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SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:08 am

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NW 440 is operating SEA-MSP with the A333. Is this a charter or is this a scheduled flight? I don't know the reg. number.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:13 am

It is a scheduled flight and it looks like it is normally operated with a 753. I am guessing equipment sub or rotation.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:33 am

Finally, a NW domestic flight with IFE  Smile
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:04 am

Im on Northwest Flight 154 tonight from Sea- Msp. I wish I was flying on the A330  Sad

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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:09 am

Now if they could just do MSP-MCO with the A333, it will be like when I flew on that route on the DC-10-40, I would definately fly on an A333 to MCO.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 2):
Finally, a NW domestic flight with IFE

I don't think they'd turn the system on. Even planes that are IFE, do not have the system on while flying within the 48 states.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
I don't think they'd turn the system on. Even planes that are IFE, do not have the system on while flying within the 48 states.

I know. It was a joke.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):

I don't think they'd turn the system on. Even planes that are IFE, do not have the system on while flying within the 48 states.

I don't see why they wouldn't turn them on.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:28 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
I don't see why they wouldn't turn them on.

Well, he is correct in that other aircraft in the NW fleet are equipped with IFE (not in-seat), and they don't turn that system on and show anything during domestic flights by those aircraft.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 8):

Well, he is correct in that other aircraft in the NW fleet are equipped with IFE (not in-seat), and they don't turn that system on and show anything during domestic flights by those aircraft.

Oh, in terms of Northwest. I mis understood and thought he was talking about just in general.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:21 pm

I'll never forget watching the movie Twister while flying on a NW DC-10 from MSP-SEA. I was about 10 rows behind the video monitor and could barely see the tornado from my vantage point. It was definitely not like sitting in the front row at a movie theater...... But still. I used to enjoy flying on NW back in those days. Not only did you get a movie but a full meal service as well. And that was in coach.......
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
It is a scheduled flight and it looks like it is normally operated with a 753. I am guessing equipment sub or rotation.

Pretty strange though as I thought SEA only had 200's going in and out and this was a 300. Curious if the 300 has the legs to do SEA-AMS or SEA-NRT and they had to sub a 300 in for a 200??
 
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting STJ (Reply 11):
Pretty strange though as I thought SEA only had 200's going in and out and this was a 300. Curious if the 300 has the legs to do SEA-AMS or SEA-NRT and they had to sub a 300 in for a 200??

For the 1st 6 months of the A330 operating the SEA-AMS, it was a -300. It became a -200 in 3/05 when the first 5 came into the fleet.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
For the 1st 6 months of the A330 operating the SEA-AMS, it was a -300. It became a -200 in 3/05 when the first 5 came into the fleet.

Ah didn't know that, still they must be running short of 200's if they had to run a 300 out of SEA or I suppose they ended up with an extra 300 in AMS and needed to get it back to the states. I don't work until Saturday but will see if the FDD shows any info as to why it upgraded.
 
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:03 am

I see this happen about once a week. NW sends an A333 to SEA and all it dose is come right back...they did it with the DC-10 too a few times. its not for positioning or anything to do with the need of an A330 in SEA. if i were to guess id say it was there to get flight crews back and forth when there's no more room on the 753s.



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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:53 am

It was an equipment sub on MSP-SEA-MSP for a 753. No the aircraft did not come in from AMS through SEA and it wasn't for position either. It was simply a sub on an out-and-back from MSP due to an issue with an available 753.

The A330 was originally to swap out a 753 on an MSP-LAX-MSP rotation, however after SOC realized that LAX has never ground handled an A330, they took to 753 that was to fly MSP-SEA, and put that on MSP-LAX and sent the A330 to SEA where they already are familar with the A330, as they seen them on a daily basis from both NRT & AMS.


MSP-SEA gets sub-ed on a semi-regular basis, as said earlier, probably at least once a month, a lot more often than most other routes.
 
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting N808NW (Reply 14):
I see this happen about once a week. NW sends an A333 to SEA and all it dose is come right back...they did it with the DC-10 too a few times. its not for positioning or anything to do with the need of an A330 in SEA. if i were to guess id say it was there to get flight crews back and forth when there's no more room on the 753s.

Is this routing of the A333 due to a particular maintenance program requirement (i.e. non-ETOPS verification flight) following certain maintenance activity (simultaneous engine maintenance for example).

If this were the case I'd imagine that MSP-SEA would be a good selection (probably enough O&D to prevent the flight from being a total waste of fuel) while getting the A333 back in ETOPS service for NW pretty quickly (with this being a fairly short flight). According to the NWA website, this flight should return to MSP at about 17:30 (leaving plenty of time to continue on an international journey that evening).

This would be similar to the way US uses its A333s with one going to SJU and back (after a maintenance RON) before continuing to Europe that evening.

The A333 is one of my favorite airplanes. I wish more US carriers used them as they seem the perfect fit for midwest/eastern US to Europe.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
however after SOC realized that LAX has never ground handled an A330,

LAX has ground handled an A330 before. They shipped in an A332 from MSP to handle overflow from when NW1 went tech (was still a 742 then). Since NW was unable to ship nearly 400 seats to other carriers, they brought in an A332 to handle what they couldn't send over to other carriers.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 16):
The A333 is one of my favorite airplanes. I wish more US carriers used them as they seem the perfect fit for midwest/eastern US to Europe.

The A333 is a bit large for a lot of those routes and the 777s that US carriers do fly soak up the routes that are robust enough for the A333. The A332, on the other hand, is indeed tailor made for many markets, which is why the 789 is doing so well
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Tue May 01, 2007 7:16 am

On mspupdate.com, on the charter/diversion flight list it shows that it was an equipment upgrade from a 753.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Tue May 01, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
LAX has ground handled an A330 before. They shipped in an A332 from MSP to handle overflow from when NW1 went tech (was still a 742 then). Since NW was unable to ship nearly 400 seats to other carriers, they brought in an A332 to handle what they couldn't send over to other carriers.

Well I still think that LAX would not be as well suited to handle the A330. Does NW have the loading equipment and experience to easily do an A330? They could be asking rampers that have never worked on an A330 to do something that they normally don't do. That's not usually a good idea since it will increase the turnaround time and inexperience can always lead to problems.
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RE: SEA-MSP With The A333

Tue May 01, 2007 7:57 am

One would think since they handle a 744 daily, they should be able to handle an A330, and it would appear that they have based on one of the other posters. But nevertheless, they may not have enough ground crew familar with jet bridge operations, ground power hook-ups, tow-bars, push back procedures, knowledge of the cargo hold, etc, etc.

However, SEA sees multiple daily A330's and obviously has more experience with the aircraft so it makes more logical sense in that regard.

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