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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:21 am

I see in another thread an AN-12 flew from SeaTac to Los Cabos. Sounds like an engine ferry to me. Anyone with more info?
 
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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:31 am

There's a 737-900 that has been sitting down in SJD for two days or so waiting for a new engine. It's either N307AS or N317AS, I can't remember off the top of my head.
 
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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:35 am

Right on, thanks for the info!
 
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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:36 am

what led to this happening down in cabo, bird strike or something else occur? seems like AS mechanics would have planned differently to have this done up in SEA or elsewhere
 
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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 3):
seems like AS mechanics would have planned differently to have this done up in SEA or elsewhere

I think you can safely assume that it was something unexpected. Birdstrike (in the core), overtemp, who knows? Some events require a borescope inspection, and if it flunks, it flunks and then becomes a taco stand until the engine can be changed. A pity that you can't do a one engine-out ferry on a twin, like you can with a 3- or 4-engined bird...
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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:48 am

If I remember right it's a problem with a pump or something on the engine. The plane's been out of service for over 48 hours by now and I would think that if it could have been safely flown to LA or any other stateside city it would have been done by now as OPNLguy said.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:01 am

A chartered AN12 came into SEA last night to pick up the engine and ferry it down to SJD.
The 737-900 should be ready sometime Wednesday night/Thursday morning.
It was not a bird strike.
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:09 am

Quoting Asqx (Reply 5):
I would think that if it could have been safely flown to LA or any other stateside city it would have been done by now

Absolutely. You don't do an engine change at a non-maintenance station unless you have no other choice, especially if it's in another country. When I was at Air Florida, we did a couple of engine changes, in the Bahamas and in Jamaica, and molasses in January moves faster than the paperwork process for visas and the other red tape involved.
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RE: Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 6):
A chartered AN12 came into SEA last night to pick up the engine and ferry it down to SJD

I bet that will cost AS a pretty penny, but its not like they have a choice
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
A pity that you can't do a one engine-out ferry on a twin, like you can with a 3- or 4-engined bird...

Is the airplane incapable of taking off with one engine, or is it possible but just completely unsafe? My apologies for asking what I'm sure is a dumb question!
 
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RE: Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:42 am

With one engine inop on a 3- or 4-engined aircraft, you've lost 33% or 25% (respectively) of your engines, and you have 1 or 2 (respectively) left in case a second engine fails. (It doesn't happen often, but every once in awhile, it does. Eastern had a L1011 ferrying MEX-MIA on two engines some years ago, and they lost a second one just after takeoff. They were able to horse the thing back around for a landing on that one remaining engine, no small feat considering MEX's high sea level elevation and the heat.)

If one were to theoretically ferry a twin with one engine out, you've lost 50% of your engines. Irrespective of whether it would actually be able to get off the ground or not, you'd have zero redundancy. Should the remaining engine fail, you're going down, and quickly. Maintenance ferries are done without passengers onboard, but FAA regs also protect innocent folks on the ground.
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RE: Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?

Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 6):
A chartered AN12 came into SEA last night to pick up the engine and ferry it down to SJD.
The 737-900 should be ready sometime Wednesday night/Thursday morning.
It was not a bird strike.

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