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First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:26 am

Well I know its late news but on April 15th Frontier brought its first E170 into SFO operated by Rupublic Airlines. The E170 is replacing the A319 on the LAX trips. Here are some pictures I took on that day.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:33 am

Well, that fixes their load problems! Now, will it help them get positive yields and profits on the route?

I am totally going to try flying this route now, just for fun!
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:41 am

Do the E170s have the in seat TV?
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:48 am

Well. Going north, they have two A319s and two E70s a day.

Going south, they have 1 A319 and 3 E70s a day.

How do they accomplish this?
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 2):
Do the E170s have the in seat TV?

No.................
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
How do they accomplish this?

The E170's are based in DEN. One does an early morning DEN-SFO, which puts it into the system to do SFO-LAX turns during the day, but flies back from LAX to DEN late evening.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:11 am

Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.

?? When was the last time F9 employees flew a 70 seat plane?
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.

Well since its operated by Republic, its Pilots and FA's are all Republic. Its basically like a United/Skywest thing.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:07 am

But, I forgot to add..... it is a great looking plane. Can't wait to see one in person. Just wish they were being flown by Frontier crews.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:00 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.

RP 170 pilots are probably making as much as they would be making flying the 170 at F9.

RP captains are $53 (per hour, as are all these numbers) first year/ $76 eighth year, and FOs are $23 first year and $36 eighth year. F9 captains are $115 first year and $146 eighth year and FOs are $52 first year and $88 eighth year.

That difference is not really out of line for the aircraft size difference. By comparison, US captains on airbii make $119 second year and $128 eighth year and 190 captains make $79 first year and $89 eighth year. Scale that down to a 70 seater and you're about where RP is.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:04 pm

Oh and I'm really sorry that they're jobs were farmed out to Horizon Air back then too. Its always been like that. Its the airline industry and anything can happen at anytime, and no one should take anything personally. These are like two golden rules of the industry.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):

The E170's are based in DEN. One does an early morning DEN-SFO, which puts it into the system to do SFO-LAX turns during the day, but flies back from LAX to DEN late evening.

That is an interesting way to plan the flights...  eyebrow 

I'm excited for F9. Between the E170's and Q400's, they will be able to broaden the reach of DEN *and* do a bit more point to point. It will be interesting to see where all these planes end up.

As to the E170's being outsourced... so what? Now another airline's pilots are getting paid. It would not be economical for F9 to buy and fly such a small E-jet fleet on their own. Republic flies E-jets for a few airlines and thus has quite a bit more economy of scale. I'm an aviation enthusiast too... but airlines must be run as a business. Too many have destroyed too much money.

Next time I go up to SFO I'll have to try and fly the E-jets.  hyper 

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.

I guess you could look at it that way, but in reality, that would be almost the entire industry that is doing this. I think it is a smart move on F9's part, to be able to utilize the Republic service. The aircraft can be used to test markets for future F9 expansion, and used to markets that won't fill a 318 or 319.

SFO to LAX for example (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE).... The flights are going out at less than 50% full on its own planes. F9 is losing money on the route. So, they bring Republics E170 into the market, and the Republic plane goes out at a 90+ % load factor. Both airlines benefit from this move. Plus it frees up a F9 aircraft to either expand service somewhere, or start a new destination.

If the Republic service proves well, and they benefit from the E170's, you may see F9 eventually look at ordering its own aircraft like US Airways has done (E190's).
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 13):
SFO to LAX for example (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE).... The flights are going out at less than 50% full on its own planes. F9 is losing money on the route.

Right. Only the morning flight seemed to be doing well, and they are keeping 2x LAX-SFO and 1x SFO-LAX as A319 to meet that demand. Then on the afternoon flights, they've cut the plane size in half (roughly) and should now how 80% loads on all their flights. Yield is another story, but it'll be interesting.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:20 am

I find it interesting that Frontier is listed on the aircraft and not something like Frontier Jet Express. When I sell them in sabre I get the following responce:

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OPERATED BY FRONTIER JETEXPRESS - REPUBLIC AIRLINES

I'm sure the there must be some kind of sticker at the front door and possibly the safety cards and on board announcements. Regardless I'm thrilled to see more of those birds flying in the U.S. They trully are one of the most comfortable aircraft in the air!
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:36 am

that would explain why I saw one on Monday afternoon. should help them with turning a profit on the route.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:57 am

Does anyone know the delivery schedule of the E170's to Frontier?

Lockon is already saying that the tail on N873RW is a Brown Owl, which suggests it has been painted.

They are also saying that the tail on the new A318 - N809FR - is a Porcupine. Now that I'd like to see.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:30 am

That plane looks great! The Republic crews always do an amazing job on the UAX flights i've been on. Cant wait to see those planes in FWA when Frontier announces their new city's!!  Big grin
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Lockon is already saying that the tail on N873RW is a Brown Owl, which suggests it has been painted.

They are also saying that the tail on the new A318 - N809FR - is a Porcupine. Now that I'd like to see.

The Brown Owl tail has been flying for at least two weeks now...I've seen it both in CA and at DEN. N809FR looks really sharp, too (no pun).

Republic's planes in F9 colors look really great, in my opinion! I'm looking forward to see what else they come up with as more of the 170s are delivered, as well as flying in them in the future.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:25 am

I have seen 809 and 810 and they are different. Waiting on permission to post photos here, then I can share them with everyone.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
They are also saying that the tail on the new A318 - N809FR - is a Porcupine. Now that I'd like to see.

809 looks great!  Smile

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Does anyone know the delivery schedule of the E170's to Frontier?

I've heard that additional 170s will not arrive until after summer. Until then, we still have 4 nice looking birds to look at.  Smile
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 21):
809 looks great!

The puzzle is that there are on photos of it on the German website. Usually the Hamburg photographers snap then as soon as they come out of the paintshop, but no luck with 809. Same was with 808.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Does anyone know the delivery schedule of the E170's to Frontier?

Best I could find is 4 E-170s delivered in March and April.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
Same was with 808.

any idea what they named 808?

I caught a glimps of her in Denver a couple weeks ago but the Frontier website doesn't have it listed yet...
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
The puzzle is that there are on photos of it on the German website. Usually the Hamburg photographers snap then as soon as they come out of the paintshop, but no luck with 809. Same was with 808.

mariner

Good point mariner. It would be nice to see what the tail of ship 810 will be.

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 24):
any idea what they named 808?

Hey there Cactus739!

Actually, Frontier has been a little behind in naming 950 and 808. They usually have employees submit entries and marketing selects the names from the submissions. I think they may just be waiting for the last of the mainline jets to arrive this year before accepting submissions for names. This has happened in the past when we accepted the delivery of several jets within a short period.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:42 am

Here's the porcupine on N909FR. It's actually in OMA today! http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=606955

Also, N874RW has been in rotation in the F9 system as well. No pics, but it is another deer. Very striking photo though. It is a picture of the head of a buck standing in the middle of a forest with snow gently descending onto its fur. Pretty sweet shot.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6):
Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.

I cannot agree more. I flew SLC-MSP with DL last year around this time. 733s are gone to SkyWorst CRJ900s.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Tripleboom (Reply 26):
Here's the porcupine on N909FR. It's actually in OMA today!

Thanks, Tripleboom, good stuff.

I'm still puzzled that when I go to Planepictures, it isn't showing up, either under Frontier or A318.

Odd.

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Tripleboom (Reply 26):
Here's the porcupine on N909FR. It's actually in OMA today!

That looks great!

I am looking forward to seeing 810 as well!

We don't see too many 318s in ABQ anymore. There is only the one Airbus that does the overnight, and it is scheduled as a 319. 950 was here this week though!
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 28):
I'm still puzzled that when I go to Planepictures, it isn't showing up, either under Frontier or A318.

I thought it a bit odd too. I was originally just google searching for N809FR but couldn't find anything. So I did a google search by the registration the a/c did it's flight trials under, D-AUAB, and there the pic lay in waiting. Strange huh? Most of the time those Hamburg guys will put notes like will become N809FR for Frontier Airlines. Not this time though...
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:10 am

Actually got into work today just in time to see the new A318 push. Spoke to the CA beforehand and got to take a peek inside. Still no leather seats, but apparently the a/c was pushed into service because of some broken down ERJ-170s in DEN. Currently N809FR is without the trademark DirecTV in every seat back.. not even the actual PTV hav been installed yet. Pretty raw, but that's my F9! Better to force a brand new a/c into service than to cancel a flight!
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting ORDZW (Reply 29):
We don't see too many 318s in ABQ anymore. There is only the one Airbus that does the overnight, and it is scheduled as a 319. 950 was here this week though!

Why does F9 take over some QX flights? For example, Flight 4333 is normally operated by a QX CRJ-700. Yesterday, F9 operated it with an A319. They seem to do that every once in a while.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT4333
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 32):
Why does F9 take over some QX flights? For example, Flight 4333 is normally operated by a QX CRJ-700. Yesterday, F9 operated it with an A319. They seem to do that every once in a while.

Because we have a reputation to protect. We always have one of the highest completion rates because we will occasionally cover a broken CRJ or ERJ with an Airbus that happens to be a spare at that time of the day. Maybe it's not better financially for the company, but the SCSM in DEN is just that, a cusomer service manager, and to best serve our passengers we will send a half empty Airbus to cover a fully broken CRJ rather than have a cancelation.
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:37 am

The F9 scheme looks good on the E170... I just wish they had painted the wingtips green, that would have been sweet.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:41 am

Nice... be great to see if they could bring back DEN-MSY with one of these.
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 32):
Why does F9 take over some QX flights? For example, Flight 4333 is normally operated by a QX CRJ-700. Yesterday, F9 operated it with an A319. They seem to do that every once in a while.



Quoting Tripleboom (Reply 33):
Because we have a reputation to protect. We always have one of the highest completion rates because we will occasionally cover a broken CRJ or ERJ with an Airbus that happens to be a spare at that time of the day. Maybe it's not better financially for the company, but the SCSM in DEN is just that, a cusomer service manager, and to best serve our passengers we will send a half empty Airbus to cover a fully broken CRJ rather than have a cancelation.

Exactly! This has happened more often since some of the QX CRJs have returned to the AS system. If there is a spare Airbus available in DEN, the SCSM will make every effort to send it to a city rather than completely cancel the flight. The flight number remains the same so that the passengers don't get confused.

That said, if there is a scheduled upgrade on a particular day, the flight number will be changed to a 3-digit mainline number, in this case 333/330. Since the upgrade is done ahead of time, passenger itineraries reflect the mainline flight number instead of the 4xxx Express. In all of the airlines I have dealt with, it seems that Frontier really works the flight numbers to minimize confusion. For example, whenever an Airbus flies into ABQ, it will be 33x (330, 332,336, 338). When it is a CRJ, the numbers are 4330, 4336, 4338. Republic's E170s are 4838, 4836, etc. An extra section into ABQ will be 2334, 2338, etc. depending on the current schedule. It makes it very easy for employees and passengers to remember flight numbers!
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:11 pm

Quoting ORDZW (Reply 36):
It makes it very easy for employees and passengers to remember flight numbers!

How true is that! Still feels weird hearing an Airbus call in with a four digit flight number, or we did have a downgrade a few weeks back from an A319 to a CR7.. seriously oversold flight.. not fun.. but it felt very bizarre to fill out the QX Loadmaster form with a three digit flight number!
 
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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:09 am

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RE: First E170 For Frontier In SFO(Pics)

Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:50 am

I know Republic didn't install an IFE system because of their contract, but it would have been cool to see the E170 with it. Aren't they going to be flying relatively long (2+ hours) routes?
 
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