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Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:43 pm

All,

I remember reading earlier this year in the LA Times that Qantas was about to reduce its frequencies to LAX starting in March 07. I'm not sure if that happened, but yesterday looking out of my balcony I found this:

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A rare view! 5 Qantas 744s at LAX--at the same time!


That's FIVE Qantas 744s at LAX...at the same time, as the pic caption points out. A logical explanation would be that one scheduled flight broke down, but this is not the first time I've seen these many Qantas planes on the ground here at LAX...did they rethink their strategy, or is the reduction in frequency coming later in the year?

Thanks for any info!

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:57 pm

IIRC they are just going to operate one of the SYD-LAX flights, SYD-SFO an extra two days a week. Giving SFO five days service (QF73/74). Im unsure which flight is was but thinking QF149/8 the afternoon departure one that operates only 4 days a week into LAX. If it is that flight is QF149 still going to fly to LAX 2 days a week ?

QF107/108 is about to become daily to JFK also.

Quoting Charles79 (Thread starter):
yesterday looking out of my balcony I found this

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:10 pm

Qantas reducing at LAX? This is the first I have heard.

From their website: "3 additional flights weekly - between Sydney and Los Angeles from 19 June to 28 July 2007."
Looks like they are more likely to increase than decrease.


::Current Schedule::
S=Sydney. M=Melbourne. B=Brisbane. A=Auckland.

Arrivals:
Mon. --S S M B A
Tues. -S S M A
Wed. -S S M B A
Thurs. S S S M A
Fri. ----S S S M B A
Sat. ---S S M B A
Sun. --S S M B A

On Mon., Wed., Fri., Sat., and Sun., QF107 from SYD goes to JFK.

So, on all days, one will see 4 QF 747s at the hangars. On Thursdays and Fridays, one can see 5 747s at the hangars

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:11 pm

I was at LAX the other day, and there were definitley three Sydney flights leaving that night from the AA terminal while I was waiting for my redeye to O'Hare. There are two daily flights, and a third frequency on ThFrSa. Auckland is daily, Melbourne is 6x weekly (xSa), and Brisbane is 5x weekly (xTuTh). I believe April is a slow travel period, too, so they have a reduced schedule.

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:16 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
So, on all days, one will see 4 QF 747s at the hangars. On Thursdays and Fridays, one can see 5 747s at the hangars

QF B743 will be heading to LAX as well in June New Zealand Aviation Thread #3 (by 777ER Mar 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)
go to replies 97-101

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2007/jan07/3521
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:32 pm

Whilst the extra 3 weekly flights between SYD-LAX are operating between 19JUN and 28JUL using 744's. some of the AKL-LAX flights over that period will be ops by 743's, to cover the increase in flying. These 743 flights will be operated on MON/WED/SAT

The increase in SFO services by 2 weekly flights eff 28MAR (I think) was at the expense of 2 x weekly services to LAX (flight numbers QF149 and QF8)

Hope that clears things up a bit

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I was at LAX the other day, and there were definitley three Sydney flights leaving that night from the AA terminal while I was waiting for my redeye to O'Hare. There are two daily flights, and a third frequency on ThFrSa. Auckland is daily, Melbourne is 6x weekly (xSa), and Brisbane is 5x weekly (xTuTh). I believe April is a slow travel period, too, so they have a reduced schedule.

MEL-LAX QF93 and QF94 is a daily operated service
MEL-AKL-LAX QF 25/26 is also a daily operated service

On FRIDAY nights in LAX there are three SYD-LAX services departing at 2230 2350 and 2355, so must have been last Friday
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 5):

MEL-LAX QF93 and QF94 is a daily operated service

I stand correct, though for whatever reason, QF94 LAX-MEL will be having a stop in Sydney this coming Saturday.

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 5):
On FRIDAY nights in LAX there are three SYD-LAX services departing at 2230 2350 and 2355, so must have been last Friday

Yup. I was surprised because one of the planes just turned right around very quickly and back to SYD!
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:44 pm

You guys "down there" get enough QF planes..its about time we get some extra QF metal coming to the Bay Area.. bigthumbsup 


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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:02 pm

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 5):
some of the AKL-LAX flights over that period will be ops by 743's

There are going to be some ticked off Business-class customers in Dreamtime seats instead of the usual Skybeds...


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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 5):
On FRIDAY nights in LAX there are three SYD-LAX services departing at 2230 2350 and 2355, so must have been last Friday


Yup. I was surprised because one of the planes just turned right around very quickly and back to SYD!

Must have been QF108 from JFK coming in, Ive taken that flight twice before and it's been late leaving JFK, however both times its been because of shocking weather in NYC at the time.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 5):
AKL-LAX flights over that period will be ops by 743's, to cover the increase in flying. These 743 flights will be operated on MON/WED/SAT

sux for those pax! Has got to be one of the highest intl capacity configured aircraft in the world.
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:59 pm

surely more flights will be moved from LAX to SFO, as LAX is such a bloody awful airport to change aircraft/terminals at !!!
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:28 pm

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 11):
surely more flights will be moved from LAX to SFO, as LAX is such a bloody awful airport to change aircraft/terminals at !!!

Maybe at TBIT, but when I arrived on NZ2 last year in terminal 2 and transferred to a UA red-eye to DTW via ORD, I found it an easy excercise, and I was wondering what all the fuss was about. I found the baggage transfer easy, and didn't have any problems there, and I also found changing onto UA easy, and didn't have any probs there also. I've spoken to a few others people I know who have flowen on NZ into LAX and changed on UA flights, and they all found the experience a nice experience, so maybe its just the QF flights arriving into TBIT thats causing the probs
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 11):
surely more flights will be moved from LAX to SFO, as LAX is such a bloody awful airport to change aircraft/terminals at !!!

Flights were "move" to SFO due to aircraft shortage because of the late A380 deliveries. LAX is still the largest O&D market in North America so presumabley thay will be back next year (baring some other happening)

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:32 pm

Qantas? I'm WAY more interested in hearing more about your house with an amazing view!
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 8):
There are going to be some ticked off Business-class customers in Dreamtime seats instead of the usual Skybeds...

If I'm not mistaken, the 743s are now configured with AVOD PTVs in Economy and Skybeds in Business.. Correct me if I'm wrong though! Qantas still has some mileage on those aircraft
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 15):
If I'm not mistaken, the 743s are now configured with AVOD PTVs in Economy and Skybeds in Business.. Correct me if I'm wrong though! Qantas still has some mileage on those aircraft

Unfortunately, the 747-300s do not feature AVOD or Skybed. IFE is loop-based and there is Dreamtime seating in Business. The 743s do however feature the LED mood lighting system found on the 744s.

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:47 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 16):
Unfortunately, the 747-300s do not feature AVOD or Skybed. IFE is loop-based and there is Dreamtime seating in Business. The 743s do however feature the LED mood lighting system found on the 744s.

Aah okay! thanks.  Wink
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 15):
If I'm not mistaken, the 743s are now configured with AVOD PTVs in Economy and Skybeds in Business.. Correct me if I'm wrong though! Qantas still has some mileage on those aircraft



Quoting QF175 (Reply 16):
Unfortunately, the 747-300s do not feature AVOD or Skybed. IFE is loop-based and there is Dreamtime seating in Business. The 743s do however feature the LED mood lighting system found on the 744s.

 checkmark  Is an improvement over the old big screen on the bulkhead of course!
They definantly don't have skybed! The old seats aren't actually that bad comparitively however as the skybeds aren't the best business seat on the market. Still love the room and the service  Smile
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting QF108 (Reply 1):
If that really is your balcony you have it made, what a view !!

It is a great view, but the funny part is that I pay LESS rent than most other people in the bldg cause I chose the "airport view". Only issue is noise, but with doors shut the room is surprisingly quiet.

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 5):
The increase in SFO services by 2 weekly flights eff 28MAR (I think) was at the expense of 2 x weekly services to LAX (flight numbers QF149 and QF8)

Thanks for this and all the other posts! The story in the LA Times did mention the flts moving to SFO, but they made a big stink about how LAX was going to lose pax volume dramatically. I guess the expanded summer schedule was not out yet. Now I'll keep my eyes open to spot those B743's!

Quoting Airplanenut (Reply 14):
Qantas? I'm WAY more interested in hearing more about your house with an amazing view!

Again, I lucked out that most ppl here don't like these apts because of their proximity to the airport. We are so close in fact that I usually walk to the terminal to catch flights. So far I have caught flights on Virgin, KLM, Delta, and United w/o having to pay for a cab.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:54 am

how much traffic is there daily to australia? i didnt know it was so much to require that many aircraft on station at LAX?? is the aussie community big in LA??
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting Caliatenza (Reply 20):
how much traffic is there daily to australia? i didnt know it was so much to require that many aircraft on station at LAX?? is the aussie community big in LA??

LAX is a "Mini-Hub" if you will for Qantas. Based upon the miles that it has to fly, it actually makes sense. Now that San Francisco has inproved it's operations(both removal of traffic and I think better ground radar(please correct), Qantas has the opportunity to move north. I do, however, believe that Qantas will maintain their maintenance base at LAX.

Does anyone know what kind of checks are required after a 14 hour flight. I have flown Qantas from New York to Sydney(via LAX of course). The plane has 2 to 3 hours on the ground at JFK, perhaps 1-hour in LA and then onto Sydney. When do they get to check the plane out?
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:17 am

Qantas is the 2nd largest foreign carrier at LAX (Mexicana #1).

The LA metro area with its 16 million plus people along economic might serves as the countries largest passenger and cargo market from the Asia Pacific region by a large margin.

All South Pacific carriers (Qantas, Air New Zealand, Air Tahiti Nui, Air Pacific) have made LAX their primary US destination.

Another element to Qantas large presence at LAX has to do with its relationship with AA and number of domestic code-share flights operated to provide added feed and connectivity, something that cannot be replicated at SFO.
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
I stand correct, though for whatever reason, QF94 LAX-MEL will be having a stop in Sydney this coming Saturday.

I'm pretty sure that it's once a week like that, not just this one Saturday.
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
::Current Schedule::
S=Sydney. M=Melbourne. B=Brisbane. A=Auckland.

Arrivals:
Mon. --S S M B A
Tues. -S S M A
Wed. -S S M B A
Thurs. S S S M A
Fri. ----S S S M B A
Sat. ---S S M B A
Sun. --S S M B A

On Mon., Wed., Fri., Sat., and Sun., QF107 from SYD goes to JFK.

So, given the JFK flights, this should read:

S=Sydney. M=Melbourne. B=Brisbane. A=Auckland. N=New York.

Arrivals:
Mon. --S S M B A N
Tues. -S S M A
Wed. -S S M B A N
Thurs. S S S M A
Fri. ----S S S M B A N
Sat. ---S S M B A N
Sun. --S S M B A N

That's a lot of Roo Tails.

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 21):
LAX is a "Mini-Hub" if you will for Qantas.

The reason Qantas has so many flights to LAX, and not SFO, is because the codeshare with American, who has a hub at LAX, and not at SFO. If qantas were to expand in the U.S., My guess is a nonstop to DFW.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 24):
So, given the JFK flights, this should read:

S=Sydney. M=Melbourne. B=Brisbane. A=Auckland. N=New York.

Arrivals:
Mon. --S S M B A N
Tues. -S S M A
Wed. -S S M B A N
Thurs. S S S M A
Fri. ----S S S M B A N
Sat. ---S S M B A N
Sun. --S S M B A N

That's a lot of Roo Tails.

The New York flight is actually a SYD flight doing a short trip to NYC (it is just an extension of a SYD flight). So, it doesnt count to the total amount of QF tails you can see at LAX at once.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
The reason Qantas has so many flights to LAX, and not SFO, is because the codeshare with American, who has a hub at LAX, and not at SFO

Learn something new every day. I did not know AA considered LAX a hub operation.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:09 am

I used to live in those very same apartments on the 4th floor. Armed with a scanner and FS9 with perfect view of 24L/R, I could usually pinpoint exactly when a flight would arrive. The go-arounds were especially cool.

One time when standing in the all concrete hallway while spotting, a 757 hit his thrust reversers on 24R and it echoed so badly it was damn near deafening. Probably the loudest thing I've ever heard.
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 26):
Learn something new every day. I did not know AA considered LAX a hub operation.

AA does not really consider LAX a "hub." However, compared to their "destinations" like SFO or SEA, AA offers a lot of connections from LAX: American Airlines: (Austin, Boston, Chicago-O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, Denver, Fort Lauderdale, Honolulu, Kahului, Kona, Las Vegas, Lihue, London-Heathrow, Los Cabos, Miami, Nashville, New York-JFK, Newark, Orlando, San Antonio, San Francisco, San José (CR), San Juan, San Salvador, St. Louis, Tokyo-Narita, Toronto-Pearson, Washington-Dulles). American Eagle (Fayetteville (AR), Fresno, Las Vegas, Monterey, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose (CA), San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara).

Qantas code-shares on a lot of those AA flights. Most of those destinations are not offered by AA at SFO.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 27):
Armed with a scanner and FS9 with perfect view of 24L/R, I could usually pinpoint exactly when a flight would arrive. The go-arounds were especially cool.

One time when standing in the all concrete hallway while spotting, a 757 hit his thrust reversers on 24R and it echoed so badly it was damn near deafening. Probably the loudest thing I've ever heard.

I still need to get my hands on a scanner, that's one tool I'm missing. The go-arounds are indeed interesting to watch. As for the noise, few things can compete with a B744 breaking hard after a long-haul flt. Can't wait to get shots of the A388 when it starts scheduled flights!

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 28):
Qantas code-shares on a lot of those AA flights. Most of those destinations are not offered by AA at SFO.

I always wondered why Qantas sometimes gates at T4...guess the code sharing makes sense of that. Kinda like when Air France used to gate at T5 with SkyTeam partner Delta.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:26 am

So all you QF personel, what have you heard on the rumor of QF moving more flights to SFO? They rumor was floating around LAX before I left there 2 weeks ago, and in 2 days here at SFO I have heard it as well.

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:43 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
sux for those pax! Has got to be one of the highest intl capacity configured aircraft in the world.

Sucks for us too...With less crew than a 747-400... ALOT more work, especially running the meals through B-Zone to get to JC...its rediculous! How you been anyways? I waved at you through the glass the other day, but yu must not of seen me! LOL!

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 8):
There are going to be some ticked off Business-class customers in Dreamtime seats instead of the usual Skybeds...

Frequent flyers are alerted (Actually called, and re-routed if they would like) and told of the situation...usually when serving the pax in Business they donot mind as they have been told, and usually given compensation for the "scheduled" change. If the aircraft is changed to due "operational" (ie. Mechanical...etc) they are not alerted or given compensation.

As for the crews....im sure their will be alot of "SICK" days ahead!

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 21):

wow, did not know that..also about LAX being a hub for AA. thanks guys Big grin
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 8):
There are going to be some ticked off Business-class customers in Dreamtime seats instead of the usual Skybeds...

be even more ticked off if the current mechanical form of the 743's is anything to go by....
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 33):
be even more ticked off if the current mechanical form of the 743's is anything to go by

What been going wrong with the 743's?
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:21 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
The New York flight is actually a SYD flight doing a short trip to NYC (it is just an extension of a SYD flight). So, it doesnt count to the total amount of QF tails you can see at LAX at once.

Sure, but it's still an "Arrival" from JFK transiting through LAX surely. I know on "other" days, they just sit it out on the tarmac waiting for the return to SYD, but an "Arrival" nevertheless.

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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 34):
What been going wrong with the 743's?

have been quite a few problems with QFs B747 fleetwide in recent months. Not good news especially with the APA proposed sale
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:43 pm

QF575/580 - VH-EBW
QF485/566 - VH-EBY took over 566/15 and has departed (0428Z)
VH-EBV remains in PER

QF577 (ex- SYD/16th)...delayed ETA 2230 (opb -EBY)
QF583 (ex- SYD) due 2230, ETA 0005+1 (opb -EBW)
QF481 (ex- MEL) due 2135, ETA 0900+1
QF802 (to- MEL) due out 1250, ETD 2300
QF566 (to- SYD) due out 1625, ETD 1000+1

that was last weeks episode with the 743's, been alot of delays in recent months with those a/c due to mechanical reasons.
 
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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 31):
As for the crews....im sure their will be alot of "SICK" days ahead!

Now, now. Don't you get any ideas lad!  


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RE: Qantas Frequencies At LAX

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:38 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 37):
that was last weeks episode with the 743's, been alot of delays in recent months with those a/c due to mechanical reasons.

Oh for heavens sake! And here I was mulling over the decision, whether to book a SYD-PER-SYD return on the 743's for old times sake....


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