TWA902fly
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BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 1:20 am

I just saw this on CNN Headline News. BA flight 002, from London LHR to New York JFK had to land in Gander, Newfoundland because passengers sensed a "fuel" smell in the cabin. Does anyone have any more about this? British Airways chartered a 737 to carry the passengers from Gander to New York.
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 1:28 am

The Concorde fleet is getting to the end of its life. These planes are starting to have way to many problems.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 2:28 am

There wasn't anything necessarily wrong with the plane, the passengers just smelt fuel. Who knows, maybe one of the passengers stunk.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 2:34 am

One of the passenger videoed the events in the cabin. The media blew it all out of proportion. A few passengers said they could smell fuel, the Captain couldn't find a problem, but in view of recent events made a precautionary diversion to Gander. There was no panic, and most of the passengers interviewed (including Tony Bennet) didn't seem that bothered.
- No faults with the aircraft were immediately apparent.

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The Concorde fleet is getting to the end of its life. These planes are starting to have way to many problems

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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 3:16 am

I think in light of the AirFrance crash so many things will be blown out of proportion. However to say the Concorde is aged is rediculous. They have a far less utilization time in the air. The one that crashed had less than 4000 landing cycles and less than 12,000 flight hours....All of this in 20 years! It's a baby. They are an extremely well built aircraft but they are vulnerable to disaster like anything else.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 3:24 am

I saw that and I was about to post it on this forum, but you beat me.   When I first heard "BA Concorde Makes an Emergency landing, I was worried a little about the Concorde's safety. (If things all of a sudden started to go wrong with the Concorde, maybe it's time for the end) But I don't think there's any problem with the Concorde. I had thoughts this year that sooner or later, one would crash. I never hoped that I would be right, but I was.  

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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 3:25 am

The Concorde fleet is getting to the end of its life. These planes are starting to have way to many problems.
This is a ridiculous & non-sense comment. Concorde in term of use is one of the youngest.
Just because of the disaster that happened, all joe's and joshepine's will start thinking that this plane is comparable to a Connie or something (Not that i have something against the constelation!)


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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 3:29 am

Isnt there more stress on the frame/body of the Concorde because of the higher speeds?
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 4:08 am

The Concorde is a good air plane!   And it is still a baby! Just because it had that crash, everyone is noticing its little defects, and just because there are defects, it should be retired? THAT IS PURE B/S!

Every plane type will crash, some day. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but one will crash. I hate to break it to you.  

 
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 4:46 am

Does AF and BA look after their Concordes or do they get other companies to do that like Aerospaitiale? I think they do many more checks on the Concordes than the rest of their fleet.
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 5:04 am

This emergency landing hurt the Concorde's reputation even more. I Hope that nothing else happens.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 5:09 am

This is just more sensationalistic news. After the Alaska Airlines MD-80 crash, everyday there was an "Emergency landing of an MD-80 after the pilot reported stabiliser troubles". My favourite though is when they say "This is the same type of airplane involved in last weeks crash of an Alaska Airlines jet". Yes when a plane of such a high-profile aeroplane like Concorde is, carrying many auspicious clientèle, makes an emergency landing, it may make the news, but because this was 5 days after the Air France Concorde crash, it was pushed up on the priority list.

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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 5:22 am

I know what youre saying about the MD-80. If the Alaska plane didnt crash, no one would care that that other MD-80 made an emergency landing. But since it crashed, this is top news !

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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 5:23 am

this is common with all crashes...refer to alaska air. Everyone has the crash in the back of their minds..the fish/steak or whatever might have an odor that may for some reason have a *hint* of a fuel-like smell, of maybe just a passenger might *think* they do. then they say something, then the person, thinking about the crash, starts to smell it too...if enough smell it, then everyone will, regardless of if the odor is real or not. Mass Hysteria. Psychosematicism (sp?). it's all the same. and the media is more than happy to jump on it because it's hot. if the tires smoke a little more than usual right now it'll be "near disaster" on the MY times. It's just a fact of life. if one person feels sick, everyone else does.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 5:50 am

TWA902fly wrote:
"Isnt there more stress on the frame/body of the Concorde because of the higher speeds?"

On all details of any plane down to the smallest rivet the stress is calculated, measured and tested. A Concorde has a higher cabin pressure difference, therefore thicker fuselage skin. It has higher take-off and landing speed, therefore stronger landing gear, brakes, wheels, tyres etc. It is heated to high temperatures which are acounted for in different ways. Some component may erode faster, but then they are renewed faster.
All this has nothing with aging to do.

If I remember well, then the Concorde basic airframe structure has been tested to 40,000 hours and 10,000 cycles. At that time the test rig was dismanteled for economic reasons, also because it was anticipated that no Concorde would ever fly that much. No weak points were found. These figures give the Concorde some 25-30 years more at the present utilisation. But I don't think that any Concorde will ever get that old - over fifty years.

The design fatigue life span was somewhat longer - don't remember the exact walue, but the 40,000 hours wasn't even close to that value, maybe it was 60,000 or 80,000. But in any case every single Concorde must, according to the type approval - retire at the latest when it reaches the values of the test rig when its operation was discontinued - which by the way happened several years after the Concorde was put into service.

It all boils down to the fact that the Concorde was designed for 75 or 100 years of operation at the present utilisation. And the interesting thing is that such values are in fact real since corrosion, which is common on all other airliners, is practically non-existing on Concordes because they on each flight are heated to around 200 deg. F in very dry air. Moisture hasn't got a chance to go to work.

One BA Concorde has developed microcracks faster than anticipated in the rear wing spar. Such things are normal on any airliner, and they are discovered at overhouls. Otherwise it could become catastrophic in 5-10 years time. It now gets a new spar, and that's it - ordinary maintenance. Sometimes we have a pair of socks, and one sock developes a hole on the toe or heel faster than the other for no apparent reason. Same on airliners except that they don't wait until a hole has developed, but exchange parts with new when "thinning" can be measured.
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Sorry

Tue Aug 01, 2000 6:13 am

The second post in this topic was not posted by me. It was posted by my mother that reads these boards, and insists that she know all my passwords because she thinks that I might be getting into something "bad". She is the type that beleives everything that the media says (kind of stupid if you ask me, but dont tell her i said that). Mother is general public and doesnt understand aircraft that much. To quote her after the AF crash: "you wont catch me on Air France anytime soon". Which makes no sense.

Anyways, I do think that the media has blown this way out of our universe. Now that the media has turned it's attention to the concorde, we probably will be seeing.

NEWS HEADLINE!!!

COFFEE STAIN FOUND ON CONCORDE FLOOR!!

Because they have to make a big deal out of everything.

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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 6:25 am

Yeah, hopefully the Concorde will survive the present press hysteria.
Remember two years ago, MD-11's were scattered all over the world on "emergency airfields" following the cabin fire and crash of SR-111 at Halifax. One passenger smells smoke, and immediately all three throttles are pulled back. That's how it is - until the press looses interest.
If the Concorde program is saved this time, then it may be because Mr. Gore or Mr. Bush says something stupid and suddenly makes the US election campain interesting for the world press. Both the Concorde and the election campain are potential "front cover news", and all newspapers only have one front cover.
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RE: Bobo2196

Tue Aug 01, 2000 6:46 am

Bobo, you are a young man, not a baby!!!
Young men have secret passwords.
You must promise me to change your password and never ever tell it to your mom again.
There comes a time when every young man must tell mom that his world is the planet Earth, while mom's world is the kitchen sink. Period.
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 7:02 am

LOL

I can't believe that anyone would fall for that line!

The second post in this topic was not posted by me. It was posted by my mother..."

LOL

The kid gets flamed for saying something unkind about the Concorde. So, he blames it on his mother!

LOL

My dog ate my homework!

LOL

LOL


P.S. speaking about getting flamed, check out this beauty in this thread:

There comes a time when every young man must tell mom that his world is the planet Earth, while mom's world is the kitchen sink. Period.
Preben Norholm


OH OH.

LOL

LOL

Hmmmm...
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 7:13 am

i heard CNN said (still wondering wether to believe them or not) that Concorde is a very unprofitable aircraft. Does anyone know how much profit it generates? And also, if the aircraft is unprofitable, why do BA and AF keep them flying?
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RE: Hmmmm...

Tue Aug 01, 2000 7:43 am

Hmmmm..., glad to hear that you understood the joke and could LOL. Sure Bobo did too (as well as Bobo's mom if she exists).
The philosophy is that you dont make men out of babies by constantly telling them that they are babies. And Bobo's second post isn't baby-talk - he deserves to know that.
Keep LOL'ing - best way to keep the doctor away!
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RE: BA Concorde Makes Emergency Landing In Canada

Tue Aug 01, 2000 8:55 am

Bobo, is aviation a gene that runs in your family?  
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