Ansett767
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Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:41 pm

Hi all,

I haven't bothered ot check past posts as I am not sure if this is a new rule or not...

But I heard a message on my incoming flight to SFO from Germany stating something about not being allowed any liquids in your hand baggage on transferring flights...

So, my question is this.

I am in SFO now... and im going to be checking in at the INTL terminal, am I allowed Liquids in my hand baggage or should I check them?

Also, if so, is it in 100ml containers to a max of 1L like in Europe?

Thanks in advance!
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:47 pm

3.4 oz or smaller containers that fit into 1 quart size zip-top bag are allowed in carry-on luggage.

I believe 3.4 oz is pretty close to 100mL. You can always go to www.tsa.gov if you want more specific info...
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting Ansett767 (Thread starter):
Also, if so, is it in 100ml containers to a max of 1L like in Europe?

Yes, basically. However, from a practical point of view, as long as it fits in the baggie, you can **probably** get away with anything up to about 250 mL.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:14 pm

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BrettFromCLT
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:16 pm

From tsa.gov:

3-1-1 for carry-ons = 3 ounce bottle or less; 1 quart-sized, clear, plastic, zip-top bag; 1 bag per passenger placed in screening bin. One-quart bag per person limits the total liquid volume each traveler can bring. 3 oz. container size is a security measure.
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:28 pm

Really wish they would do away with this rule...
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:08 pm

i love how the enforce this rule, but now let anyone bring an open liquid bottle they buy past security onto a plane. At least when i was in LHR a month ago they made me drink my open container to make sure it was not some kind of substance but when i have flown out of US airports i haven't been the least bit questioned. I would assume it is possible for someone to bring the substances needed for an explosive, buy a liquid container past security and then mix it somewhere in the airport such as a bathroom.

yea i am probably going a little too far with this one. I would just rather see them enforce it completely or not at all.
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:34 pm

Funny thing is flight crews are exempt from the 3-1-1 rule. A rule is a rule!

I get into it with the TSA sometimes. I travel a lot, and know the rules. Two funny examples:

Shoes

Here at GRR I was preparing to pass through the security screening checkpoint, and the gentleman in front of me (a TSA employee) passed through the metal detector with his shoes on - therefore I decided to attempt to pass with shoes on (knowing they'd say something) - he said I must remove my shoes. I said the person in front of me was not subject to the same rule. I was told that he is not going on a plane. I then said a rule is a rule and we are talking about a secure area. I then took off my shoes gave him a nasty look and went on.

Computer

Leaving from DFW once, I had taken my laptop out of my bag many steps behind the belt to feed the X-Ray machine and had my laptop and bag in one hand, and my shoes in my other hand. As I approached the X-Ray machine I was asked if I had a laptop in the bag. I said "No." I was then asked, "What is that?" I then replied, "It is a laptop in my hand." (not in my bag). I got a complimentary upgrade to secondary security screening that day.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 7):
I got a complimentary upgrade to secondary security screening that day.

I love being upgraded  Wink
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 7):
Funny thing is flight crews are exempt from the 3-1-1 rule. A rule is a rule!

It's not really funny at all.
a) we go through extensive background checks unlike the general traveling public
b) we don't check bags the airlines don't let us because in the course of a day we may have several short aircraft swaps. They realized really quickly this wouldn't work for crews you can't toss all the crewmembers toiletries/makeup when they are working every time they go through security.

B4Real u must really enjoy the pat down. It's pointless to be sarcastic and hostile. Don't get me wrong I have no problem reminding an agent what TSA regulations are if they start exceeding the bounds of their authority. I've spoken to the checkpoint supervisors several times when there were issues. I just do it in a way that is calm, intelligent and rational.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
It's not really funny at all.
a) we go through extensive background checks unlike the general traveling public
b) we don't check bags the airlines don't let us because in the course of a day we may have several short aircraft swaps. They realized really quickly this wouldn't work for crews you can't toss all the crewmembers toiletries/makeup when they are working every time they go through security.

Allie: First of all hello. Second of all, I did not know about the background check in the case of flight crews. So, in that regard, I guess some understanding is due. Thirdly, I don't ever really intend to be sarcastic, it just happens sometimes.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:37 am

The gestapo will probably get me for this posting, but here goes. I was compliant, everything loaded in the single bag as I was supposed to do. Somehow, I got distracted pulling off my jacket, getting out of my shoes, being redirected toward another line, and the 1 quart ziplock remained in the zip compartment of my carryon. It went through X-ray concealed in my suitcase. I was never stopped, and didn't realize what had happened until I got to my destination. Great rule, and fabulous security on the TSA's part. So far by my count, it is Terrorists 2, TSA 0. But as someone said, a rule is a rule, no matter how worthless it may be in real life.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
we don't check bags the airlines don't let us because in the course of a day we may have several short aircraft swaps. They realized really quickly this wouldn't work for crews you can't toss all the crewmembers toiletries/makeup when they are working every time they go through security.

I often travel for work and have to do many short aircraft swaps between terminals to get into my final destinations. I have had extensive background checks by many govt´s, organizations and my own company. Yet I am still subject to the same rules. I understand why these rules were implemented and do not see how they protect me, more inconvienence me.

I didn´t have a 3 qt bag (since I hadn´t a clue what a quart was, and metric is the standard in Canada) I put it in the only ziploc bag I had. I had 3 items in the bag and I was told that my bag was too big. The three items added up to approximately 110ml total and took about 10% of the bag space. Why complain about the bag size when the contents are what matters? Besides, we're not talking a big difference... maybe 25% bigger than what the TSA person showed me as the proper size.

All I am trying to say is understand WHY you are doing something and enforce the rules. Do not get so hung up on the technical aspects. Why can I not be subject to the same security check and be granted excempt from these rules as well...
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 11):
The gestapo will probably get me for this posting, but here goes. I was compliant, everything loaded in the single bag as I was supposed to do. Somehow, I got distracted pulling off my jacket, getting out of my shoes, being redirected toward another line, and the 1 quart ziplock remained in the zip compartment of my carryon. It went through X-ray concealed in my suitcase. I was never stopped, and didn't realize what had happened until I got to my destination. Great rule, and fabulous security on the TSA's part. So far by my count, it is Terrorists 2, TSA 0. But as someone said, a rule is a rule, no matter how worthless it may be in real life.

Where are the bottles plastic? X-ray machines don't pick them up, funny eh. I can't tell you how many times I have passed through security with bottles of liquid in my bags, never to be noticed.

TSA is a reactive poorly run farce, but what else do you expect from the government.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:20 pm

It truly depends on how much TSA is paying attention, or how much the person actually cares. I've brought through 6 oz. tubes of toothpaste with absolutely no objection. I even accidentally left a full size water bottle in my bag, and realized I had it when I got on the plane.

To be safe, I wouldn't bring any bottled liquids, and pretty much any small tubes of toothpaste, creams, etc. are fine.
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 1):
3.4 oz or smaller containers that fit into 1 quart size zip-top bag are allowed in carry-on luggage.

I believe 3.4 oz is pretty close to 100mL. You can always go to www.tsa.gov if you want more specific

On his trip out, he may take what the TSA allows, but at his connecting point within Europe, their more restrictive rules apply. His return trip from Europe willl be under European Union rules and will allow no liquids in his carry-on.

AA is trying to inform passengers boarding for Heatherow where we feed a lot of BA connecting flights that they won't be able to take thier liquids on board their BA flights and to jujst pack it in their checked baggage at the point of origin of the trip.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting Manu (Reply 12):
I often travel for work and have to do many short aircraft swaps between terminals to get into my final destinations.

Yes, but your checked baggage is no doubt checked to your final destination. Flight crew, however, don't have this 'luxury'. Unless we're just doing one sector (internationally), it's basically impossible to have crew bags checked onto every flight done in one day, especially if it's just a return between to cities.

I understand your frustration; but I hope you appreciate that aircrew have different needs to the travelling public and thus exemptions should be granted.
Having said all that, Australia does NOT give exemptions to aircrew, it's a right pain in the #@@!!
 
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 13):
Where are the bottles plastic? X-ray machines don't pick them up

Most were, BUT, I had a small can (ie metal) of shaving cream available for inspection. They never saw anything amiss. I'm not probing for vulnerabilities in the system, I'm only trying to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. But without even trying, I found one.
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 7):
Funny thing is flight crews are exempt from the 3-1-1 rule. A rule is a rule!

um right....considering we LIVE out of our suitcases, how would that work? It is one of the perks that comes with the job...that and skipping to the front of the security line.  Wink
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RE: Liquids In The US Now In Hand Baggage?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 15):
On his trip out, he may take what the TSA allows, but at his connecting point within Europe, their more restrictive rules apply. His return trip from Europe will be under European Union rules and will allow no liquids in his carry-on.

Same frustrations in Asia. NRT and HKG now allow the 100ml in 1 litre bag, but MNL allows none. Buy duty free scotch in SEA. Pick it up at the gate in a sealed bag with receipt attached. Go to change planes in NRT, not allowed on board.
I can no longer buy the wife any duty free cosmetics on the way back home, cannot bring on board.
On a flight from HKG-MNL, where I was staying in Manila for a couple of days, I was able to pick up a few duty free items. The sales lady asked me three times, to make sure I was not changing planes in MNL, as they would not let me take it on an outbound flight.
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