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Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:47 am

I thought I read somewhere that BTR-DEN was supposed to be announced today, either by F9 (likely pick) or UA (a little less likely due to UA's operating at MSY). I've searched the BTR newspapers but I've found nothing yet.

I think F9 could very well make BTR work with two daily E70's. Maybe F9 decided not to bother with MSY since UA will have all three Ted flights up and running again by June....

UA would certainly throw in United Express CR2's or CR7's...and it would increase, albeit minimally, the carriers' prescence in the South, which has historically not been that great to begin with but has decreased even more over the past several years.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:51 am

I Googled it and didn't see a thing, either.

Maybe the airline that was going to serve it backed out at the last minute?
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
I thought I read somewhere that BTR-DEN was supposed to be announced today,

Today? I didn't read that. The original comment (I thought) was based on this:

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/7056932.html

"Baton Rouge already has committed $1 million toward incentives to lure a Denver carrier, with a deal that could be announced as soon as next week, said Anthony Marino, the aviation director at Metro Airport."

Which, I suspect, was a reporter jumping the gun to make his case.

Frontier first mentioned it nearly two years ago - post-Katrina, and we know they've been in discussions with BTR since then:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._m0CWU/is_2005_Sept_9/ai_n15380888

But the fleet seems to be going flat chat for the summer, so I'm not sure what aircraft they would use. Even it is Frontier, which is still a question mark.

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:21 am

BTR may be a questionable market....if and when the incentives run out, I could see F9 or UA leaving the market.

Right after Katrina...in the weeks that followed...the BTR airport director was very happy to proclaim that BTR was going to be getting tons of new service and that airlines which used to fly to MSY (I remember TA being mentioned several times) would be flying from BTR instead on a permanent basis.

Indeed, DL did start BTR-DCA and LGA, as well as added mainline to ATL....now, all that's left is the DCA flight...no more LGA, and ATL is back to all RJ.

Continental added more mainline service to IAH as well as BTR-EWR service....BTR-EWR was discontinued, and IAH is back to a lone 735 as well as the seven or so ERJ's.

American added M80 service on BTR-DFW, BTR-STL nonstops, and BTR-ORD service....BTR-DFW is back to all RJ's, BTR-STL has been discontnued, and BTR-ORD is still hanging on wit a daily RJ.

The fact is MOST of the added/increased service from BTR has bene discontinued with MSY's recovery...indeed, most BTR passengers make the one hour drive to MSY to get more nonstop options and generally lower fares.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:10 am

UA has been doing quite a bit of expansion to some smaller markets from DEN as of late, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see them start DEN-BTR.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
...indeed, most BTR passengers make the one hour drive to MSY to get more nonstop options and generally lower fares.

By a considerable (if not overwhelming) margin as well.

BTR's airport commission estimates 3M annual O&D air pax for BTR, yet their airport only handles 800K.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
indeed, most BTR passengers make the one hour drive to MSY to get more nonstop options and generally lower fares.

Which may be why BTR wants more options and lower fares?

We shall see. Since it is said to be DEN service, I assume it has to be either United or Frontier, and gosh, why not?

I can't see Frontier going back to MSY, especially given United's increased freqeuncy there.

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
especially given United's increased freqeuncy there.

part of which is due to the absence of nonstop Bay service. Be interesting to see what happens to DEN capacity if/when SFO returns.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:31 am

Suppoaedly, BTR-DEN service is to be announced on Wednesday afternoon:

http://www.businessreport.com/newsDetail.cfm?aid=11407&cid=2

"Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport has landed its first low-cost air carrier. An official announcement is set for Wednesday afternoon at the airport."

The airline is still not named.

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:39 am

When was the last time United/Express opened up a new domestic station, not route but city?

Good for BTR in acquiring a new carrier, it's always good to see the midsized cities pick up a new carrier.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:06 am

If its a low cost carrier, Its got to be F9.

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 9):
When was the last time United/Express opened up a new domestic station, not route but city?

I can't think of the last time but next one is probably PMD-SFO on UAX starting in June. Palmdale as been airline free for a while.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:29 am

FATFlyer - What's the chance of this being Allegiant to LAS or SFB?
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 12):
FATFlyer - What's the chance of this being Allegiant to LAS or SFB?

I doubt anyone to SFB, as they have DLcnnx to MCO
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 9):
When was the last time United/Express opened up a new domestic station, not route but city?

Last February with the beginning of flights to Huntsville, AL with service from DEN. IAD service started earlier this month.

Kalispell, MT will be the next new UA domestic station starting this June with daily year-round service from DEN and summer seasonal weekend service from ORD.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:40 pm

It hasn't been announced, but you can book it on Travelocity - DEN-BTR Frontier 2 x daily E170 - #4790 and #4792

 

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
I can't think of the last time but next one is probably PMD-SFO on UAX starting in June. Palmdale as been airline free for a while.

That's right...thanks. I would like to see UA open up a few new Express cities and one of them is BTR (other is TOL of course  Wink ). I think they could easily start out 2x CRJ BTR-DEN and 2x CRJ to BTR-IAD and maybe add ORD later on down the road.

Congrats to BTR, Frontier is a real catch.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
It hasn't been announced, but you can book it on Travelocity - DEN-BTR Frontier 2 x daily E170 - #4790 and #4792

Great news! Nice to see them back in the area. Now it won't be too hard for me to fly them when I earn enough points on my F9 Mastercard for a free ticket....I'm not too far away.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 12):
What's the chance of this being Allegiant to LAS or SFB?

Havent Allegiant served BTR before, or was the service announced but never started?
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
or was the service announced but never started?

They announced a package to lure them, and even identified them specifically... but then nothing became of it.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
but then nothing became of it.

Allegiant cited low advance bookings as the reason why they never intiated service to BTR.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:06 am

It's official:

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_...mt-115p2938&feed=cmt&date=20070425

"Frontier Airlines (FRNT) today announced it will launch non-stop service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport (BTR)."

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 20):

Allegiant cited low advance bookings as the reason why they never intiated service to BTR.

...which is what I "fear" will befall this flight soon as the subsidies wear off.

If not though, power to 'em. This is BTR's first new carrier since US to CLT circa 2001.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
...which is what I "fear" will befall this flight soon as the subsidies wear off

That could be. I know they are going for the underserved market, but long term success would be easier to find about 70 miles down I-10. We shall see.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
This is BTR's first new carrier since US to CLT circa 2001.

That's when the USAir Express / Air Midwest flights from BTR to MLU and MSY came to an end.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 23):
That's when the USAir Express / Air Midwest flights from BTR to MLU and MSY came to an end.

They were ended quite a while before that.
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 23):
long term success would be easier to find about 70 miles down I-10. We shall see.

A choice between DEN-MSY - with United going to 3 x daily - and DEN-BTR - with no competing service?

Not unlike the choice between DEN-FAT - with strong United competition - and DEN-SDF - with no competition.

One is being dropped and the other is gangbusters. Not a tough call.

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 25):
A choice between DEN-MSY - with United going to 3 x daily - and DEN-BTR - with no competing service?

......which also can be viewd as:
A choice between 8million O&D with three flights, or 0.8million O&D with zero?
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 26):
......which also can be viewd as:
A choice between 8million O&D with three flights, or 0.8million O&D with zero?

That is also true. But hey - there's 8 million O&D on MSY-DEN alone?

Wow.

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 25):
A choice between DEN-MSY - with United going to 3 x daily - and DEN-BTR - with no competing service?

Well I was really talking about the fact that the greater New Orleans area is still the hub for the majority of the business and leisure traffic destined for Southeast Louisiana; however, that's not taking anything away from BTR. It's a growing market and I hope the people there support the service.
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 28):
I was really talking about the fact that the greater New Orleans area is still the hub for the majority of the business and leisure traffic destined for Southeast Louisiana;

That may be true.

Even so, MSY has good service from DEN and BTR doesn't, and if we talk about connecting opportunites to the west, BTR is quite poorly served.

So perhaps the red-haired stepchild has some zing to her.  Smile

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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 29):
and if we talk about connecting opportunites to the west, BTR is quite poorly served.

Very much so. Just CO via IAH and AA via DFW as far as direct routings go.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 29):
So perhaps the red-haired stepchild has some zing to her

Well, ConcordeBoy lives there, and i'm sure he can vouch for that.  Wink
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:55 pm

Slightly off topic...but was hoping that SHV might score F9 before this is all over with..maybe Lynx?
 
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RE: Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:35 pm

$99 OW is the promotion to start the service, along with the usual double Early Returns miles. Another spoke for F9 with two daily ERJ flight to and fro. I love what these E-Jets will be doing for us long term.