with Virgin, got issued with a VS ticket that gave a VS flight number and she was as happy as the moon. She arrived at the airport only to find that her "Virgin" flight was being, and always had been operated by CO. She was livid and almost refused to fly. OK, it was a code share but try explaining that to someone with very little knowledge about airlines, code shares etc.
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 23):
Could someone please tell me when the LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW was announced and what is the reason for it?

GT has historic ties with Gibralter, more at www.gbairways.com , and has done LGW-GIB for a long time, GT's holding company, The Bland Group, also owns the Rock Hotel on Gibralter aswell, the Spanish recently gave the go ahead for MAD-GIB flights and BA (GT) and IB decided to do a codeshare on the route. The flights do not have a GT code and are operated for BA.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 23):
Could someone please tell me when the LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW was announced and what is the reason for it?

It was announced on 20 March and is in co-operation with IB who will also fly the MAD-GIB-MAD sectors.

The flights start at LGW as GT does not have aircraft based at GIB even though its origins are as a DC-3 operator, GIB Air, flying across the Straits of Gibraltar.

The reason for the flights is to link Madrid and Gibraltar without travellers having to fly to southern Spain and then cross the land border. GT will be operating one flight a day from 1 May departing GIB at 1940, arriving MAD at 2100, departing MAD at 2130 and arriving back at GIB at 2240.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 23):
Could someone please tell me when the LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW was announced and what is the reason for it?

GB Airways (a franchisee of BA) have been operating LGW-GIB-LGW traditionally. The new thing is the GIB-MAD-GIB.

The whole story began when IB announced its MAD-GIB-MAD service, once the authorities of Spain and Gibraltar reached an agreement to use this airport as a civil terminal (before, they were not allowed to serve any other route from GIB out of UK).

When the Spanish carrier started (at some point at the end of last year) the route (which it operates daily departing Madrid at... ¿11:30?), it was said that IB was in talks with BA to complete the service with an afternoon flight in order to ensure passengers travelling to MAD or GIB to come back home at the end of the day.

Therefore, BA agreed to implement the new frequency. Now you can fly to/from Gibraltar with one ticket (since both flights offer both BA and IB codes), with your morning flight being operated by IB and the afternoon one by BA (better yet, by GB Airways for BA).

Iberia expects 40% of the traffic to be connecting passengers (that's why they put such a strange schedule, to pack all passengers coming from the US/America to GIB) and operates the route with an Airbus 319 with both tourist class and business. Apparently, the load factors were around 50% the first months, probably due to the fact that Málaga Airport is very close to GIB and allows more flexibility to choose the flight you want, but now it is starting to raise.

GB Airways is using an Airbus 320 (with two classes), and apparently its arrival will dinamize the route, since now travellers will be able to have nicer schedules (2 daily flights instead of only 1). As far as I know from BA.com, GB Airways is offering in its GIB-MAD service a pay-as-you-go model on board similar of the one that IB used in short haul flights, and therefore travellers will not be able to have a free drink and a snack, but you can purchase them if you want.

Let's cross our fingers to make the service successful.
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:31 pm

Thankyou for all your great informative answers!
 
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:33 am

Probably get better service with Excel than BA anyway  Wink
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RE: BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways

Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 29):
Probably get better service with Excel than BA anyway

Read the thread, it's GB, different airline, fool Wink
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