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Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:12 am

04/24/2007


Delta hasn't begun a campaign to fill the gap between its 76-seat regional jets and 142-seat MD-80s, but its business plan calls for 25 small-gauge narrowbodies by 2010.

The carrier is taking on 15 124-seat Boeing 737-700s, but Chief Operating Officer Jim Whitehurst recently said those aircraft are targeted for very specific performance-limited airports, citing Vail, Mexico City and some islands in the Caribbean, where the carrier currently has to fly 757s and would like to have fewer seats or operate additional frequencies.

The 737-700s slated for the targeted markets aren't viewed as small-gauge, narrowbody aircraft. Whitehurst explained that for markets such as Atlanta-Knoxville or -Buffalo, Delta does have a gap between 76-seats and 142-seats, and "we will look at all the alternatives out there to close that gap."

Delta will also likely need to make a widebody replacement decision within 12 months. Whitehurst pointed out the airline probably won't need new aircraft until 2011 or 2012 -- the point Delta where will have exhausted its move of widebody aircraft from domestic to international service. At that time, Delta will need replacement of some of its older 767s, as well as additional growth.

Delta is stretching the 767s "as far as we can," Whitehurst said, explaining the carrier is putting a horizontal crew rest on a subfleet of the 767s, so they are capable of flying them longer than 12 hours. That capability allowed Delta to announce its Atlanta-Lagos and JFK-Tel Aviv routes. Whitehurst said the 767's mission is about 13 hours, and the 787 would supply an additional mission capability that Delta does not have today, and that's something the carrier would be interested in, assuming it selects the 787.


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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:15 am

I would be almost 98% sure Delta will announce a deal for probably 25 or so E190/E95 aircraft as that "gap" aircraft..
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
The carrier is taking on 15 124-seat Boeing 737-700s,

interesting. Last I heard, the order for 737-700s was only for ten aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:20 am

Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
Whitehurst said the 767's mission is about 13 hours, and the 787 would supply an additional mission capability that Delta does not have today, and that's something the carrier would be interested in, assuming it selects the 787.

I can already see the headlines; 'Delta has shunned the company that made the 764's specifically for them and chosen the now popular A350'.    sarcastic 

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 2):
Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
The carrier is taking on 15 124-seat Boeing 737-700s,

interesting. Last I heard, the order for 737-700s was only for ten aircraft.

That's what I thought too. I think they should order more 73G's to replace their MD-88's. Or replace the M88's when the 737RS comes out. Since 3x 73G's almost equals 2x 757's, a fleet of the 737's could give more frequency to many markets and free up 757's for use elsewhere.
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:48 am

I thought delta flew the 738 also

but like said above I think they will go for the E190 narrowbody and the 788 widebody
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 5):
I think they should order more 73G's to replace their MD-88's.

The 738 is the right plane for that job...

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:10 am

I'm sure Delta has already selected it's upcoming fleet decisions...

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:10 am

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

They already have enough MDD aircraft remaining. Looks like someone wants to keep the only Boeing carryover from a decade ago that they saw the light to finally cancel.
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Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:11 am

There are some rumblings that DL will acquire more examples of the MD-90 on the second-hand market in another thread here that must be considered credible considering the need for narrowbodies that DL has.
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

They already have enough MDD aircraft remaining. Looks like someone wants to keep the only Boeing carryover from a decade ago that they saw the light to finally cancel.

Yeah, because they really haven't needed a 100 seat airplane; it's ideal to have a 66 seat gap between the 76 seat CRJ and a 142 seat MD-88.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:30 pm

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

Maybe they should just buy Airtran and get a nice stack of 737-700s and 717s to fulfil the aforementioned needs. I think Airtran have about the right number of 737-700s as well...

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:16 pm

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

That's what I was thinking when I first read the article. Unfortunately for the 717, DL's interest in this market is five years too late.
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Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:33 pm

What is "Horzontal Crew Rest?"

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:10 pm

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 5):
I think they should order more 73G's to replace their MD-88's. Or replace the M88's when the 737RS comes out. Since 3x 73G's almost equals 2x 757's, a fleet of the 737's could give more frequency to many markets and free up 757's for use elsewhere.

Why? There is nothing wrong with their md88's, they're great shape, and newer than some of the other metal in their fleet! The md80 is a great aircraft, with a great safety record, and is very dependable, I'm not sure why so many people want them gone?
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:07 pm

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 16):
Why? There is nothing wrong with their md88's, they're great shape, and newer than some of the other metal in their fleet! The md80 is a great aircraft, with a great safety record, and is very dependable, I'm not sure why so many people want them gone?

I second that one, I just flew DL a couple of weeks ago for the first time since 2003. I was on 2MD88s, 1CR7, and 1738. The MD-88s were extremely comfortable boasting the new leather seats, extended overhead bins, hardwood floor panelling in the LAV. They are much nicer than any of the other MD-80s around (cough, cough AA)
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:03 pm

While in the subject of Delta and ordering planes, do you think that we will be seeing some orders announce next week when they exit bankruptcy protection?

[Edited 2007-04-24 13:08:29]
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting DL777Dude (Reply 18):
While in the subject of Delta and ordering planes, do you think that we will be seeing some orders announce next week when they exit bankruptcy protection?

I think you will hear some orders very soon after exiting BK, but I doubt it will be next week. Within a month or two would be my guess. I think the first thing you will hear, before aircraft orders, will be the sale of Comair.

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:22 pm

Bombardier should be pushing a nice deal on launcing their C-Series at Delta with some 900's in the mix as well. That would fill the gap nicely.

Does anyone know if Bombardier has the liquidity to take a loss on a sale to Delta to get the ball rolling?
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 20):
Delta with some 900's in the mix as well

Delta Connection (Skywest) is already operating the CRJ-900.
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:06 pm

They should also think about adding the 736. They should've ordered more 73G. Maybe 30 at least.

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717

That'd be a good solution, IMO. There's so many options available in todays market than there was ten yrs ago. IMO.

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:40 pm

As said earlier in the thread, I second the belief that the E-Jets are the only airplane that is a true solution for Delta. I predict 25 orders for the E-195 by Labor Day for delivery starting in Late Spring 2008 with a 2 class layout in the 98-105 seat range.

My reasoning for this is:

737-600 is to heavy and has to high operating costs for this market size.
A-318 also to heavy and to high operating costs
CRJ-1000 is just a little smaller for 2 class layout.
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

Bingo. Looks like somebody at DL dropped the ball on fleet planning a bit. Now they only have the CRJ 900 or the E jets to choose from...I dont see the 736 as viable for them......
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22):
They should also think about adding the 736.

No, they shouldn't. The 736 lacks the range, is too heavy, and the 73G can operate the same missions with better performance and almost identical operating costs.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 2):
Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
The carrier is taking on 15 124-seat Boeing 737-700s,
interesting. Last I heard, the order for 737-700s was only for ten aircraft.

It is, and it still shows that way on Boeing's order page. Though there is a UFO order for 5 73Gs placed on March 29th. *Could* be an additional DL order, though I won't bet on anything.


Also, a bit on the side, I've long wondered if DL would ever be a realistiv candidate for Bombardier's rumored DHC-8-Q500 if they ever launch them. Would be a good way to replace RJs and mainline on most of the short hops out of ATL and CVG, thus freeing up those planes for transcons or other longer flights.
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 24):
I second the belief that the E-Jets are the only airplane that is a true solution for Delta. I predict 25 orders for the E-195 by Labor Day for delivery starting in Late Spring 2008 with a 2 class layout in the 98-105 seat range.

What city groups would you see these aircraft used for? What hubs will see the biggest share of their use? I don't think they'll be used to enhance frequency, but rather long trans-con type flights:
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 20):
Bombardier should be pushing a nice deal on launcing their C-Series at Delta with some 900's in the mix as well. That would fill the gap nicely.

DL needs the a/c quicker than Bombardier could deliver a new a/c. The 900's are already being rolled into DL Conx as we write. I would bet there will be a sizeable order for 20-30 E-190/195's sometime in the next few months along with a widebody 787 combo 737/8 order in order for DL to get some delivery slots to coincide with the 767 replacements that will be needed around 2012-2015.

However, the MD's I don't think are going anywhere in the next 10 years. The E-jets and 73G's will be in addition to the MD's to fill gaps and have some flexibility to better serve domestic, Mexican and Caribbean frequencies and markets in the coming years.

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:04 pm

- the 736 will not live in Delta's fleet. the airplane is too much beef for a half vegetarian.

- the 73G will be an interim solution to help fill the 76-142 seat gap.

- Embraer jets could see their way into the Delta fleet.

- as others here and the article (Jim himself) says, Delta still has a few years of solid international growth available by the current fleet and the addition of the 777LR and 757Etops. Adding another 5 (for a total of 13) 764Intl helps.

- Also, it is important to rememberemember that there are 24 767-300s (of which four or so were delivered with higher thrust PW engines) that could be switched to Etops allowing for JFK-MAN/JFK-SNN/JFK-DUB routings. Similarly, the 75ET could replace some current 76E flights during low-demand season, allowing the 76Es to op additional routes. As we've seen, not every route needs to be daily in order to be profitable, and DL has done some crazy fleet scheduling in the past.

I'm sure there will be clarity within the next few weeks and months. Until then it's anyone's guess.  Wink
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:29 pm

So I have to wonder, how much is fleet commonality going into DLs fleet decisions? DL went through a pretty large effort to retire airplanes not only for operating cost reasons, but also because of fleet commonality. If they start adding all these new birds, could they be getting into an issue of pushing their costs back up for training and to maintain such small fleets? Looking down the road, say 1012, we could see

E190/E195
MD88
MD90
737/738
757/767
772/773
787
Eventual 757 replacement
Eventual MD88/MD90 replacement

Are they going to have a bunch of oddball programs, like the MD90 or B733G vs. B733? Whatever their decision, I am sure they will be smart about it.
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 30):
So I have to wonder, how much is fleet commonality going into DLs fleet decisions? DL went through a pretty large effort to retire airplanes not only for operating cost reasons, but also because of fleet commonality. If they start adding all these new birds, could they be getting into an issue of pushing their costs back up for training and to maintain such small fleets? Looking down the road, say 1012, we could see

As they transition to new fleets, there will always be interim "messes"

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:31 pm

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 16):
Why? There is nothing wrong with their md88's, they're great shape, and newer than some of the other metal in their fleet! The md80 is a great aircraft, with a great safety record, and is very dependable, I'm not sure why so many people want them gone?

I'm no A&P, but most all of the Alerts we have here at ATL are either mad dogs or CRJ's. I would say 2 a week are MD's with hydraulic problems.

The last time I flew on one, the brakes were so bad the pilot had to apply, let off, apply let off... just to stop the grinding sound

I would like to see them go
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:12 am

I think when delta made the post for 4 Mainline aircraft they were hoping (wishfull thinking) that the E-175-195's would be given to DL connection . That did not happen. For the next several years, 5 types are needed

I see in the 2008-2011 timeframe the following fleet.

1. 777
2. 757/767
3. 737
4. MD-88
5. E-195

It will take atleast 5 years to replace fleets the size of delta's MD-88 and 757 fleets with newer technology assuming 2 planes a month which I don't think they could even do at the same time. I see the 757's being phased out after the 88's

I see the following fleet at the end of the next decade

1. 777
2. 787
3. 737RS
4. E-195

the E-195 will serve 2 purposes at delta.
1. right size equipment on some current routes where crj-700/900's are too small and MD-88's are to large. There are probably 30 markets out of ATL alone where some frequency currently has to much or to little capacity and the E-Jet is the right fit..
2. Open a few new long and thin routes that throw off enough yield to justitfy like SLC-PBI

As said above the 737-700 is a niche airplane for Delta and will not be the Gap filler b/c it is still 15 seats to large costs to much to operate. They will not be bringin a 737-700 on ATL-BUF,SYR,ROC or ALB where they need a 100 pax plan.

Not to make this a NW DC-9 thread, but the DC-9 at NWA that holds 100 pax in 2 classes, the 30 series I think, is the exact size delta needs. Keeping 2 flt attendants and the very high efficiency of the E-Jet will help. The FAA requirement for 1 flt attendant per 50 pax will play a roll in the final aircraft seating layout.
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 16):
Why? There is nothing wrong with their md88's, they're great shape, and newer than some of the other metal in their fleet! The md80 is a great aircraft, with a great safety record, and is very dependable, I'm not sure why so many people want them gone?

People are probably bored with flying on MD-88s all the time...DL has so many that your chances of getting on one are high. The routes I fly usually involve at least 1 Mad Dog, but personally, I never get tired of them.

I guess it's the same thing as the people who want to see NW get rid of their DC-9's. I had the opportunity to fly NW twice last year, and I flew on 3 different DC-9s. They're still looking great and flying strong!
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 34):
the E-195 will serve 2 purposes at delta.

curious why you think Delta will go with the 195 instead of the 190? Sounds like Delta wants a 100 seat aircraft and its my understanding that USAir is operating the 190 dual class with 100 seats.
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:31 am

On the wide body side do you think Delta will order any 777-300ER'S ?
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 36):
its my understanding that USAir is operating the 190 dual class with 100 seats.

Nope 99. F11 Y88. The E190 would make a good DL plane for what DL wants.

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting Kraw (Reply 33):
I'm no A&P, but most all of the Alerts we have here at ATL are either mad dogs or CRJ's. I would say 2 a week are MD's with hydraulic problems.

The last time I flew on one, the brakes were so bad the pilot had to apply, let off, apply let off... just to stop the grinding sound

I would like to see them go

   I couldn't agree with you more! I think the philosophy and tradition of seeking Douglas Aircraft first is what put DL on the road to BK. The MD-88/90 and MD-11 rank as the biggest fleet mistakes for DL over the last two decades. I think the paradigm shift to Boeing was needed much sooner, even though getting the 752s was perhaps the one smart choice they made, just not enough of them. That said, I do think there is a potential for the EMB-190/195 in a forthcoming DL fleet. But I don't see it being a huge number, but rather to fill the niche of longer haul point to point domestic and North American flights from their largest hubs. DL has done a lot with Shuttle America and the EMB-170, and I think with all of the bugs B6 and others have been bedeviled with in the EMB-190/195, I think 2008 will be a good time to start getting some of these for mainline entry level equipment. But in the future I see DL having more:

738-800s.
Also continuing to fly these long pas the time when they park their last Mad Dog in the desert:

757-200s since these are the trans-con work-horses and can also handle the NYC-JFK-Europe flight as well as possibly BOS-Europe as well as LAX/SAN/SLC-Hawaii operations out on the west coast.
But for the 100 or so seat aircraft, do look for the 190/195 variant of this:

Edited for spelling

[Edited 2007-04-24 18:26:22] Again for placement

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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:11 am

Don't forget that DL has a substantial 732 fleet that filled that roll (sub 140 seats) for many years.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1085823/L/


DL still owns quite a few, but like other less efficient aircraft, has chosen to park them.

DL will place an order for a 100 - 120 seat aircraft. The only aircraft that reasonably fits the bill for a Mainline aircraft is the EMB190/195.
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 8):
I'm sure Delta has already selected it's upcoming fleet decisions...

[Edited 2007-04-24 04:11:33]

No question about it. Agree 100%
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 39):
I couldn't agree with you more! I think the philosophy and tradition of seeking Douglas Aircraft first is what put DL on the road to BK.

Alert American, the biggest MD-80 operator in the world and the only major legacy airline to have never been in bankruptcy!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 42):
Alert American, the biggest MD-80 operator in the world and the only major legacy airline to have never been in bankruptcy!

 redflag  While AA has had a HUGE fleet of MD-8X a/c, they now have the highest debt load of any North American carrier, and many are saying they will be hindered on the speed in which they can procure replacement a/c for this massive fleet in other threads
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 43):
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 42):
Alert American, the biggest MD-80 operator in the world and the only major legacy airline to have never been in bankruptcy!

While AA has had a HUGE fleet of MD-8X a/c, they now have the highest debt load of any North American carrier, and many are saying they will be hindered on the speed in which they can procure replacement a/c for this massive fleet in other threads

Yes, my point exactly. How is THAT the fault of the MD-80?
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:14 am

Personally, I'm not all that crazy for the 88s but who can DL thank for them being aquired? QUOTE..."We don't want to be the largest airline; we just wanna be the Worldwide Airline of Choy-ce"....ENDQUOTE. Good 'ole southern boy!
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

couldn't have said it better myself. this plane is perfect for what delta needs at the moment. sometimes I jut wonder about weather boeing should just like put a hold on the production of like the 757 and then five years later when everyone is paying top dollar to get one you start building them again. But whatever the case may be I am sure delta will select the right aircraft for the job.
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 45):
Personally, I'm not all that crazy for the 88s but who can DL thank for them being aquired? QUOTE..."We don't want to be the largest airline; we just wanna be the Worldwide Airline of Choy-ce"....ENDQUOTE. Good 'ole southern boy!

Thank you Ronald W. Allen!

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 44):
Yes, my point exactly. How is THAT the fault of the MD-80?

When AA began to acquire their MD-80 fleet back in the early 1980s, there weren't as many options other than the fact that there was the big three in those days rather than just A vs. B. DL's fleet acquisition came much later in the decade when more Boeing options that would have been much more comon with the Western fleet of 733s they inherited. But DL was too caught up in the tradition of acquiring Douglas aircraft first. AA has worked their MD-80 fleet long and hard, and now it is costing them increasingly more than they are worth. While I understand the sentimentality to keep the MDD a/c flying as long as possible, it has now been ten years since the Boeing/MDD merger. It is time to let the Douglas legacy pass on. Same applies for NW and their DC-9 lovers!
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Widebody

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):
Looks like somebody should have ordered the 717.

Then they could be operating two types that aren't built anymore. By waiting, the 190/195 is a much better option as SLCUT2777 said earlier.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 21):
Delta Connection (Skywest) is already operating the CRJ-900.

I think perhaps he meant operating the 900's with more than 76 seats, but Delta has them on routes that are too long such as SLC-YYZ and SLC-PIT. The Westbound legs often can't do it without a fuel stop somewhere. More seats on the 900 won't necessarily solve the gap.

[Edited 2007-04-24 20:49:46]
 
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RE: Delta Looks To Fill Narrowbody Gap & New Wideb

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 48):
think perhaps he meant operating the 900's with more than 76 seats, but Delta has them on routes that are too long such as SLC-YYZ and SLC-PIT.

SLC-PIT will be upgraded to an MD-90 soon.

[Edited 2007-04-24 20:51:13]

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