flyboyseven
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787 Total Orders And Options

Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:19 am

May seem like a stupid question, but how many 787s have been ordered in total. If it is avalible, an seperation between firm orders, and options would be nice too.
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:41 am

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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:01 am

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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:42 am

So 915 frames including firm orders, options and purchase rights. That is astounding.
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:58 am

No carrier listed as 787-9 only can have a 2008 EIS. There seems to be a problem in the numbers there...

edit: it's NZ that has that error.

[Edited 2007-04-25 04:59:36]
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aa1818
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
No carrier listed as 787-9 only can have a 2008 EIS. There seems to be a problem in the numbers there...

I believe it was from when they initially ordered the 788s and the date wasn't changed when they switched to 789s!

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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:32 am

I find it very interesting that only two customers ANA and JAL have ordered the -3. I wonder what the additional costs are to Boeing for designing and certifying the -3 variant. If Boeing does not have further -3 orders in the pipeline perhaps they would be better off to try and switch these customers to -8's and drop the -3. As the -3 and -8 have the same length it would be possible to fit the same number of people (depending on door config).

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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 3):
So 915 frames including firm orders, options and purchase rights. That is astounding.

Wow, I had no idea the combined total was over 900, they are approaching total 767 production numbers and exceeding total 330 numbers before EIS. Who would have believed this 5 years ago?
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 7):
Wow, I had no idea the combined total was over 900, they are approaching total 767 production numbers and exceeding total 330 numbers before EIS. Who would have believed this 5 years ago?

And Boeing still isn't planning to open a second assembly line....?  wideeyed 
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 7):
Wow, I had no idea the combined total was over 900, they are approaching total 767 production numbers and exceeding total 330 numbers before EIS.

According to Airbus' latest spreadsheet, A330 orders total 680 frames. The 787 is coming up hard on this number before it even flies! Who would have imagined this four years ago -- certainly not Mr. Leahy...

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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting Lotsamiles (Reply 6):
I find it very interesting that only two customers ANA and JAL have ordered the -3. I wonder what the additional costs are to Boeing for designing and certifying the -3 variant. If Boeing does not have further -3 orders in the pipeline perhaps they would be better off to try and switch these customers to -8's and drop the -3. As the -3 and -8 have the same length it would be possible to fit the same number of people (depending on door config).

JL and NH wanted the -3 and may have required it in order to place their orders. The 787-3 has a smaller wingspan which helps put more of them together side-by-side at the terminal gates and this may be important to JL and NH at regional Japanese airports like FUK, ITM, and even HND.
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
And Boeing still isn't planning to open a second assembly line....? wideeyed

Again, they don't need a second assembly line, the suppliers are the limitation, the single assembly line at Everett can handle up to about 200 frames annually.
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 11):
Again, they don't need a second assembly line, the suppliers are the limitation, the single assembly line at Everett can handle up to about 200 frames annually.

You're right....I guess, most of us get carried away by the large number (900 plus).....gotta remember that these aircraft will be delivered in lots upto 2012-13 or thereabouts.....so no problem with the currently planned capacity, I guess.....
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 9):
The 787 is coming up hard on this number before it even flies! Who would have imagined this four years ago -- certainly not Mr. Leahy...

Which to me is the true beauty of the whole 787 story.
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
JL and NH wanted the -3 and may have required it in order to place their orders. The 787-3 has a smaller wingspan which helps put more of them together side-by-side at the terminal gates and this may be important to JL and NH at regional Japanese airports like FUK, ITM, and even HND.

Thanks, that makes sense.
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting Lotsamiles (Reply 6):
I find it very interesting that only two customers ANA and JAL have ordered the -3. I wonder what the additional costs are to Boeing for designing and certifying the -3 variant. If Boeing does not have further -3 orders in the pipeline perhaps they would be better off to try and switch these customers to -8's and drop the -3. As the -3 and -8 have the same length it would be possible to fit the same number of people (depending on door config).

Regards,
Lotsamiles

ANA and JAL are both big time Boeing customers and I suspect the -3 was created with them and like airlines in mind. I don't believe you'll see Boeing asking them to change their order.
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 15):
ANA and JAL are both big time Boeing customers and I suspect the -3 was created with them and like airlines in mind. I don't believe you'll see Boeing asking them to change their order.

Also given the similarities of the -8 and -3, I don't think that Boeing has spent much money on the -3. There is still a possibility that some carriers will order the -3. What is the range of the -3? Perhaps AA and DL (as many threads have discussed). Maybe LH? Perhaps more from JL and ANA as well as some from Chinese carriers for intra China flights?
Also- maybe the Indian markets for some of the trunk routes domestically and regionally. Personally, I think the 787-3 has a lot of potential, but who knows, Boeing may have made the 787-8 sooooo good, that a little loss in efficiency over short distances probably still means the plane oeprates like a 'beast'!! Who knows- time will tell!

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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 15):
I suspect the -3 was created with them and like airlines in mind.

One would think. However, looking at the long list of customers with a wide variety of profiles, why no more -3's? Who are the other "airlines like them"?

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 16):
Boeing may have made the 787-8 sooooo good

I think this is likely the case. The -8 gives an airline more flexibility so if there are no constraints that force you into a -3 (such as wingspan at the gate), why not have the longer range capable aircraft? Likely the operating costs of the -8 are very similar to the -3 given the same routings. If not for the wingspan issue at some of the ANA and JAL gates it would be possible to achieve the desired lower landing fees by derating the MTOW as is commonly done on other aircraft such as the 757.

Most likely the costs for the -3 specific development is a small fraction of the overall development budget and thus not worth the effort the drop it now.
 
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RE: 787 Total Orders And Options

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 11):
Again, they don't need a second assembly line, the suppliers are the limitation, the single assembly line at Everett can handle up to about 200 frames annually.

Didn't Boeing recently claim a max capacity of 28/month on the one line?  eyepopping 
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