Goldenshield
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Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:18 am

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The city auditor's office on Sunday said the airline owes the city $482,244 in various fees and interest for using DIA from 2000 to 2004. Charges include $276,585 in underpaid landing fees, apparently due to Great Lakes Aviation using the wrong aircraft weights to calculate the fees after it switched aircraft models.

Courtesy the AP, and CBS Denver:
http://cbs4denver.com/business/local_story_114093505.html

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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:48 am

This topic is very misleading. The impression given is Great Lakes is doomed in some fashion.

All that this story is about is Denver Int'l Airport says Great Lakes owes us money. Great Lakes says no we don't.

There's not much discuss since the only facts that are known are a couple of "Yes you do" and "No we don't" statements about money owed. The accountants and lawyers will fight it out.
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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Brick (Reply 1):
This topic is very misleading. The impression given is Great Lakes is doomed in some fashion.

Okay, so i used the wrong preposition in the title. :P

Either way, not paying bills is bad, and giving false data for billing purposes is fraud.
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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
Either way, not paying bills is bad, and giving false data for billing purposes is fraud.



Quoting Goldenshield (Thread starter):
Charges include $276,585 in underpaid landing fees, apparently due to Great Lakes Aviation using the wrong aircraft weights to calculate the fees after it switched aircraft models.

Underpaid and not paying anything at all are 2 totally different issues. I doubt Great Lakes is even remotley in any position to be considered in "trouble". I am sure some of the bankrupt carriers out there are millions in the hole with airports around the nation, and I would even imagine that some of them have not paid a penny for it either.
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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:59 am

The airline I work for did something very similar at a major airport. Apparently, it was determined that landing fees were being paid for the passenger flight, but not the cargo flight. The airport brought it to our attention willing to work out a deal.

After a little investigation, it was confirmed that the landing fees for the cargo flights had not been paid for a number of years. The airline paid very quickly once an amount was agreed upon. It was not small.

I would be willing to bet this happens at many airports if no one is verifying aircraft types being used and if it is cargo or passenger.

I doubt it is the end of the world.

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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 3):
I doubt Great Lakes is even remotley in any position to be considered in "trouble".

Legal trouble maybe not yet, but its no big secret that Big Sky isn't in the best financial shape. Go for a ride up at their HDQ in CYS and take a look at the E120s with no engines up there...
 
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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:22 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
not paying bills is bad

True...

Quoting Goldenshield (Thread starter):
..apparently due to Great Lakes Aviation using the wrong aircraft weights to calculate the fees after it switched aircraft models.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
giving false data for billing purposes is fraud

I'm no lawyer, but I'd think that "fraud" would require some intent to be demonstrated.

Given that landing fees are based on an aircraft's max structural landing weight (irrespective of whether there's only 1 pax aboard or a butt in every seat), I can much more readily see the situation where a non-operational "clerical" person didn't know the financial effect of switching to an aircraft with a higher MLW than what was previously used.

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RE: Great Lakes In Trouble At DEN

Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 5):
Legal trouble maybe not yet, but its no big secret that Big Sky isn't in the best financial shape. Go for a ride up at their HDQ in CYS and take a look at the E120s with no engines up there...

I think you mean Great Lakes. Big Sky has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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