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New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:41 am

This is great news, I would love it if they were to also expand the offering to their 757-300s and 737-700-800-900-900ERs.

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The airline is continuing to enhance BusinessFirst by adding new entertainment systems on its 777 and 757 fleets -- a total of 61 aircraft. Continental has just taken delivery of two new Boeing 777s equipped with new touch-screen video-on-demand systems that allow BusinessFirst customers to choose from more than 250 movies, 300 short-subject programs and 1,500 music tracks, with a jukebox feature to make individual playlists. In addition, this new entertainment system has 25 video games and the interactive Berlitz World Traveler foreign language program.

Continental also has completed the installation of a touch-screen video- on-demand system in the BusinessFirst cabin of its fleet of 41 757 aircraft, and this system will also begin to be installed throughout the economy cabin on this type of aircraft starting this summer.

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...apps/vendors/default.aspx?i=PRNEWS
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:43 am

Great news. Continental with no doubt offers the best service of any U.S. airline.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:33 am

I've used the 752 AVOD and it was pretty good, though the screens are small for a J product. And the widescreen display is silly when they still don't offer widescreen movies or tv shows.

I also wish they would keep the "radio stations" rather than move to an all "CD" style system, mainly because they don't have a lot of music options, they only have a few CDs, mostly new, and most new CDs are 1 song and 9 filler anyway, so you are stuck with a lot of crap.

I think the music channels on airlines have been well programmed over the years. AA, CO, PA, QF all had good stations in the past, where I heard stuff I never heard before and the order was chosen by someone with a sense of structure, and I'm sad to see those disappear for on demand access to mostly crap.

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
This is great news, I would love it if they were to also expand the offering to their 757-300s and 737-700-800-900-900ERs.

Well, I assume the entire 752 Y section will be upgraded, not just with AVOD but with improved seat cushions and new armrests.

The reason they are doing this is obvious. While domestically, AVOD or PTV systems have not become standard and don't seem to be a "make or break" service for customers who are buying on price, internationally, customers really do demand personal video in all classes.

LH is finally doing the same, and CO wants their whole fleet to be consistent. PTV at minimum, with AVOD on new planes and retrofitted on newer planes. That means the 752 first, since it lacks either. And 777s will be updated to AVOD as they go in for service. 787s will obviously come with the newest system. And one would assume the 764ER will get AVOD eventually, though the 762ER may be left out if they really are committed to getting rid of them.
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:12 am

Anyone know the 757-200 AVOD schedule? All we've heard is it begins in Q2. Will it be done in 2007 for all aircraft?
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I also wish they would keep the "radio stations" rather than move to an all "CD" style system, mainly because they don't have a lot of music options, they only have a few CDs, mostly new, and most new CDs are 1 song and 9 filler anyway, so you are stuck with a lot of crap.

I think the music channels on airlines have been well programmed over the years. AA, CO, PA, QF all had good stations in the past, where I heard stuff I never heard before and the order was chosen by someone with a sense of structure, and I'm sad to see those disappear for on demand access to mostly crap

I totally agree, I can't count how many cool new tunes,sounds, and groups I discovered on the long haul from EWR to NRT! I will really miss channel 13 on CO!
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:47 am

752's should also receive new economy seats as I currently believe there are three different economy seat types spread throughout the fleet. Hopefully Continental extends AVOD IFE throughout their economoy cabins, with 737-800's possibly next in line?
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting Spyderz (Reply 5):
752's should also receive new economy seats as I currently believe there are three different economy seat types spread throughout the fleet. Hopefully Continental extends AVOD IFE throughout their economoy cabins, with 737-800's possibly next in line?

4, I think. There are the Y seats on the 737's, the Y seats on the 767/777s, and then the 753 and 752 each have their own seat. The 753 has a thicker cushion and seat bottom that slides forwards when you recline the backrest (very nice) and the 752 has...well...rocks in it. It's paper thin and easily the worst seat in the narrowbody fleet, if you ask me. The fact that the 752 flies the longest sectors makes it more of a problem than ever too. They desperately need new seats in Y for the 752.
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:25 pm

This really is great news considering all of the long TATL flights for the 752s. I usually watch videos on my iPod, but really enjoyed using the AVOD system in BF last year. Great selection of music and movies.

I really really hope that this means CO is installing new seats in 752 coach, which in my opinion are well overdue for new padding.
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I've used the 752 AVOD and it was pretty good,

Does it cost anything?
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:01 pm

The AVOD I found on the B752 Business First was certainly not user friendly at first! Then once I figured it out the touch screen wasn't working well at all, had to be very very gentle where you touched it or you would end up with another screen display. The second flight with the AVOD was much better so it may have simply been that seat. Actually loved the system as I figured it out, great sound and movies.

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Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:25 pm

AVOD is free in Business First, and will be free in Y as are PTVs. I think internationally they give you free headphones, but domestic you have to pay $5 for them if you don't have leftovers or your own.

I always carry a 2 prong adapter for my headphones, as I don't like listening to stuff in only one ear.

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 7):
I really really hope that this means CO is installing new seats in 752 coach, which in my opinion are well overdue for new padding.

Well, they don't need to install all new seats.

The frames are fine, and the mechanisms generally work (though obviously they will overhaul any broken ones).

But the armrest will need to be replaced and the cushions and tray tables to accommodate the new system. And under the seat, they will need to redo the IFE boxes.

The seats will seem new, most likely.

Now, maybe they will put in the "slide forward" seat bottoms on the 752s that don't have them, and that would require replacing the whole mechanism.
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:37 pm

WOW oh WOW!!! CO is truly the best airline we have on this side of the world. The boys in Houston really know how to do up their planes!!! Does this mean that Economy class in the 777's and 767's will also have AVOD? I tell you what, I dont see any reason to fly anyone else at this point!!!!
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:19 pm

I've flown on a couple CO 757-200s in the last two years that had the slide forward seat bottoms in coach, so some of the 757-200s have the better seats.
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 6):
4, I think. There are the Y seats on the 737's, the Y seats on the 767/777s, and then the 753 and 752 each have their own seat. The 753 has a thicker cushion and seat bottom that slides forwards when you recline the backrest (very nice) and the 752 has...well...rocks in it. It's paper thin and easily the worst seat in the narrowbody fleet, if you ask me. The fact that the 752 flies the longest sectors makes it more of a problem than ever too. They desperately need new seats in Y for the 752.

I was actually referring to the fact that the 757-200 fleet has three different seat types. As STT757 mentioned, a few have the bottom sliding seating. After the addition of AVOD, the 757 fleet should be standardized.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I think the music channels on airlines have been well programmed over the years. AA, CO, PA, QF all had good stations in the past, where I heard stuff I never heard before and the order was chosen by someone with a sense of structure, and I'm sad to see those disappear for on demand access to mostly crap.

Channel 3 on AA (33 1/3) is really good most of the time. Some months are better than others.

Are there any pics of the AVOD on the CO 752s? I'm interested in seeing how large the screens actually are.
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:51 am

I've used the AVOD on the 752 twice. The first time it was rather confusing and non-responsive, the second time it seemed to work better. The audio selection of CDs is not as good as the "old" theme channels (no Hollywood Boys on the AVOD, for instance). Nonetheless, they can't put the AVODs in the 777s fast enough. IMHO, CO lost its long-haul competitive edge to NW's A330s when the latter came on-line with AVOD.
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:01 am

735's also have different seats than 738's. No headrests on the 735's that i've been on.
 
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:35 am

Will the extra weight of the video systems affect the range of the B752? It is really pushing it on EWR-TXL, ARN, HAM, etc. Will this affect the range?
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting Thepilot (Reply 17):
Will the extra weight of the video systems affect the range of the B752? It is really pushing it on EWR-TXL, ARN, HAM, etc. Will this affect the range?

I highly doubt it will weigh much more, if anything.

The current overhead LCDs aren't light, involved motors for actuation, and then there are still boxes under each row of 3 seats for the IFE. Those boxes will be replaced with the new IFE, which is likely lighter. The overhead screens should be removed and filled with a dummy cover, and the seatback screens aren't going to be too heavy. The bulkhead screens already exist, so they will just be redone (larger) but the enclosure will likely be a net zero in weight difference.
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:21 am

I have booked flights DUB-EWR for the end of November, does anyone know if my flight will have the new IFE and seats?
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:42 am

Since we have 41 of them (752s) and they start this summer/fall, it may take a bit for them all to be done.

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Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:01 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 20):
I fly the 752 mostly, love the plane, and can't wait for it. Everyone benefits from it.

I've notice (as a passenger) that with PTVs and AVOD, the cabin crew gets less of a workout. People are more sedated, there isn't the big line at the lavs after the movie, etc.

Do you see this in your work?
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:38 am

Hopefully my trip to Lisbon will be more enjoying now...

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Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 14):
Are there any pics of the AVOD on the CO 752s? I'm interested in seeing how large the screens actually are.

Here is a video I took of AVOD on CO 757-200.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQHFcarAeG4

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Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):
Do you see this in your work?

All too much. While I have no problem moving the carts for people when we are in the aisle (when we are in the aisle), I like it when people have a little more control over their experience onboard. Like what film they watch, when they watch etc..

Our job stays the same and service done at the same times, with AVOD customers can watch, do and see on their time as opposed to how it is programmed now and take breaks without missing a beat. At least on the 757 it will be heaven. For all.

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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:37 am

The 752 upgrade, I would imagine, would need to have the upgraded 753 seats. The existing 752 seat cannot (I believe) support AVOD. The issue with CO is seat pitch, which is horrid in Economy on the 752, especially overwater.

As to why CO is doing the upgrade...yes, it makes sense to want their international fleet to have a common product; however, DL is installing AVOD on its 752s both domestic and international in both cabins with a 32" seat pitch. CO has to step up to be competitive, since AA and DL both will be operating 757s to Europe ex JFK. Frankly, with CO ex EWR and DL ex JFK, SkyTeam is in a pretty good competitive position from the New York area, especially if they have a common product (on the 757).

EWRCabincrew, a couple of questions: a) will CO reduce the number of seats in Y class and increase pitch or with the AVOD, a new generation seat that will make it seem like 32"? b) From an economic perspective (an an ex airline manager) I would think that going down six seats in the back with a lighter weight seat (even with the AVOD) would extend the range just enough to make the continent (ZRH, FRA, MUC)? Is this a consideration as well?

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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:51 am

Hey everyone. I recently had the chance to work the new 777. Ship 019. On my trip we had the Panasonic guys with us to check out how the new system was working. We chatted a bit and they gave me some interesting information. They told me that the 757's would start to get refitted with new seat and the new AVOD starting in June. They said the seats were pretty much the same as the new 777. That means coach will have the very large 9in screens. I asked how they would put a large screen in coach seats and have a small one in the BizFirst cabin. He said that most likely the BizFirst screens on the 757's would be changed out for larger ones. The seats on the new 777's are nice. and the screens are huge. You can actually see wide-screen movies on them no problem. I can't wait to have this put on the 757's. This is going to be great for everyone.
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 25):
just enough to make the continent (ZRH, FRA, MUC)?

ZRH and FRA are already within 752 range, though it would be a great option if they could get to VCE, MUC, PSA and the like.
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 25):
The 752 upgrade, I would imagine, would need to have the upgraded 753 seats. The existing 752 seat cannot (I believe) support AVOD. The issue with CO is seat pitch, which is horrid in Economy on the 752, especially overwater.

It doesn't really matter what type of seat CO installs. AVOD still robs legroom under the seat in front. I prefer window seats but many airlines put the AVOD boxes under those seats, I hope CO doesn't do the same or finds a slimmer, smaller system. The boxes on NW are the size of bricks.
 
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting Cal (Reply 26):
Now if we could only get one more lav on the 757... I know im dreaming.

 rotfl 

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 25):
a) will CO reduce the number of seats in Y class and increase pitch or with the AVOD, a new generation seat that will make it seem like 32"?

No, I don't see CO doing that as that would take away from the bottom line (read: income).

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 25):
b) From an economic perspective (an an ex airline manager) I would think that going down six seats in the back with a lighter weight seat (even with the AVOD) would extend the range just enough to make the continent (ZRH, FRA, MUC)? Is this a consideration as well?

Good question. Unfortunately no answer for you. The 752s we have go a great distance (TXL, ARN, BCN, for example). CO took out a huge video component/auxillary galley unit and an overhead of video equipment when they retrofitted them with the new AVOD for B/F. The only additional weight, with the Y/C AVOD, will be the units in the seats and the wiring. Shouldn't add too much weight in the big spectrum of things. But then, I am not in load planning either.

I just see a lot of people pleasantly happy with the system. Our 752s are the backbone of our European flying. They needed to do this to stay in the game. Now, if they could put in lie-flat seats in B/F.
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Cal (Reply 26):
Now if we could only get one more lav on the 757... I know im dreaming... Take care all.

I wonder if AVOD will make that extra lav less important. Less traffic at any one time, more entertainment options meaning people won't get up as much. VOD is quite a sedative...  Wink

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 29):
No, I don't see CO doing that as that would take away from the bottom line (read: income).

They have 31" on the 777, so why would they put 32" on the 752? It is what it is.  Sad
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:16 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
I wonder if AVOD will make that extra lav less important. Less traffic at any one time, more entertainment options meaning people won't get up as much. VOD is quite a sedative...

It will certainly make it feel like there are more lavs...the only "rushes" based on operations will be after meal trays are collected, essentially...no more "movie's over, gotta pee!" stuff.

I'm not sure how they could put the 777 seats into the 752 though...they'd have to be modified in at least SOME fashion. The 777 seats are 17.9" versus 17.2" in the 757. I don't think there are 5 inches to spare off the aisle without things getting severely cramped...

I'm also a bit at a loss as to how they're going to get more comfortable seats in there without decreasing pitch or losing at least one row of Y. I've had tea wafers thicker than those things.  crowded 
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 31):
I'm not sure how they could put the 777 seats into the 752 though..

Well, they'd have to install a 17.2 or 17.3" version, which I'm willing to bet is available...
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:36 pm

I haven't seen any engineering documents yet. When I do I'll post again with more details.

The installations will be done here in MCO.

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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:17 am

MX757,

I flew through MCO last Saturday, while waiting for my CO flight back to EWR I could see a CO 757-200 along with the other 737s parked at one of CO's maintenance hangars across from Airside One. I know that MCO is for heavy maintenance of CO's 737s, they also do interiors at MCO right?

Was that 757-200 I saw getting work done on it's interior, anything new (AVOD etc) or just routine work. Also the inerior work done at MCO, what aircraft get interiors done at MCO. Widebodies? 757-200s, 757-300s?

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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:43 pm

STT757,

The 752 you saw was ship 134. The A/C was in the north hangar for a thrust cable inspection. It is a scheduled inspection performed periodically to check the engine thrust cables for wear and damage. After the inspection is complete the cables are then lubed. This inspection is done on an RON check. We take the A/C over to the hangar because we have open the forward cargo compartment ceiling panels, wing leading edge panels, and the nose wheel well pressure panels to gain access to the thrust cables.

The 2 738s you saw were ships 279 and 280.

Ship 279 was having another row of first class seats installed. So to answer your question about if we do interior work here is "yes". We also do interior mods on the 757-2/3 fleet but widebody work is usually done by an outside vendor.

Ship 280 was also having another row first class seats installed. This A/C was also in for a pilot project. It was the first 737NG to have in-seat power installed. From first class to the exit rows now have power ports installed.

We also have 2 A/C in the south hangar. Ships 204, (738), and 866, (753). Both A/C are going through "C" checks.

I work at the terminal now so let me know the next time you are coming through MCO. If I get the chance maybe I'll come up and say hello.
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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting MX757 (Reply 35):
I work at the terminal now so let me know the next time you are coming through MCO. If I get the chance maybe I'll come up and say hello

That would be cool.

BTW...

I saw mentioned somewhere on here that the former ATA 757-300s are going in to have their seats replaced, is this true? The 757-300 I flew down from EWR and our return flight were both ex ATA 757-300s, I flew in First and noticed the First Class seats on both flights made a heck of a racket when reclining. Kind of like a cranking or grinding noise, they also did not recline back up on their own. You had to pull them back up.

They were

CO 37 was Ship 864/N57864
CO 293 Ship 867/N77867


Is this going to be fixed?

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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 36):
I saw mentioned somewhere on here that the former ATA 757-300s are going in to have their seats replaced, is this true? The 757-300 I flew down from EWR and our return flight were both ex ATA 757-300s, I flew in First and noticed the First Class seats on both flights made a heck of a racket when reclining. Kind of like a cranking or grinding noise, they also did not recline back up on their own. You had to pull them back up.

They were

CO 37 was Ship 864/N57864
CO 293 Ship 867/N77867

Is this going to be fixed?

Thanks.

The ATA 753s will have their coach seats replaced when they go into C check. Ship 861 just came out of check with new seat.

The first class seats in these A/C are still relatively new so they are not being changed. If that happens again tell the FA and she or he will put it in the cabin log.

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RE: New Avod For Y Class On CO 757-200s

Tue May 01, 2007 6:13 am

I was on a 752 today in BF , and the AVOD did not work.
The EWR maintenance guys on the ground were saying they have problems all the time with this new system
and were not able to solve the problem.
I have used it before and it works pretty well

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