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AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:18 am

757-200s are getting done now. 767-300s will follow suit. Lastly, the 767-200s will get done Aviation Partners in finializing developement for the 767 winglet.

Also to note, the new AA terminal at JFK can't handle a 763ER with winglets. Appropriations will be used to make those gates able to receive incoming flights.

Source: Internal.

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Forgot to add, all 767 will be retrofited with glass (777 cockpit).

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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:27 am

Awesome so they are the launch customers after all. Wonder who is the customer for 777-200's?
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:29 am

Kool, how soon for the 767?? assume the above pics are 757.....any 767 pic with winglets yet??
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting TristarCrazy (Reply 2):
any 767 pic with winglets yet??

Quote:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
767-300s will follow suit.

Leads me to believe that the 767s aren't in the shop just yet. I'm anxious to see how it looks with winglets, might add some character.

On a side note, does anyone else think that the stripes on the AA winglets appear (from a distance) to slant downward toward the rear? Could just be the curvature of the wing, but they don't look straight. Just a nitpicky observation...
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
767-300s will follow suit. Lastly, the 767-200s will get done Aviation Partners in finializing developement for the 767 winglet.

Really? The 767 fleet too? I imagine the winglets will add to their efficiency as opposed to increasing the 763's range. There aren't ample crew rest quarters on the 763's to allow them on flights over 12 (?) hours, right?

The 762's must be staying for awhile longer. Well good for AA. Now if they could something about those 757 interiors...
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Forgot to add, all 767 will be retrofited with glass (777 cockpit).

How and why? Now the 757/767 can't have the same crew.
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
The 767 fleet too?

Yes, they want the kits put on them for fuel efficiency and anticipate keeping them in the fleet for years to come. The 762s will continue to do transcon as they are very successful.

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 5):
How and why? Now the 757/767 can't have the same crew.

Not sure I understand your post. What does glass in the cockpit have to do with crews?

PS. It seems any thread to do with AA fleet management always raises one question - Are the AB6 being replaced? No.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
Not sure I understand your post. What does glass in the cockpit have to do with crews?

I don't think the thread-starter made it too clear by saying that the 767s will be retrofitted with "glass" cockpits, since they came with glass cockpits straight from the factory, albeit not the newest and the latest in today's world of ever-updating technology.

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:49 am

Those are enormous! Very cool!

I can definitely see DL fallowing suit with the 767 winglets.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
I don't think the thread-starter made it too clear by saying that the 767s will be retrofitted with "glass" cockpits, since they came with glass cockpits straight from the factory, albeit not the newest and the latest in today's world of ever-updating technology

The cockpit that you have shown was the 767-400ER which has a different cockpit than the 767-200/300.
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
I don't think the thread-starter made it too clear by saying that the 767s will be retrofitted with "glass" cockpits, since they came with glass cockpits straight from the factory, albeit not the newest and the latest in today's world of ever-updating technology.



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
AA plans to retrofit the 767 fleet with the 777 cockpit (the 764 comes with the 777 cockpit by default), and while it would eliminate flight deck commonality with the 757, it would create commonality with the 777.

Which is what he said. 767's will get 777 cockpits.

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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:54 am

So what does this mean for the rumour that AA will sell some 757s to Fedex. Personally, i would not upgrade an aircraft then sell it off. Unless off course that the if the rumours are true Fedex may get the non-upgraded 757s  Wink

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:56 am

767's with winglets, wouldn't look so bad i guess... fixing the 757's interior wont be bad either.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:00 am

Are the 767 Blended winglets or are they ranked-tips?

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 10):
i would not upgrade an aircraft then sell it off. Unless off course that the if the rumours are true Fedex may get the non-upgraded 757s

It is what you said a rumor... w/o base at all.
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 5):
Forgot to add, all 767 will be retrofited with glass (777 cockpit).

Is this a 767-400 style LCD cockpit?

I heard that 764's do not share commonality with the 777. They have a LCD based display instead of CRT's, and the gauges can be arranged in a similar fashion.

But, are you saying that now a 764 pilot can fly a 777? Will some extra training be necessary?

What about current 764 and 777 operators, like DL and CO. Can their 764 pilots also fly the 777?

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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:26 am

Wow - that winglet on the 757 looks huge! I gather the 767 winglets will be larger still?
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:34 am

Why not just use the raked wingtips on the 763's like the 764's?
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 16):
Wow - that winglet on the 757 looks huge! I gather the 767 winglets will be larger still?

AA has had winglets on its B757's for a while now... Smile

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
AA plans to retrofit the 767 fleet with the 777 cockpit (the 764 comes with the 777 cockpit by default), and while it would eliminate flight deck commonality with the 757, it would create commonality with the 777

Just to add my two cents here. The 767-400 has the same type rating as the 767-300s and 757s the only difference in the cockpits is that the CRTs are replaced with LCDs and the "old" guages go away. The overhead panel and the pedestal will remain the same. Because the pedestal and overhead are the same as the 767-300's the type rating is the same and does not have the same type rating as the 777. This is just my understanding which was explained on another thread about the 767-400 cockpit. I would assume that the 767-300's would take the same cockpit as the 767-400's being that the change would be less intense. I could be wrong but this is how I understand it.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:51 am

I am wondering if the thread starter actually means the following. It was a conversion done to ABX 767-200. Now full glass cockpit.


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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 19):
Because the pedestal and overhead are the same as the 767-300's the type rating is the same and does not have the same type rating as the 777.

Then why go through the trouble of retrofitting it? Like FXRamper said, it would just eliminate commonality with the rather large 757 fleet.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 21):
Then why go through the trouble of retrofitting it? Like FXRamper said, it would just eliminate commonality with the rather large 757 fleet.

Changing the CRTs to LCDs doesn't eliminate the commonality is what I was trying to say. I am not sure why a company like AA would even make the change. I can understand a company like CO or DL that has the 767-400 but other than that it seems like a waste to me. To change the type rating there are a number of rather large hoops to jump though as far as I know so I don't think the type rating will change just how the pilots see the flight information provided to them.

I hope this helps and if anyone knows better chime in and correct me but this is my knowledge.
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:22 am

So this will make DL, UA, and US the remaining airlines who aren't getting winglets added to their larger aircraft, eh? Is CO and NW adding winglets to all of their 757s or just some of them? Its not that I have anything against winglets or anything, but I'll always prefer the classic 757 look without the winglets. On the other hand, in my mind the 737 with winglets is by far the best looking plane out there!
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):

I'm sorry, but I smell something fishy here. Isn't AA in the process of retiring their 762's?

I'll believe this when I see it.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 24):
I'm sorry, but I smell something fishy here. Isn't AA in the process of retiring their 762's?

No. AA parked about half of their remaining 762 fleet a few years back, but the 15 that are still remaining in service are not going anywhere anytime soon. AA actually is in the process of spending about $20M to upgrade the interiors on these planes, and if this winglet story is true, that is a further capital investment in this fleet. While these planes are old, they serve the JFK-LAX/SFO markets perfectly and the likely ultimate AA replacement -- the 787 -- is probably not going to be in the AA fleet for years to come.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 23):
Is CO and NW adding winglets to all of their 757s or just some of them?

All of the 752s at CO have winglets now. I dont think the 753s are getting them.

I'm not sure the number of 752s at NW that are getting winglets. I think I heard at one point it was just going to be 10 or 12, but it would make sense to put the winglets on the whole 752 fleet I would think?
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:30 am

These 767 winglets have been kept a big secret. There were pictures/videos of 757s with winglets posted on the test planes, but no 767?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-canada-to-launch-767-winglet.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-blended-winglet-applications.html

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 21):
Then why go through the trouble of retrofitting it? Like FXRamper said, it would just eliminate commonality with the rather large 757 fleet

Does AA use 757 and 767 pilots interchangeably?

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 23):
So this will make DL, UA, and US the remaining airlines who aren't getting winglets added to their larger aircraft

I thought DL was getting the winglets. I can't remember where I heard that perhaps someone can help me out here.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:32 am

Evening to all!

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 11):
So what does this mean for the rumour that AA will sell some 757s to Fedex

No, per my conversation, AA enjoys their largest 757 fleet. A few to DL, a few leases expire. No plans for a massive sell.

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 13):
Are the 767 Blended winglets or are they ranked-tips?

I didn't clarify during my conversation. Aviation Partners will sell the kits to be installed at the revamped TUL facility.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I took this photo at ORD a while back (10/2006)

Fantastic!

Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 20):
Now full glass cockpit.

Yesir.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 24):
Isn't AA in the process of retiring their 762's

No. AA and their frequent flyers are very happy with the 3 class service the 62s deliver trans-con.

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 29):
No. AA and their frequent flyers are very happy with the 3 class service the 62s deliver trans-con.

What are the routes the 762s are used on?

Also, my understanding is that AA 777s are used only to Asia, Europe, and South America, while their 763s are used only to South America and Europe (with exception of a few occasional domestics (ex: LAX-MIA)). Is that correct?

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Also to note, the new AA terminal at JFK can't handle a 763ER with winglets.

Really? That is the worst thing so far I have heard about AA. They spent millions building that new terminal, creating a new face for themselves at JFK, and the designers could not even keep in mind that AA might someday order newer and larger aircraft??? that means that the terminal can't handle 787s either. How Pathetic!!!
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 24):
I'm sorry, but I smell something fishy here. Isn't AA in the process of retiring their 762's?

They still have (15) in active that are going no where soon.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 29):
No. AA and their frequent flyers are very happy with the 3 class service the 62s deliver trans-con.

What are the routes the 762s are used on?

Also, my understanding is that AA 777s are used only to Asia, Europe, and South America, while their 763s are used only to South America and Europe (with exception of a few occasional domestics (ex: LAX-MIA)). Is that correct?

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Also to note, the new AA terminal at JFK can't handle a 763ER with winglets.

Really? That is the worst thing so far I have heard about AA. They spent millions building that new terminal, creating a new face for themselves at JFK, and the designers could not even keep in mind that AA might someday order newer and larger aircraft??? that means that the terminal can't handle 787s either. How Pathetic!!!
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
What are the routes the 762s are used on?

AA flies them primarily on JFK-LAX (11x daily) and JFK-SFO (3x daily) plus they do a single rotation each on JFK-BDA and JFK-MIA with aircraft that arrive into JFK as redeyes in the morning but don't head out back west again until the afternoon or evening. So a grand total of 32 daily segments with 15 aircraft.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:28 pm

Hey guys, I'm not talking out of my butt here, this is privileged information that after asking for permission, I was allowed to post on. I'm glad that AA is preserving their fleet and continuing expansion.

With the AA at JFK; eh, a minor flaw with the gates. I was told we'd see rapid expansion to Europe and S. America with the 763W from JFK. I couldn't pry any cities from him, but he said it'll be some previous rumors and some ones we didn't think AA would go to. Fleet Managers are making these decisions so I hope they are routes that won't go the way of the axe. Eg. NGO, TPE, etc.

Any thoughts on future routes from JFK?

TXL?
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 34):
I was told we'd see rapid expansion to Europe and S. America with the 763W from JFK.

They have to find some, first. Without cutting routes somewhere else, there really isn't much 763 capacity to put on JFK-Europe runs, or any other runs for that matter. They could pull the two planes flying the 763 rotations JFK-SFO-JFK, but beyond that, they'd have to do some serious cutting in order to free up 763 capacity for new flying.

Personally, I don't see that happening anytime soon -- at least not until they can get some new widebody capacity (787, perhaps) to backfill -- and that won't be for years.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:40 pm

I realize it has been mentioned before, but to reiterate, AA 767s will receive the 777-style LCD panels as opposed to the CRTs, and updated software to run the new screens. Additionally, it will replace secondary "steam-gauge" instruments such as altimeters, HSI, airspeed indicator, RMI, clock, etc.. The ABX Air 767 retrofit looks sharp, even has a 777-style LCD secondary HSI. On the 764 that's still steam! I can attest to the fact that the LCDs are larger, brighter, and easier to read in direct sunlight than the CRTs they replace. This is a very good move, IMO, and hope CO follows suit with the 762, if only for reduced weight and maintenance costs.

Type-rating will still be 767 and thus not immediately compatible with the 777. Doing so would require some major work and recertification.

The blended winglets on the 767 will require a testbed (probably will come from AA) and should take 4-6 months to certify by the FAA. We've been waiting for winglets on the 767 for a while, so this is welcome news. The issue is not that the 767s can't fit in the gates, as I understand, but new procedures have to be drawn up regarding clearances for aircraft at adjacent gates to take into account the slightly increased span with winglets, much like what CO had to do at EWR when the 757s first came online with the tips.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:48 pm

Sorry for my ignorance I do not have any type of knowledge about planes in the technical sense. But putting finger nail type things on the ends of planes wings make them more efficient?

But I like how they look on the 757's. Maybe thats why I think WN's planes looks so cool with them. They certainly add to the ambiance of the plane.
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 35):
They have to find some, first. Without cutting routes somewhere else, there really isn't much 763 capacity to put on JFK-Europe runs, or any other runs for that matter. They could pull the two planes flying the 763 rotations JFK-SFO-JFK, but beyond that, they'd have to do some serious cutting in order to free up 763 capacity for new flying.

Most likely, any 767s flying Hawaii routes from LAX and SFO will be dedicated to these supposed European and South American schedules. 757s can be put on HNL and all other Hawaii routes from the West Coast year round and that would free up a few AC for these other missions. Also, there is a daily JFK-BGI turnaround some months which is easily flown by a 757. When LHR is accessible from other US cities due to open skies next April, we will likely see a JFK and an ORD slot sacrificed so that DFW-LHR can start daily with the two 777s rotated into that market from JFK and ORD. I would not be surprised if that resulted in DFW-LGW being dropped altogether leaving those two AC (one 777 and a 763 depending on the time of year) available to deploy from JFK for these new missions -- hell, we might even see ORD-LGW and JFK-LGW start as a result -- in any case, there will likely be some moving around. Speculation, of course...

There have been persistent rumors of JFK-AMS for some time. JFK- FRA was always full and made money, however it was dropped when the AC were needed where the yields were higher. They have wanted to do MXP, BCN in the past.

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:07 pm

For all those wondering this is the one that is certified to be used on the 767(and I think the 757).

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The one the 400 uses is a 777 similarity. If there is no certification for retrofit, then it needs to have it to be able to fly on a commercial aircraft.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
I don't think the thread-starter made it too clear by saying that the 767s will be retrofitted with "glass" cockpits, since they came with glass cockpits straight from the factory, albeit not the newest and the latest in today's world of ever-updating technology.

The ones from the factory may only get the regular cockpit They don't get the new 400 cockpit. it has to be certified to fly with it on the 300s and 200s.

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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:55 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 29):

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I took this photo at ORD a while back (10/2006)

Fantastic!

cool..thanks a lot man...I have other photos if you want them (in larger size)

Quoting FXramper (Reply 29):

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 24):
Isn't AA in the process of retiring their 762's

No. AA and their frequent flyers are very happy with the 3 class service the 62s deliver trans-con.

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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 30):
Quoting FXramper (Reply 29):
No. AA and their frequent flyers are very happy with the 3 class service the 62s deliver trans-con.

What are the routes the 762s are used on?



Quoting Commavia (Reply 33):
AA flies them primarily on JFK-LAX (11x daily) and JFK-SFO (3x daily)

2x on Sunday... Wink

Quoting Commavia (Reply 35):
Quoting FXramper (Reply 34):
I was told we'd see rapid expansion to Europe and S. America with the 763W from JFK.

They have to find some, first. Without cutting routes somewhere else, there really isn't much 763 capacity to put on JFK-Europe runs, or any other runs for that matter. They could pull the two planes flying the 763 rotations JFK-SFO-JFK, but beyond that, they'd have to do some serious cutting in order to free up 763 capacity for new flying.

I think AA has enough "slack" in the system to start a few routes...
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:16 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Now if they could something about those 757 interiors...



Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 12):
fixing the 757's interior wont be bad either.

Amen, brothers!
I'm still convinced the real reason AA got rid of the ex-TWA 757s was because the interiors on those planes made the rest of AA's 757s look bad.

Still, bravo for adding the winglets. Aside from increasing efficiency, I think they give the planes a more modern look.
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:29 pm

Quoting TSS (Reply 41):
'm still convinced the real reason AA got rid of the ex-TWA 757s was because the interiors on those planes made the rest of AA's 757s look bad.

...interesting... scratchchin ....I actually preferred the interiours of the ex-TWA 757's.....I felt the seats were more comfortable.... yes 
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 5):
How and why? Now the 757/767 can't have the same crew.

A cockpit re-do won't affect the Type Certificate Data Sheet, so though they might need difference training, pilots will not need a new type rating to fly the type (if that was the case, current 767 drivers would also need a new type rating).

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9):
The cockpit that you have shown was the 767-400ER which has a different cockpit than the 767-200/300.

They're about to be the same on some of them (and on Airborne's 762s, they already are).
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 33):
AA flies them primarily on JFK-LAX (11x daily) and JFK-SFO (3x daily) plus they do a single rotation each on JFK-BDA and JFK-MIA with aircraft that arrive into JFK as redeyes in the morning but don't head out back west again until the afternoon or evening. So a grand total of 32 daily segments with 15 aircraft.

As a SAN-ophile, I can't let you forget that once a week (Sat. only), AA flies a 762 on the afternoon JFK-SAN flight.

As for the topic at hand, I've seen plenty of wingletted 75's... I'd love to see a wingletted 76. It's hard to visualize how it would look though... Anything like that on Modified Airliner Photos?
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42):
...interesting... ....I actually preferred the interiours of the ex-TWA 757's.....I felt the seats were more comfortable....

Read his text again... he was saying the exact same thing.
 
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:15 pm

I'd love to see a 767 with winglets. But I doubt would this be a right move to install winglets on their 762 and 763, especially if the news about AA ordering 787 to replace 767s is confirmed. Perhaps they are going to keep those planes for some years to come.

It's possible that UA, DL, CO would follow as they have numerous 767.
 
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:54 pm

Interesting and well done AA!!!

It seems weird that they are going to get the blended winglets when the 764 has raked winglets?? Maybe the designs are still up in the air about which one to put onto the 767s.

Also with the cockpit being upgraded, is there any chance that the 767s will then receive the new Electronic Flight Bags on them as well?? This would save up some weight as well!!
 
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:49 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 25):
SA)">AA parked about half of their remaining 762 fleet a few years back

Are any 762ERs in storage and, with SA)">AA investing $$$ in them, could we see more in the fleet?

FXramper, any word on upgrading the rear 763 cabin to the 777-style one going in front?

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):

PS. It seems any thread to do with SA)">AA fleet management always raises one question - Are the AB6 being replaced? No

The continued significant $$$ to upgrade the 767 fleet, with nothing for the AB6s, does raise the question. Could these birds be the replacement, as they get displaced in coming years by 787s? A smaller J cabin would add about 25 seats, still somewhat less than the AB6. I know they haul less freight, but I have a hard time seeing SA)">AA buying 787s for Carribean/SA flights while still flying 763s to Europe.
 
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RE: AA To Add Winglets To All 757 & 767.

Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 27):
Does AA use 757 and 767 pilots interchangeably?

Yes they do, my uncle flies out of BOS, sometimes he's on the 75 over to LAX, sometimes the 76...just a little bit of height difference is all he says about it.
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