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Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:55 pm

A few details emergnig about what the A350XWB cabin will be like, including some features. But no damn pictures! There are still the old A350 type pictures on www.airbus.com to get an idea.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...an-integrated-flexible-layout.html

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The partial "cabin vision" mock-up that Airbus is using as the basis of the A350 XWB's interior is centred on the door two zone. Airbus says the design is intended to give the passenger an immediate impression of spaciousness upon entering the cabin because of the smooth, continuous, integrated design with enhanced lighting.


The cabin will presumeably be like the concept shown last March.

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgur...m%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

I think its very odd that Airbus chose to show this concept so soon before launching the WXB.

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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:02 pm

Cant wait for those pics to appear...  yes 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:02 pm

I wonder if BMW will be involved in the interior design as they were originally signed up to help with the XNB?
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:12 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
I wonder if BMW will be involved in the interior design as they were originally signed up to help with the XNB?

I think the design concept will be pretty much the same as that shown last March, just larger.


Those Lines remind me of furniture designed by the Architect Zaha Hadid, whom as it happens designed BMWs award winning new factory is Leipizig.

[Edited 2007-04-17 14:21:49]
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:27 pm

So will Airbus be aiming to have 9 abreast seating in the A350XBW? The model above looks to be the standard 2-4-2 eight abreast, so I'm assuming the XWB will seat 9 across in a 777-type layout?
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
So will Airbus be aiming to have 9 abreast seating in the A350XBW?

Yep. Its unlikely any airline would offer 8 abreast in economy on the XWB, it would be too wide. The model above is the first design which was sized on the A330.
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:06 pm

Did they gloss the interior or something? Why is the plastic so shiny? This looks like the work of Ikea and not BMW
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting NorCal (Reply 6):
Did they gloss the interior or something? Why is the plastic so shiny? This looks like the work of Ikea and not BMW

I guess it will look very different when it actually gets into service. These artist impressions are always wrong and look nothing like the real thing. If they got an airlines current Y class interior incl the exact colours then it may look more realistic.

 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:21 pm

There seems to be a glossy trent in new interiors. The 787 looks quite shiney also

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices.../images/787IntMockup_K63450-08.jpg
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:28 pm

It looks like my Dentist's office.
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:29 pm

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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:32 pm

So Airbus is following Boeing with the 747-8I and 787 by offering a large Door 2 entryway.  thumbsup 
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
So Airbus is following Boeing with the 747-8I and 787 by offering a large Door 2 entryway.

Whats the need of having leage doors, its not as if passengers stampede onto the aircraft, unless your on Ryanair (seriously!).
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 12):


Quoting Stitch,reply=11:
So Airbus is following Boeing with the 747-8I and 787 by offering a large Door 2 entryway.

Whats the need of having leage doors, its not as if passengers stampede onto the aircraft, unless your on Ryanair (seriously!).

I am referring the the interior at Door 2, not the door itself.  Smile the 747-8I and 787 cabin mock-ups both have large, open areas in the cabin between Doors 2L and 2R to allow easier ingress and egress from Door 2L. I imagine (or at least hope) most airlines will not cram a galley there like they do now, which constricts movement.
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
I think its very odd that Airbus chose to show this concept so soon before launching the WXB.



Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
So will Airbus be aiming to have 9 abreast seating in the A350XBW? The model above looks to be the standard 2-4-2 eight abreast, so I'm assuming the XWB will seat 9 across in a 777-type layout?

This weeks hard-copy Flight International carries a story which says that current -XWB cabin architecture visions are being displayed in an "old" A350 mock-up (as in "narrow"), whilst the factory works on the finishing touches of a true -XWB mock-up, due to be complete in 2-3 months.
I've trawled Flightglobal, but can't find an electronic link. Sorry.

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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting NorCal (Reply 6):
Why is the plastic so shiny? This looks like the work of Ikea and not BMW

I have to agree with you there. It's a pity this isn't a Boeing concept, then we would all see it as cool, modern, elegant and class-beating
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 15):

Just to clarify I wasn't saying it was good or bad I was just saying it reminded me of Ikea
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting NorCal (Reply 6):
Did they gloss the interior or something? Why is the plastic so shiny? This looks like the work of Ikea and not BMW

It actually looks more like "Apple" designed it.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:15 am

I must say that´s a good looking interior hopefully it gets true !

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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 17):
It actually looks more like "Apple" designed it.

Bingo! Actually they would be a good marketing move by Apple - ipod IFE. The Airbus becomes the Apple ibus

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
So Airbus is following Boeing with the 747-8I and 787 by offering a large Door 2 entryway.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
I am referring the the interior at Door 2, not the door itself. the 747-8I and 787 cabin mock-ups both have large, open areas in the cabin between Doors 2L and 2R to allow easier ingress and egress from Door 2L. I imagine (or at least hope) most airlines will not cram a galley there like they do now, which constricts movement.

Has any airliner interior mock-up EVER come to fruition? Let's face it: these are intended to put the interior in the most positive light (literally and figuratively), much like home designers are brought in to enhance the appearance of model homes. In real service, the genuine article never looks like nor has the functionality (or should I say "disfunctionality") of the mock-up.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
The Airbus becomes the Apple ibus

Oh, that is good!  Wink
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 17):
It actually looks more like "Apple" designed it.

Yeah it does actually look a lot like that

iCabin?
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
I wonder if BMW will be involved in the interior design as they were originally signed up to help with the XNB?

I think Boeing got to them first.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...787-cabin-concept-for-russian.html

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 15):
Quoting NorCal (Reply 6):
Why is the plastic so shiny? This looks like the work of Ikea and not BMW

I have to agree with you there. It's a pity this isn't a Boeing concept, then we would all see it as cool, modern, elegant and class-beating

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Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 20):

Has any airliner interior mock-up EVER come to fruition?

Those intended to be revenue earners (airliners) are usually non-starters, but one-off, private billionaire ego trips stand much, much better chances.
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 17):
It actually looks more like "Apple" designed it.

The difference being it would be followed by "available starting today."  Smile
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:12 am

It's so white and sterile! I suppose they decided to get the "walk into the light" bit over with ahead of time.
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:37 am

Looking more and more like a single level A380
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting NorCal (Reply 21):
iCabin?

Good one!

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 23):
Desperate times lead to desperate behavior?

May i have to remind you that Airbus was first using Moodlight 5 years before Boeing even though to integrate it into the 787. So far for innovations.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
This weeks hard-copy Flight International carries a story which says that current -XWB cabin architecture visions are being displayed in an "old" A350 mock-up (as in "narrow"), whilst the factory works on the finishing touches of a true -XWB mock-up,

Exactly if we compare pictures:

This was the first A350 (A330 derivate) with BMW design (blue ugly seats)



This was the second A350 with diffrent seats (still A330 derivate)


This was the mockup of the first A350XWB design





Enhanced A350XWB interior to come....

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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:52 pm

Heres an image of 3-3-3 seating on the A350XWB when it was first announced. I'm sure Airbus will come up with something better in the mock up!
Big version: Width: 450 Height: 161 File size: 14kb
3-3-3 seating on the A350XWB
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:01 pm

Have just noticed that windows doent have any visible shades even in the oldest picture. Will they go like Boeing with the with electrochromatic shades?  Confused
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 20):
Has any airliner interior mock-up EVER come to fruition? Let's face it: these are intended to put the interior in the most positive light (literally and figuratively), much like home designers are brought in to enhance the appearance of model homes. In real service, the genuine article never looks like nor has the functionality (or should I say "disfunctionality") of the mock-up.

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I'm sure the concept idea works when selling homes; but surely airline executives are too clever to be impressed by shiny surfaces, and space wasting mock ups ?
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
So will Airbus be aiming to have 9 abreast seating in the A350XBW?

It up to the airlines, not Airbus.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
So Airbus is following Boeing with the 747-8I and 787 by offering a large Door 2 entryway.

Yes, and the DC10 to!
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 28):
Heres an image of 3-3-3 seating on the A350XWB when it was first announced. I'm sure Airbus will come up with something better in the mock up!

That looks huge - I'm sure that it's jsut the perspective though!

nice colours on those seats.......
 
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RE: Airbus' Cabin Vision For A350XWB

Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:05 pm

Economy Seat Comparison

A350XWB




787 (All I could find as Boeing seems to only show full pictures of the Business & First cabins)



Overall, I think the trend towards thinner seats is good as passengers get an extra inch of legroom.

[Edited 2007-04-18 15:08:22]
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:45 pm

How come the interior mockup of the 787s windows appear to be larger & a different shape to the exterior pictures of the actual prototype?

Note parallel the distance from 1) the floor level to bottom window in the interior photo above, and 2) the distance from the bottom of the door to the bottom of the window in the exterior photo.

Big version: Width: 200 Height: 150 File size: 88kb


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Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
How come the interior mockup of the 787s windows appear to be larger & a different shape to the exterior pictures of the actual prototype?

They actually look similar to the 767:

http://www.wagna.net/misc/Nose%20comparison%20787%20767%202005-08.jpg
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:14 am

They certainly don't look as big in real life as they are in the cabin images, the image you provided of the 787 shows the windows at their biggest I have ever seen. The windows look more oval and bigger in the nose section than normal Boeings but unless Boeing is going to do something similar to Airbus A380s window design I cant see the windows being that big or letting that much light in.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 35):
the image you provided of the 787 shows the windows at their biggest I have ever seen

They are in all the mock up photos.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 36):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 35):
the image you provided of the 787 shows the windows at their biggest I have ever seen

They are in all the mock up photos

I know they are all large but everytime I see them they look bigger and bigger. Does anyone know the actual size of the what the windows will be?
 
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 36):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 35):
the image you provided of the 787 shows the windows at their biggest I have ever seen

They are in all the mock up photos

I know they are all large but everytime I see them they look bigger and bigger. Does anyone know the actual size of whar the windows will be?
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:52 am

In FlightInternational hard copy they tak o there bein no central bins, only a flat ceiling o project onto. I actually believe tis would increase the feeling of space, and it seem at no less luggage space. what are yur thoughts? Also, what is a horizon line???? any ideas
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:57 am

Sorry i double posted by accident sorry

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Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:01 am

sorry triple post  embarrassed 

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Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:19 am

Ooops same for me, sorry for tripleposting, something is wrong with Airliners, though it wouldnt load it.

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Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
How come the interior mockup of the 787s windows appear to be larger & a different shape to the exterior pictures of the actual prototype?

Thats a good point, it does indeed look as they were larger.

mock up in Seattle:

Prototype:


IMO they will definitively be larger but not as wide as in the first images released from Boeing.
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
How come the interior mockup of the 787s windows appear to be larger & a different shape to the exterior pictures of the actual prototype?

Thats a good point, it does indeed look as they were larger.

mockup in Seatlle:

Prototype:


IMO they will definitivly be larger but not as wide as in the first images released from Boeing.
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:51 am

double posts all over the place!
 
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 29):
I'm sure the concept idea works when selling homes; but surely airline executives are too clever to be impressed by shiny surfaces, and space wasting mock ups ?

Oh, yeah? If that were really true a worker could take his/her dog for a walk through the mock-up and let it pee and poop on the floor. Surely airline executives are too clever to be dissuaded by some stains or smells.

A bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point -- we are all visual creatures.  Wink

Quoting EI321 (Reply 32):
Overall, I think the trend towards thinner seats is good as passengers get an extra inch of legroom.

Are you sure about that? Thinner seatbacks in my mind are just more opportunity for an airline to cram more seats with same leg-room into the same amount of space.
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