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When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:17 am

i know A.net was discussing this last summer in detail...if im correct, but is EK waiting for the A380 to start these flights???
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:02 am

My friend started thought that EK would start serving LAX by August, but no such plans have been made, the newest destinations of EK in the americas were KIAH and Sao Paulo Garulhos.
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:04 am

I don't think the A380 has the range for DXB-LAX nonstop. The only EK planes that can do DXB-LAX nonstop are the 777-200LR and the 777-300ER (if they lighten it up with 3-3-3 seating). That being said, I think the likely 777-200LR destinations are to be Sao Paulo, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Vancouver.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting Caliatenza (Thread starter):
but is EK waiting for the A380 to start these flights???

I think they approached Boeing regarding the new 747s, EK wanted them espcially designed for the LAX route, probably long range...
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
I think they approached Boeing regarding the new 747s, EK wanted them espcially designed for the LAX route, probably long range...

Emirates did not want to buy the 747-8 just for LAX. They were interested in the 747-8 and simply gave Boeing criteria to meet: Full load, LAX-DXB-LAX non-stop. Meaning, if Boeing can get the plane to do that, and offer a reasonable price, Emirates would buy it.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:51 am

Quoting Caliatenza (Thread starter):
but is EK waiting for the A380 to start these flights???



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
I don't think the A380 has the range for DXB-LAX nonstop

It's stated range is 8,000 nm. DXB-LAX flying over the N.Pole is 7,246 nm.
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:21 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 5):
It's stated range is 8,000 nm. DXB-LAX flying over the N.Pole is 7,246 nm.

Winds? I remember hearing the A380 cannot do DXB-LAX-DXB with a sufficient payload.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:07 pm

I did read that EK might be looking to fly their -200LR's to LAX.....now if I can only find the bloody link....

I think EK would clean up house.....
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
The only EK planes that can do DXB-LAX nonstop are the 777-200LR and the 777-300ER (if they lighten it up with 3-3-3 seating).

...and the A340-500
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:02 pm

This has been a rumored service for a long time. My hopes were high that LAX would be EK's next destination, but now I think they will try another before it. Probably further east. I remember thinking that there was no way EK would choose IAH over LAX, but I was dead wrong. The Oil industry is just too large in both cities.
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:14 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
This has been a rumored service for a long time. My hopes were high that LAX would be EK's next destination, but now I think they will try another before it. Probably further east. I remember thinking that there was no way EK would choose IAH over LAX, but I was dead wrong. The Oil industry is just too large in both cities.

...add the fact Halliburton is moving corporate HQ (at least part of it) to DXB, and one expects to see DXB-IAH be a good money maker up in F/J class
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:36 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
I don't think the A380 has the range for DXB-LAX nonstop.

However, the A380 can free up some planes that do have the range.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
only EK planes that can do DXB-LAX nonstop are the 777-200LR and the 777-300ER

Don't forget the A345, however I do not expect to see that plane in LAX with EK ever.

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:05 pm

In the period Apr 2008 to Mar 2009 Emirates will commence the following new services using B777-200LRs. Precise dates of launch of the routes haven't been finalised yet.

DXB-SFO (Daily)
DXB-LAX (Daily)
DXB-GIG-EZE (4-5x weekly)

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:18 pm

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):

sources?

If true, great news!

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):

thanks very much...any word on the aircraft planned for use?
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting Caliatenza (Reply 14):
thanks very much...any word on the aircraft planned for use?



Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):
commence the following new services using B777-200LRs
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:29 am

Or serving LAX via HAM would be cool too... Big grin
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:59 am

Wasn't there also a proposed AKL-LAX route? What happened to that?
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 11):
Don't forget the A345, however I do not expect to see that plane in LAX with EK ever.

-CXfirst

CX,

Why do you say that? Does the A345 have the range to make it to LAX? While I'm a die-hard 777 fan, it's still a nice aircraft, I've flown it DXB-JFK-DXB twice. Great flight.

The one I'm looking for is DXB-SFO! Not far from home!!!

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):
In the period Apr 2008 to Mar 2009 Emirates will commence the following new services using B777-200LRs. Precise dates of launch of the routes haven't been finalised yet.

DXB-SFO (Daily)
DXB-LAX (Daily)
DXB-gig-EZE (4-5x weekly)

Would be very good news a DXB-GIG-EZE service ! Hope they can begin this by 2008

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting LurveBus (Reply 17):
Wasn't there also a proposed AKL-LAX route? What happened to that?

Yeah I heard about that too.. no idea what happened though.
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 15):

ooops my bad...i didnt read, thanx Big grin
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
I did read that EK might be looking to fly their -200LR's to LAX.



Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):
In the period Apr 2008 to Mar 2009 Emirates will commence the following new services using B777-200LRs. Precise dates of launch of the routes haven't been finalised yet.

DXB-SFO (Daily)
DXB-LAX (Daily)
DXB-GIG-EZE (4-5x weekly)

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....I read an interview with Clark stating that had it not been for the A380 delays, ORD would have been a route EK wanted to fly...in fact, from what I remember, EK recently had a meeting with ORD officials regarding them flying to ORD....ORD has now provided EK with the gate space, ect...its just a matter of EK getting the aircraft it needs...

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 18):
The one I'm looking for is DXB-SFO! Not far from home!!!

....me too!!
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
That being said, I think the likely 777-200LR destinations are to be Sao Paulo, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Vancouver.

How exactly would Vancouver support a flight to DXB?
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):
In the period Apr 2008 to Mar 2009 Emirates will commence the following new services using B777-200LRs. Precise dates of launch of the routes haven't been finalised yet.

DXB-SFO (Daily)
DXB-LAX (Daily)
DXB-GIG-EZE (4-5x weekly)

This will give me another option to fly to MAA(Chennai, India) from LAX. I hope they time the flights from LAX and SFO to minimise transit time at DXB in both directions for flights to/from India.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:47 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 24):

This will give me another option to fly to MAA(Chennai, India) from LAX. I hope they time the flights from LAX and SFO to minimise transit time at DXB in both directions for flights to/from India.

...given how EK operate, you can certainly bet on it.. thumbsup 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:53 pm

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 23):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
That being said, I think the likely 777-200LR destinations are to be Sao Paulo, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Vancouver.

How exactly would Vancouver support a flight to DXB?

How would Houston or Sao Paulo support a flight to DXB? They both seem very unobvious. However, Emirates is the kind of airline who, if they can, will fly to every major city in the world. Vancouver falls under that category. And I say it will be served by 777-200LR because it can't be reached by any other Emirates aircraft (exception of A340-500).


By the way, why on earth did Emirates buy A340-500s? They use them on routes that can be done easily with 777-200ERs, and I am sure A340-500s cost more than 777-200ERs.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:55 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 26):
By the way, why on earth did Emirates buy A340-500s? They use them on routes that can be done easily with 777-200ERs, and I am sure A340-500s cost more than 777-200ERs.

They don't know what to do with all the cash they are getting. That's what I think. Also, I belive they used it for a JFK-DXB route for quite a long time. I belive it was the night flight.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:43 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 26):
How would Houston or Sao Paulo support a flight to DXB?

Houston: Oil.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 18):
Why do you say that? Does the A345 have the range to make it to LAX? While I'm a die-hard 777 fan, it's still a nice aircraft, I've flown it DXB-JFK-DXB twice. Great flight.

I said that I doubt that the A345 will ever go to LAX, as I think it will get the -200LR immediatly. SFO might get the A345 as it is a smaller route.

Even though the A380 cannot reach SFO and LAX from DXB, it could go to New York, free-up some 77W or the A345, that aircraft might go to IAH, and the 777-200LR going there might go to LAX.

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 26):

How would Houston or Sao Paulo support a flight to DXB?



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
...add the fact Halliburton is moving corporate HQ (at least part of it) to DXB, and one expects to see DXB-IAH be a good money maker up in F/J class

Sao Paulo will see lots of cargo.....

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 26):
By the way, why on earth did Emirates buy A340-500s? They use them on routes that can be done easily with 777-200ERs, and I am sure A340-500s cost more than 777-200ERs.

lower density premier seating....such as DXB-ZRH..where EK is contracted for their J and exceptioinal F-class suite on their A345's (which they dont' have on the other planes).....

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 30):
lower density premier seating....such as DXB-ZRH..where EK is contracted for their J and exceptioinal F-class suite on their A345's (which they dont' have on the other planes).....

Also no ETPOS restrictions. Gives the A345 a handy flexibility of operation - not of any consequence over the USA, but not insignificant over big stretches of water with few landing options...
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 31):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 30):
lower density premier seating....such as DXB-ZRH..where EK is contracted for their J and exceptioinal F-class suite on their A345's (which they dont' have on the other planes).....

Also no ETPOS restrictions. Gives the A345 a handy flexibility of operation - not of any consequence over the USA, but not insignificant over big stretches of water with few landing options...

....not of any consequences to EK in general, as they don't have any routes which would require very long ETOPS times..and if they needed it, they can apply for extra-ETOPS and the various aviation authorities would look at it on a "case-by-case" basis...

ETOPS 180 is all EK will probably need anyway....
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
This has been a rumored service for a long time. My hopes were high that LAX would be EK's next destination, but now I think they will try another before it.

EK has stated in the past that they want 400 passengers a day with 10 tons of cargo into LAX. There's no plane available today to do the route. Airbus was supposed to rework the A346IGW to fly 340 pax to LAX but didn't do it. So EK dropped their A346 order and went to Boeing to get them to redesign the B748i to fly 500 miles further than it is now designed to do and guarantee 400 pax + 10 t cargo year round. Apparently Beoing isn't interested ether.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 26):
if they can, will fly to every major city in the world. Vancouver falls under that category

So do about 30 other cities in North America...
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 13):

Emirates management. Specifically head of Americas Commercial Operations - Nigel Page.

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 26):
How would Houston or Sao Paulo support a flight to DXB?

Sao Paulo is the first logical choice in South America being that it is the largest city on the continent and one of the largest in the world. Houston is the Oil capital of the Americas. Many eyebrows raised when IAH was chosen over LAX, ORD and other places that, however after examining Houstons local economy, it seems that EK and IAH will be a good fit for one another.

LAX will have its day, its just a matter of EK having the planes with the right capacity that has the right range.
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:27 am

Sao Paulo is already confirmed as destination effective next november 6x weekly with 772LR. Also, the flight will be the easy and fastest option South America-Middle East. Probably the advance booking is driving EK to run the second flight to South America, the DXB-GIG-EZE.

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:46 am

EK could always do a stop somewhere in europe....and then fly onwards to LAX. Is it possible for them to fly via asia to LAX? do they have 5th freedom rights for onward traffic??
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 34):
So do about 30 other cities in North America

Vancouver would be able to support an EK flight. There seems to be a lot of traffic going to the Gulf area. Most of the traffic is from the large Iranian, Indian and Ethiopian community. Vancouver also gets a lot of connection traffic from the Canadian Oil patch to U.A.E, Dubai and Oman.
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting DYK (Reply 39):
Vancouver would be able to support an EK flight. There seems to be a lot of traffic going to the Gulf area. Most of the traffic is from the large Iranian, Indian and Ethiopian community. Vancouver also gets a lot of connection traffic from the Canadian Oil patch to U.A.E, Dubai and Oman.

The Iranian population is only 20,000 and the Ethiopian population doesn't even show up on statcan's data table. Plus the U.A.E. and Dubai are trying to diversify their economy and move away from oil.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):

i do hope the connections are good...because i would be flying BLR-DXB-LAX.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 40):
The Iranian population is only 20,000 and the Ethiopian population doesn't even show up on statcan's data table. Plus the U.A.E. and Dubai are trying to diversify their economy and move away from oil.

good research i guess? Vancouver city does have a small Iranian pop. maybe check out the pop in West and North Vancouver it works out to be just under 65,000. Every time i read one of your replies about Vancouver you always seem to be in disbelief or or kind of negative?
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:07 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 5):
It's stated range is 8,000 nm. DXB-LAX flying over the N.Pole is 7,246 nm.

As others have noted, winds and diversion reserves. An O.K. rule of thumb is to map a route in Statute miles and compare that to a plane's range in nautical miles. Since DXB to LAX is greater than 8,000 statute miles, the A380 won't be an economical airframe for the route. Also, have you seen the various graphs (in a.net posts) that clearly show how with every airliner the CASM shoots up for the last 10% of range?!? SYD-LAX is only 6507nm, but every bit of the 744's 7400nm range is called in on that route.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 24):
This will give me another option to fly to MAA(Chennai, India) from LAX. I hope they time the flights from LAX and SFO to minimise transit time at DXB in both directions for flights to/from India.

I think EK would do very well at both LAX and SFO. ORD too (but definitely later in the game).

I did a little variation on the distances and noticed ICN to MAA would be ~800nm shorter. Have you heard anything about Korean Air opening the route? I'm just curious as for many India destinations ICN is well located to be a hub from the West Coast to India... At 2872nm, too far for any single isle in Korean air's fleet... So I'm wondering if you've heard any plans?

Question: MSP is known for its middle-eastern population. Are there enough economic ties to justify DXB-MSP? (Note, I'm asking.)

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 29):
Even though the A380 cannot reach SFO and LAX from DXB, it could go to New York, free-up some 77W or the A345, that aircraft might go to IAH, and the 777-200LR going there might go to LAX.

Exactly. JFK could easily support an A380 and the fact its 1300nm closer to DXB puts the A380 within its economical range.  Wink

Quoting Antskip (Reply 31):
Also no ETPOS restrictions. Gives the A345 a handy flexibility of operation - not of any consequence over the USA, but not insignificant over big stretches of water with few landing options...

Ugh... not a big deal anymore. The FAA changed the rules a while back and loss of an engine is a far less likely scenario than a cargo fire, medical emergency, or run on the flights booze supply.  Wink What's more important is the 772LR economics. Although keeping a dedicated fleet for premium markets makes sense. (But could just as easily be done with the 772LR as with the earlier purchase of the A345... But the A345's are in the fleet, so EK is smart enough to make some good money with them. I doubt LAX would support enough of the premium cabin to see the A345.)

I would love to see the A380 at LAX. But that would require the proposed A388R (fuel tanks in the wing box). Since that airframe's development was dependent upon work performed on the A380F (all now canceled), I will happily await the 772LR.  spin 

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 43):
Ugh... not a big deal anymore. The FAA changed the rules a while back and loss of an engine is a far less likely scenario than a cargo fire, medical emergency, or run on the flights booze supply.

Please correct me, but I thought ETOPS was specifically targetted at twins, and calibrated on the ability of a one-engined twin to get to a safe airfield? In your comparison, a medical emergency does not put everyone on board at risk - and mentioning the booze supply is simply not taking the matter seriously. However unlikely, the loss of an engine on a twin a long way from a useable airfield remains a nightmare scenario, and no amount of past statistics would make it any less serious. It just takes one very unlikely event to blow a statistic sky high. And it will happen, be sure of that. In that event, the ETOPS regulations designed for twins in one-engined situations will pay for every amount of present inconvenience for those who may argue that twins have as much power redundancy as quads. I have no doubt that modern twins are very safe, but also that ETOPS rules recognize that a one-engined twin is in a different situation to a three-engined quad - and twins need special treatment to reflect that.

The question I have is, given that there is a great deal of space on the Indian Ocean more than one hour's flying time from a safe landing place (therefore requiring ETOPS rules), what airlines fly direct between Australia and Africa with twins, and under what ETOPS conditions? I thought that QF, MAU, and SAA all use quads?
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 12):
In the period Apr 2008 to Mar 2009 Emirates will commence the following new services using B777-200LRs. Precise dates of launch of the routes haven't been finalised yet.

DXB-SFO (Daily)
DXB-LAX (Daily)
DXB-GIG-EZE (4-5x weekly)

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excellent news and most of all thank u for sharing it with us...seems that IAD and ORD are falling in stature with EK...though I bet they will closely monitor QRs DOH-IAD flight performance/loads etc.

[Edited 2007-04-22 04:25:31]
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 43):
I did a little variation on the distances and noticed ICN to MAA would be ~800nm shorter. Have you heard anything about Korean Air opening the route? I'm just curious as for many India destinations ICN is well located to be a hub from the West Coast to India... At 2872nm, too far for any single isle in Korean air's fleet... So I'm wondering if you've heard any plans?

The current bi-laterals entitle Korean airlines to 14 frequencies a week(2800 seats), and restrict them to BOM and DEL. Hyundai has an auto plant in Chennai(MAA) and a ICN-MAA flight will be very convenient for Hyundai personnel and West Coast originating passengers. I for one would prefer flying LAX-ICN- MAA over 2 stop flights on SQ and MH.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting Antskip (Reply 44):
Please correct me, but I thought ETOPS was specifically targetted at twins, and calibrated on the ability of a one-engined twin to get to a safe airfield? In your comparison, a medical emergency does not put everyone on board at risk -

True. Now that engine reliability is an order of magnitude better, the FAA is getting ready to transition to LROPS rules.  Smile

There are still details in there that impact a twin far more than a quad (e.g., triple hydraulic pumps, triple sources of aircraft power, etc. But those are fixed via the APU)

Yes, ETOPS rules are out there, but once there is a full transition to LROPS, the only parts of ETOPS that will remain in full force will be:
1. Demonstration of design/operational reliability for extended overwater operations.
2. Triple redundancy of non-propulsion flight safety critical gear (e.g., APU for power and hydraulics)
3. Engine maintenance plans.

The remainder of the ETOPS rules will be folded into LROPS and will apply to all aircraft.

But you are correct in noting ETOPS still applies. I'm in R&D. We live in the future and are working to the future rules.  Wink

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 46):

The current bi-laterals entitle Korean airlines to 14 frequencies a week(2800 seats), and restrict them to BOM and DEL. Hyundai has an auto plant in Chennai(MAA) and a ICN-MAA flight will be very convenient for Hyundai personnel and West Coast originating passengers. I for one would prefer flying LAX-ICN- MAA over 2 stop flights on SQ and MH.

Thank you for the insight. This clears up more than one question for me.  Smile

2800 seats is a pretty tight budget. I didn't realize Indian bi-laterals limited flights and seats... interesting. (Not too surprising after thinking about it, but still interesting.)

As to EK, a one stop is much preferable over a two stop. I don't know how people did Sydney to London on the flying boats...  Wink I'm thinking business trips were yearly not for terms still easily denoted in weeks.  spin 

Unusual number of good threads tonight!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: When Will EK Fly To LAX

Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting DYK (Reply 42):
good research i guess? Vancouver city does have a small Iranian pop. maybe check out the pop in West and North Vancouver it works out to be just under 65,000. Every time i read one of your replies about Vancouver you always seem to be in disbelief or or kind of negative?

So you are saying West and North Vancouver are not part of the CMA defined by statcan? I have nothing against Vancouver, its just I am skeptical as to how this flight would do well.

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