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Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:46 am

Hey A.Netter's...

Just had a search on the Boeing site and noticed ANA is taking delivery of NEW B763ER's...? Why is ANA taking delivery of the B763ER type when they have placed a large order for the B787 which is entering service in 2008...?

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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:55 am

Because they may need something smaller - the 763ER is about 20% smaller from a cabin floor area aspect.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:59 am

arent they just freighters?
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:10 pm

NH has taken delivered of all 763ER & 763ERFs.
The last 763ER was delivered last month.
Future 763Fs will come from conversion of its existing 763ERs, which the first one should start the conversion process in the fall. Not sure if the newer models are older models are involved.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Because they may need something smaller - the 763ER is about 20% smaller from a cabin floor area aspect.

Yes, the floor space of the 787-8 is 20% bigger than the floor space of the 767-300ER. However, with standard 2-4-2 seating on the 787, and an equivalent F/C/Y distribution, the 787-8 seats roughly the same as the 767-300ER.
The whole point of the 787 is to offer more space per passenger.

ANA (and JAL) are taking delivery of new 767-300ERs because:
-they are cheap
-they get them delivered over a year earlier
-they can convert them to freighters once they no longer need them as passenger planes.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:19 pm

To add to Kaitak744's list:

-they have the type already
-their crews can fly them
-they need capacity now
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:35 pm

Add to the list:
Allows the 767-line to stay open; hence continued Japanese work involvement.

Anybody know if the USAF KC-767 deal goes through, what it will mean to the foreign supplied parts?
Will the Japanese-made fuselage parts instead be made in the US and I believe the Italians also have a good chunk for work too.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6):
Anybody know if the USAF KC-767 deal goes through, what it will mean to the foreign supplied parts? Will the Japanese-made fuselage parts instead be made in the US and I believe the Italians also have a good chunk for work too.

I imagine all foreign suppliers will continue to be used. There may be some changes on the 767 production line, itself, to conform to ITAR, but that depends on how much of the military-specific conversion work is done at PAE vs. Wichita.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:06 am

Guys,

Got a question little bit off topic. What determines when it is time to convert a passenger to a freighter?

Thank X.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Gihanjay (Reply 8):
Got a question little bit off topic. What determines when it is time to convert a passenger to a freighter?

When it makes more money carrying freight then people.  Smile
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:36 am

The good'ole 767 just refuses to die, even Lan Chile is buying more as freighters as did UPS when they cancelled their A380F order. Now the Pentagon is buying tankers, Boeing will be making 787 and 767 together for a few years.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:30 am

Doesn't this also have to do w/ the fact that ANA is trying to get rid of their remaining 747's? I remember a topic about ANA trying to get rid of their 747's. There was something in there that said that ANA is going for more frequency rather than capacity.

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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 11):
Doesn't this also have to do w/ the fact that ANA is trying to get rid of their remaining 747's

That job belongs to the 773ER.
The 763ERs are being primarily used to increase lift in the Japan-China market.
NH is also taking delivery of some A320s to allow some Japan-China routes that aren't daily to be operated daily. The displaced 763ERs are being used throughout the system including filling in on domestic routes too.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:25 pm

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 11):
ANA trying to get rid of their 747's.

ANA is getting rid of the B744... The B773 is filling in its shoes... I personally just found it strange with B787 not far from role out airlines are still ordering B767...good to see such a beauty receiving large orders...

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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
However, with standard 2-4-2 seating on the 787, and an equivalent F/C/Y distribution, the 787-8 seats roughly the same as the 767-300ER. The whole point of the 787 is to offer more space per passenger.

If not mistaken, haven't most 787 customers chosen the 9-abreast option for their 787s? My guess is that very few 787s will operate with 8-abreast Y class seating.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If not mistaken, haven't most 787 customers chosen the 9-abreast option for their 787s? My guess is that very few 787s will operate with 8-abreast Y class seating.


I wouldn't be surprised if some airlines have 9 abreast in regular economy and 8 abreast in premium economy. There is a huge gap between the amenities of economy and business class on long haul flights. There's probably a significant market for people willing to pay a premium over economy fares for a little more space and comfort but not willing or able to pay for business of first class.

 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If not mistaken, haven't most 787 customers chosen the 9-abreast option for their 787s? My guess is that very few 787s will operate with 8-abreast Y class seating.

No. People (and Airbus) are forgetting the point of the 787. It is to replace 767s, A300s, A310s, 757-300s, and A330-200s. Airlines will have seating accordingly. A few airlines, Jet Star for example (a low cost subsidiary of Qantas), will have 3-3-3 seating to cater to low yielding markets. Emirates will also be another with 3-3-3 seating. Some intra-Asian flights might also be with 3-3-3. I almost guarantee ALL long haul and medium haul flights will be in 2-4-2.
 
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RE: Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
role out

Correction ROLL out...  blush 

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