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Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:42 pm

Hot from CX's staff, the NEW F and J seats!!!

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:44 pm

WOW thats really nice.... I really like the loo... you could really join the MHC in style in there.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:10 pm

Nice, but I don't know if I like the old brown fake wood and brown/grey seats in F class- its VERY 70s!

And the green and blue mixed with Grey is not appealing to the eye either....

Aesthetically It's not very well designed - unlike some of the newer cabins with cool colours, funky lighting etc! (Virgin, SQ, etc)
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:08 pm

I agreee not aesthestically pleaseing at all but probably comfortable!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:33 pm

Fabulous loo, but I preferred Cathay's old First Class product.

This one looks like an old IBM office from 1967.

All its missing is a typist named Midge and a computer large enough to fill Zone B of that 747.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:14 pm

The F just looks like QF with more cramped foot space. The new LCD is nice.

I still prefer the AA flagship suite. They need to update the IFE, but otherwise, the seat has more space than most other carriers.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:40 pm

oh CX has finally made its F to the what I call it "domino style", other than the more amazing SQ
The first impression is that the overall space is less then the old F (because of the hidden leg room)

Couples in J class can no longer sit together

but anyway I'm looking forward to be in it
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:44 pm

Business seats are perfect if you are traveling alone, don't want to interact with anybody, hate looking out a window and don't want to be reminded that you are on an airplane. Otherwise, it's pretty awful I think. Maybe they could just create a bunch of business sized shoe boxes and just stack the business passengers in and unstack them upon landing.

I think I'll pass on this configuration. I like being on an airplane and seeing the plane I'm riding in.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:36 pm

Very interesting to see how aeroplanes were appointed back in the 19th century! The screens must be a retrofit to the exhibit, though?

Thank goodness our modern designs have evolved since then. If we could only get our architects to go back in time...

Seriously, what is it with these bland and medicinal hues? A little bit of color goes a long way.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:40 pm

Cathay will be the first airline to put the"Virgin Atalantic" Business product along a First Class suite on the same plane. Virgin, Air Canada, Air New Zealand and Delta all offer the same BIZ Class seat with no First Class. I wonder if Cathay had to remove a few perks. ? I would still love to fly them to HKG.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:43 pm

hmm those laptops seem to be sitting nicely!! Are they coming with the seats???

Also those kinda biz class seats look very cramped and not very much room once in them.. Looks like you just have a seat with big walls around you!!

Love to toilet tho... I have always wondered why dont more airlines have windows in toilets. I mean its not like someone is going to see you!!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
Business seats are perfect if you are traveling alone, don't want to interact with anybody, hate looking out a window and don't want to be reminded that you are on an airplane

Unfortunately for enthusiasts, this is the majority market. They are not catering to people like us!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:47 pm

These new business class seats are really not for far people are they? I mean obesely fat  Smile They can never fit in there....
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:02 pm

First class looks pretty nice and inviting. The bathroom in first class is also pretty sweet. Those business class seats suck! I wouldn't want to buy a business class seat to be stuck in one of those sideways 'stalls' for several hours. Business class looks pretty cheap...
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:11 pm

If I ever have another opportunity to fly CX Business Class again and am seated in one of those green or blue monstrosities shown above, I will walk off the plane. The width of the seat is unnacceptable, the formica-wood looks cheesy, and what in the world are you supposed to look at if you do not have a window seat - two plastic-covered shoulder-high panels?

I hereby declare this as the great "Cathay Pacific Bob-Sled-Seat Fiasco".


Sorry, it just cannot compare to this:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...new/businessclass/seatfeatures.jsp

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 12):
These new business class seats are really not for far people are they? I mean obesely fat They can never fit in there....

They are wider than you think. I'm not a tiny guy and I fit into the Virgin suites just fine with room to spare. Now some 500 Lb. lardass won't fit but large folks will be ok. Hopefully they have improved the bed comfort because I was not a fan of the hardness the 1st gen VS seats had. I can honestly say they were some of the worst nights sleep I have ever had.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
This one looks like an old IBM office from 1967.

I'll grant you that on the F cabin. The J cabin looks like my AT&T office that was built in the late 80s. There are reasons why I never go to the office.  Wink

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 10):
Looks like you just have a seat with big walls around you!!

That was my other complaint about the VS suites. The walls were just a bit too high. While sitting upit was fine when you went to lie down the airflow disappears and it gets stuffy in there. I could be wrong but I swear the walls are lower on the suites that Delta and Air Canada are putting in.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:56 pm

Could do without the cheap formica but you'd better get used to that kind of biz seating. Already in use with VS, NZ, AC, 9W and DL will soon have them.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:00 pm

Any photos of the new Y class seats? They're certainly rather different from current ones!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:03 pm

What about seat maps? I've heard different things on how the F seats are configured.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 17):
Any photos of the new Y class seats? They're certainly rather different from current ones!

The new Y seats haven't been fitted yet. The next 747 to be reconfigured will have them though.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:23 pm

I have to say -- not that I've ever been in such an establishment (ahem) -- but the business seats look a bit like those booths in adult bookstores. Where's the slot for the quarters?

Oh those nasty businessmen!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:25 pm

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:41 pm

Well, well, well.....if being sandwiched sideways in that tight prison cell between two high walls staring across the aisle at the shoes or stinkin' feet of the guy on the opposite side and having to twist one's neck muscles to the point of injury to get a decent outside view thru the window is what CX calls their "new" Biz Class, then I'd gladly give a pass.

Suddenly, the "old fashioned" biz class seats at CX (what the heck, even at other airlines) feels so much more inviting.

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:51 pm

I saw other First and Business Class that looks better...

On May 7, I will fly from LHR to HKG in a Boeing 747-400. Any chance to fly in a refurbished "F" and "J" class plane? When will CX finish the total refurbishment of it's fleet.

If I fly with a refurbished one, I will try to explain in a trip report....

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:57 am

What aircraft type are these fitted in pls?
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:11 am

Cathay Pacific

"We are among the first airlines to have put rice cookers, toasters and skillets on board*, enabling our flight attendants to prepare freshly cooked rice, toast and eggs. First Class passengers can now go à la carte and choose their own meals and dine anytime they wish. Hmm, how about having fried eggs, sunny-side up?
* Available in all our B747's and will be progressively installed in our A340's."

That's nice. Just make sure your nice to the FA making your eggs....

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:11 am

The new F and J seating does look quite drab. It still blows any US carrier out of the water though! The new Y product though looks pretty nice for Y. The fixed seat back is a great feature because it will allow you to work on your laptop without worrying about the guy infront of you reclining!  Smile
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:15 am

It looks nice and nothing more than that unfortunately. After seeing the new F-class from Jet Airways, it's hard for me to be impressed by new inflight products  wink 
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
Maybe they could just create a bunch of business sized shoe boxes and just stack the business passengers in and unstack them upon landing.

I think I'll pass on this configuration. I like being on an airplane and seeing the plane I'm riding in.

Agree... are business travellers are now more considered as sardines in a better outfit with ties and suits ?
Anyway, for those who are suffering claustrophobia, CX new biz seats (as well as AC, DL) won't help... even the first class product is still a shoe box, no airy feeling (and strangely looks like SQ biz product)...
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:21 am

Horrible business class: bad choice of colors, cramped. I just don't like that hering bone seating - or whatever the kids call them these days.

How very very disappointing
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting Den346 (Reply 26):
The new F and J seating does look quite drab. It still blows any US carrier out of the water though!

A naive statement from someone who's never actually flown international F on AA or UA I suppose. Other than the large IFE screen (it's a new retrofit, after all), the F does NOT blow them out of the water.

DL's new J is better looking and the same function, and other carriers will follow with full flat mini-suites, at least in SkyTeam.

Service is different. I'm sure it's fantastic. But the ugly, ill formed seats on CX look like they will cause anyone with broad shoulders severe pain over a long flight. On 1/2 of their body at least?
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 23):
Any chance to fly in a refurbished "F" and "J" class plane?

Most probably not.

It's only the one 747-400 so far... (B-HKT, former SQ)

It's due to start operating CX's routes early may, but on regional sectors first. Supposedly, it'll then start operating long haul routes, mainly FRA.

The next one to go through surgery is B-HOT. According to the Dir. of Ops., the 'Olympus' config is a work in progress and slight improvements and modifications will be made on the next aircrafts to go through the refurbishing as needed...
" The Engineering team have already noted close to 200 minor changes to be incorporated into the next aircraft, HOT, and it probably won’t be until the third or fourth aircraft until all of the certifications and approvals are in place to be able to deliver the finished product."

The overall capacity has also gone down a bit from the earlier configuration and one less flight attendant will be carried.

The coach seats are still the same, they will be changed later on.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:15 am

I like the window in the john. EK's 340-500's have one in the F/C john, love it but amazing how many people pull the shade.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Toptravel (Reply 32):
EK's 340-500's have one in the F/C john, love it but amazing how many people pull the shade.

OK Superman, stop with the peeping tom bit at FL. Besides, how the heck do you know this?
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 14):
Sorry, it just cannot compare to this:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...s.jsp

I have to agree with you there! I would have assumed that CX wanted to meet SQ in their product offering to maintain a co-existence in that level of quality but alas, not to be.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
Hopefully they have improved the bed comfort because I was not a fan of the hardness the 1st gen VS seats had.

agreed, seat is very hard. I'm not overweight but i found the virgin seats not to be all that narrow but they were very hard.

I've also flown CX F on the JFK-YVR run often and I found their F seats to be hard as well. Hope these are a little softer.

Overall, I agree with the posts - the color scheme seems drab from these pictures and the herringbone falls way short of SQ and BA in my opinion. Some people don't like facing backwards on BA, but the seat is superior in my opinion and as someone who travels in J/C with their spouse, I would like the option of sitting together (or at least seeing each other).

btw - when does CX start to get their 77W's?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 14):
If I ever have another opportunity to fly CX Business Class again and am seated in one of those green or blue monstrosities shown above, I will walk off the plane. The width of the seat is unnacceptable, the formica-wood looks cheesy, and what in the world are you supposed to look at if you do not have a window seat - two plastic-covered shoulder-high panels?

I hereby declare this as the great "Cathay Pacific Bob-Sled-Seat Fiasco".


Sorry, it just cannot compare to this:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...s.jsp

I think the singaporeair pictures is very misleading... I have seen other pictures (can't find it now, but will post the links once I have found them again) where the seat pitch (distance between seat) of their new business class is actually very close together... try looking at the seat pitch after the first 2 rows from the offical SQ photos, you will see the pitch is much smaller then what it is actually will be... very cheeky marketing that SQ is doing to give a false sense of extra space... And the SQ seat actually turns into a bed that you will be sleeping at an angle and you will need to get out of the seat to fold the seat back forward to turn it into a bed... hence the new SQ business class seat in the sleeping position is very similar to the harringbone design, the seat will only be different when you are seating upright and that you will be seating forward instead... but because of this design, you will now have the LCD monitor and the back of the seat in front of you that is kinda in your face in a very close distance... so you will still feels like you have walls all around you! May even feel worse than the harringbone design... so I highly doubted the new SQ J class will be that much better than the harringbone design.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Wowpeter (Reply 35):
I think the singaporeair pictures is very misleading... I have seen other pictures (can't find it now, but will post the links once I have found them again) where the seat pitch (distance between seat) of their new business class is actually very close together... try looking at the seat pitch after the first 2 rows from the offical SQ photos, you will see the pitch is much smaller then what it is actually will be... very cheeky marketing that SQ is doing to give a false sense of extra space

While Singapore might be "maximizing" their space with trick angles and fisheye lenses in order to make the seat pitch appear larger, a wide seat is still a wide seat, not the Bob-Sled / Coffin design shown above.

Singapore New Business facing forward from the seat position:


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Singapore New Business sleeping configuration:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...es/exp/eot/new/business_seat_2.jpg

No matter how you look at it, Singapore looks much more comfortable.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting RoyalAtlantis (Reply 34):
btw - when does CX start to get their 77W's?

Their first 77W I think is being delivered in September
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
A naive statement from someone who's never actually flown international F on AA or UA I suppose. Other than the large IFE screen (it's a new retrofit, after all), the F does NOT blow them out of the water.

umm... i actually have flown in UA's international first suite multiple times thank you very much! it is nice and comfortable but it is starting to show its age. No avod, very small ptv screens, reading lights that always have some tape on them and half the time work, and a lot of wear and tear on fixtures around the seat.

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
A naive statement from someone who's never actually flown international F on AA or UA I suppose. Other than the large IFE screen (it's a new retrofit, after all), the F does NOT blow them out of the water.



Quoting Den346 (Reply 38):
umm... i actually have flown in UA's international first suite multiple times thank you very much! it is nice and comfortable but it is starting to show its age. No avod, very small ptv screens, reading lights that always have some tape on them and half the time work, and a lot of wear and tear on fixtures around the seat.

Your right Den! Most any foreign airliner's first product blows UA and especially AA out of the water. (to Ikramerica, i also have flow international first, your most likely not the only one to ever get an upgrade on UA. Doubt those seats were designed solely for you.) With the exception of the seat, which is short and if you get one that works, it kinda sucks. I would much rather fly NZ international in COACH than UA in business or first. The US carriers have A LOT of catching up to do. This is why I always recommend to people to fly on international carriers as much as they can.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:29 am

Agreed, I have not had a chance to fly in the herringbone config, but I am not impatient at all! And those colors, yuck!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:22 am

Not so great, though the toilet is brilliant! On the subject of SQ seats, is it me or is there not enough to distinguish F and J?
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:22 am

Just one little observation...

...sometimes the best colors/fabrics to sit in are not necessarily the most photogenic. Likewise the impression of narrow space is dependent on how the photograph was taken. The first class seats, for example, look like a weave of blue, gray and taupe; it might be very handsome in person. I think that a calm, harmonious color might be preferable on a thirteen hour flight.

I'd be curious to hear what YLWbased has to say about the seats given he's seen them in person, or so I'm assuming these are his photographs.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:30 am

Well, I happen to like the first class layout (from the little I see). Business class doesn't look that great. The diagonal layout is something which I haven't experienced. I wonder how accomodating that is when an FA is trying to give you/me something (a glass of OJ, for example) - that looks like a bit of a reach, almost as if the FA is reaching for the middle of a 3-seat straight-across configuration. Also, the FA (assuming the FA is at the pax right hand when servicing said passenger) would have to put up with any stinky feet emanating from the passenger to his/her left. "Oh, excuse me, I didn't mean to bump into your crusty, sock feet". Lav looks spacious. Wide berth for a seat, that's good. I'd like to see a bathroom, though, where I can get on the floor and do pushups and situps - if I'm going to be in an a/c for several hours, I'd like to do more than just get up and stretch my legs. Just my    . All in all, not bad, I'd say.

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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:52 am

Man thats really nice. If only i had the money  Sad
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:27 am

The white balance on those photos needs adjusting - the photos are actually quite poor - with apologies to the one who took them. It looks like they were taken from a camera phone.

You can't actually see how the fabric design is and what the true amount of legroom is.

The other thing - one poster mentioned that they would sore shoulders sitting in it. If you look carefully, the design is carefully worked so that the seat in front of you has a rounded back so that you have more shoulder room. Notice in the first business class picture, just to the left of the power point that the seat actually curves away from your seat so that shoulder and headroom is actually "INCREASED". The innate design of the herringbone shape is that your shoulder and headroom is not restricted by the suite in front of you. The angle actually means that your head and shoulder room is increased by quite a large margin. Look at the configuration that BA has in F and translate that to smaller suites for CX J and you'll see what I mean.

Some of you have just taken one glance at the pictures and haven't looked at them carefully enough.
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:33 am

Looks great. Wonder if I'll ever be able to fly on it..
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting Wowpeter (Reply 35):
And the SQ seat actually turns into a bed that you will be sleeping at an angle and you will need to get out of the seat to fold the seat back forward to turn it into a bed... hence the new SQ business class seat in the sleeping position is very similar to the harringbone design

Looking at CX new First Class seat. It seems that the passenger will also be sleeping diagonally. (See position of the foot stool). Legs will be wedged into the little cubby space.


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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:45 am

while everyone's having a pissing contest, did anyone else find it interesting to see the 3 point belt in both the J and Y class pictures?

They mention added securiting on take off etc..... Hmmm........ do they know something we don't? lol.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific New F And J Seats (With Photos)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 48):
They mention added securiting on take off etc..... Hmmm........ do they know something we don't? lol.

It's required because of the potential for a serious head-strike if the belt is not installed. The new J-Class is unusually slanted so your head could strike the partition. The Y class has an immovable back in front of you which cannot absorb a head strike unlike the older traditional seats. The F-class on CX doesn't need the shoulder belt because the objects you can strike with your head are far enough away. (But I still think they should have installed it in F so that everyone is the same...you wouldn't need to print different brace positions on the safety card or demonstrate different ones in the safety video. )

The VS upper class product and AC Executive class, also herringbone design, use air bags in the seat belt rather than a 3-point seatbelt.
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