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Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:48 pm

Kids between 0 and 11 years will fly for 0 € nett , All charges included !

Great offer by LH !

http://konzern.lufthansa.com/de/html...n/app/show/de/2007/04/1375/HOM&s=0

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[Edited 2007-04-27 12:02:00]
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:17 pm

Oh no! This is really bad news!!! I'm waiting for an airline to ban kids & babies, not encourage more of the little blighters....!! Is this the final nail in the coffin of civilised travel as we used to know it??!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!  gnasher 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:57 pm

thanks for the warning! Just a real good reason for me to avoid them. I am not an FF and don't travel often, but for people who travel on business, this is not good news: more disruption onboard from 90% of the children who continue to be totally undisciplined and unsupervised by their parents.
On each flight this past year that I have been on, I have been the victim of undisciplined and unruly children. While I realize that there is virtually nothing I can do about it, apart from silent tolerance on my part, it doesn't warm my heart to think that the percentage of children onboard constantly grows higher.
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:08 pm

I just remember my 3 hour flight BSL to SAW on easyJet with lots of kids...they hanged on the overhead bins, climbed over seats with no respect of other people sitting there, were running through the cabin and began to scream like crazy during the rest of the flight.

I have nothing against kids at all...but the less kids onboard the more comfortable it is for the others...

[Edited 2007-04-27 16:10:05]
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:34 am

Es ist auf Deutsch und ich kann es nicht lesen  Sad
Since the article is in german and my german is not that good....I am guessing this is only for EU flights only???
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:42 am

Taxes are not included they have to be payed extra:

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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 4):
Es ist auf Deutsch und ich kann es nicht lesen

Ja, es ist auf Deutsch und ich brauch es auf English.

Schade, nicht?
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:52 am

Yikes! I'm never silent with unruly children. My wife and I have no problem confronting the parents and the children if need be. I refuse to sit on a flight with out of control kids. A while back there was a family kicked off an airline before it even took off in Florida. The kids would not get in their seats and behave. The parents were upset and it was on every news channel. My wife said i'm flying them for now on. Problem was the airliner does not handle Houston.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:59 am

I guess LH is trying to increase the number of families who fly with them. Start off the Loyalty when their young  Wink
I think that most families now fly AB or TUIfly, and of course FR for vacation in Europe anyways.

Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 7):
Problem was the airliner does not handle Houston.

Which airline is that?
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:11 am

To all you guys I understand you're pain about kids, and one thing I dont like is not being able enoy the quiet. however as a father myself one thing I always taught my children is to be on they're best behavior in public places. So in short my daughter for example will never start crying or acting up just because of no reason.

The only reason I can think thats acceptable for children to cry is infants that are experiancing pressure changes, and uncontrollable situations. On my last flight from SAN-OAK, OAK-RNO my 7 yr old daughter was great. I gave her the window seat she, and she enjoyed the whole flight not one peep out of her.

But as parents I think you do you're part the best that you can. So if you're child kicks the seat in front screams for no reason, wont stay seated during takeoff etc.. then theres no excuse and its at the airlines discretion what to do. Its just a shame other parents that dont discipline have built a reputation for the ones that do discipline they're kids.

I do know there are some parents that do discipline however the child may not have been feeling good, or other unforseen events causing them to cry.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 5):
Taxes are not included they have to be payed extra:

In other words, nothing special at all.

E-fares are somerhing like EUR 10-30+++++ these days on LH, big deal if they drop the EUR 2 IN90 or EUR 14 CH fare itself...
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:20 am

Would this work for ORD-FRA for instance, or only within Europe? I read German only so-so, and couldn't discern the answer on my own (nor with automated translation software).
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 11):
Would this work for ORD-FRA for instance, or only within Europe?

Its only within europe and a an adult has to be with them... And it is for free plus taxes  Wink so not 100% free  Wink

Cargo flying is much better  Wink

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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 9):
To all you guys I understand you're pain about kids, and one thing I dont like is not being able enoy the quiet. however as a father myself one thing I always taught my children is to be on they're best behavior in public places. So in short my daughter for example will never start crying or acting up just because of no reason.

The only reason I can think thats acceptable for children to cry is infants that are experiancing pressure changes, and uncontrollable situations. On my last flight from SAN-OAK, OAK-RNO my 7 yr old daughter was great. I gave her the window seat she, and she enjoyed the whole flight not one peep out of her.

But as parents I think you do you're part the best that you can. So if you're child kicks the seat in front screams for no reason, wont stay seated during takeoff etc.. then theres no excuse and its at the airlines discretion what to do. Its just a shame other parents that dont discipline have built a reputation for the ones that do discipline they're kids.

I do know there are some parents that do discipline however the child may not have been feeling good, or other unforseen events causing them to cry.

Very well said. As a father, I also totally agree with you.
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 8):
Which airline is that?

I believe it was Airtran.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 9):
To all you guys I understand you're pain about kids, and one thing I dont like is not being able enoy the quiet. however as a father myself one thing I always taught my children is to be on they're best behavior in public places. So in short my daughter for example will never start crying or acting up just because of no reason.

The only reason I can think thats acceptable for children to cry is infants that are experiancing pressure changes, and uncontrollable situations. On my last flight from SAN-OAK, OAK-RNO my 7 yr old daughter was great. I gave her the window seat she, and she enjoyed the whole flight not one peep out of her.

But as parents I think you do you're part the best that you can. So if you're child kicks the seat in front screams for no reason, wont stay seated during takeoff etc.. then theres no excuse and its at the airlines discretion what to do. Its just a shame other parents that dont discipline have built a reputation for the ones that do discipline they're kids.

I do know there are some parents that do discipline however the child may not have been feeling good, or other unforseen events causing them to cry.

There is a huge difference between a child who is in discomfort, then a child who is running and screaming all over the plane! Parents must have control over their children. There is no excuse for children acting like monkeys on a 9 hour flight. I remember I had a flight from Houston to Los Angeles. I had isle seat. A mother and her daughter sat next to me. This little girl was about five years old. She was a great kid most of the flight. All of the sudden she started crying and screaming. I knew something was wrong with her, because my sinuses were killing me also. Her mom threaten to beat her black and blue. The mom apologized over and over to me. I told her there was no need and that her daughter was in discomfort. Luckily she had some children's Tylenol and the kid fell asleep after a 15 minute span. She explained to me how her husband would have taken their little girl to the lavatory and dropped her britches for an old fashion whipping. She said he had done this several times. I explained that it might be her sinuses or even her teeth.

Bottom line as a parent, you have to make every effort to handle your children. It sounds like your one of the few!
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:35 am

When i was going from MCO-PVD some kids were behind me. They kicked the seat the whole flight. The flight was a 7 A.M. flight, and we had to get up at 3 A.M. I wanted to sit behind them and kick the seat for 3 hours.
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:19 am

God, a thread about kids traveling for free and all I read is rant after rant about how much you all hate kids. I can only conclude you all had miserable childhoods!!! What a miserable bunch of spoiled air travelers you are. I have two kids and they travel great, cause no problems and really look forward to the flight, its exciting for them just as it was when I was their age. Lighten up  Smile Good for LH I say. For those that don't remember most airlines used to let kids fly half price at least and sometimes free, this is not a new concept. It would make me travel more simply because it now costs me less.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting Jasond (Reply 17):
God, a thread about kids traveling for free and all I read is rant after rant about how much you all hate kids. I can only conclude you all had miserable childhoods!!! What a miserable bunch of spoiled air travelers you are. I have two kids and they travel great, cause no problems and really look forward to the flight, its exciting for them just as it was when I was their age. Lighten up Smile Good for LH I say. For those that don't remember most airlines used to let kids fly half price at least and sometimes free, this is not a new concept. It would make me travel more simply because it now costs me less.

Well i know it may seem like a rant, but not all kids are ignorant on flights. glad to hear yours are. At least there is some hope that some are, but most of these people are talking about ignorant kids who's parents don;t care what they do.
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 18):
Well i know it may seem like a rant, but not all kids are ignorant on flights. glad to hear yours are. At least there is some hope that some are, but most of these people are talking about ignorant kids who's parents don;t care what they do.

Some things to consider:

1) The vast majority of kids are normal, well behaved individuals, period;
2) Traveling is exciting, an adventure for them, they look forward to it and as a positive experience it should be encouraged, thats why I congratulate LH, well done.
3) Don't blame the kids, blame the parents, its their responsibility clearly;
4) Self respect and respect go hand in hand. If you don't respect yourself then how can you respect others. Without shoving it down their throats I teach my kids both those things in equal measure and it shows.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:43 am

Next time you fly take a rope with you and start a lynching party on the plane, I'm sure lots of people would join in... just lynch any unruly kids.
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:05 pm

Many people here seem to forget that some time ago they were kids as well!  Smile

Honestly, most of the kids I've had seating behind or besides me during a flight have behaved very well. They usually are excited and amused about flying, so they tend to be more alert to things, and being occupied, they don't disturb the others. But that's just my experience. Judging from other members, some kids seem pretty wild! But I'd blame the parents you know... it's their responsibility to look after their children and make sure they don't cause trouble.

Now, if the problem comes from babies crying due to discomfort, well there's nothing you can do, and you shouldn't be complaining about it. It's just the way it is. Same thing as when babies are teething, or when they have headaches, etc etc. It's the way in which they show they're not ok...

I think this is a great move for LH. Cause you know that together with that kid that flies for "free", comes an adult, who probably pays quite a lot to be on that plane. So, it's a great move to improve revenue and at the same time gain some passengers from the low-costs or leisure airlines.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:07 pm

One time someone was kicking the back of my seat, so I looked back expecting a child to be seated behind (I didn't pay attention to who was behind me when we boarded). Guess what, it was an adult. BTW, there was a child, maybe 8-10 next to him who I assume was his son. He never once hit the back of my mom's seat. Thankfully, the stare I gave him stopped him after he did it a third time.
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:30 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12):

Cargo flying is much better

So are you saying that unruly kids should be shipped to their destination?  bigthumbsup 


Just kidding.  Wink

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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 4):
Since the article is in german and my german is not that good....I am guessing this is only for EU flights only???



Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 6):
Ja, es ist auf Deutsch und ich brauch es auf English.

Schade, nicht?

Nur fur Europa und Deutschland.

Mein Deutsch ist auch sehr schlecht.  Sad
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:13 pm

Kids on board aren't that much a pain in the butt as some other pax. Luckily most kids are fascinated with planes and travelling, you just need to keep them busy. You can't really always blame the kids for being the way they are. It's mostly the parents who are completely left alone with all their handluggage, their kids, short connections blabla....tough to always keep your eyes on your kid in such a situation.

what's even worse than kids or babys is having a group on board, as I did yesterday. Flight from MAD to DUS. A Spanish rugby-team. It was horrible. 50 people, most of them older than 18yrs. Yelling, singing, standing in the aisles, drinking coke, beer and wine. Getting louder and louder throughout he flight. We've talked to the coach, we've a sked them about 3 times to reduce their noise, as they were not the only travellers on board. They were seated in the last 8 rows, B735, still my colleagues could hear them all the way to the front, inflight. After service we dimmed the cabin, hoping for them to calm down, take a nap or something. But no, it got worse. During approach on DUS, I even had a plastic-bottle fly into my rear galley, not roll, fly. Somebody tried to throw at me obviously. Later on, after deboarding, we did our lost-and-found-check. What we found was that 3 life-vests could not be found, gone, taken, stolen.

You see, there are far more annoying things than noisy kids. Maybe someone should start a unruly-thread. I think we will hear many nice stories there. And babys/kids might only bring along 15% of the posts, I'm sure.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 25):
Kids on board aren't that much a pain in the butt as some other pax. Luckily most kids are fascinated with planes and travelling, you just need to keep them busy. You can't really always blame the kids for being the way they are. It's mostly the parents who are completely left alone with all their handluggage, their kids, short connections blabla....tough to always keep your eyes on your kid in such a situation.

Yea I remember when I was a kid I always got so LH metal toy planes , I loved it ! But most of time time I looked out of the window  Smile
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:20 pm

Ha, ha, ha, I just knew that a mild rant about kids would have indignant parents jumping up to defend the fine breeding of their offspring! Fair enough!  Smile I was a good child too, as far as I can recall, but I still object to having to share a premium cabin with a crying baby for 8 hours (I suspect that sentiment was shared by the mother).

Yes, disorderly conduct is a growing issue, possibly increasing year on year at a similar rate to the decline in average seat prices (now there's a contentious claim!!!). It's up to airlines to take a firm stand, and I know that BA will not hesitate to prosecute passengers who it feels are disruptive - maybe an EU-wide (I can't see a Worldwide measure being workable) mechanism for dealing with such behaviour, such as a ban on ALL European flights for a specific time, would act in some way as a deterrent, but it would be difficult to apply this to children, unless you apply it to the family as a whole, which may come unstuck in the courts.

Nevertheless, back to a not-quite-so-tongue-in-cheek point in my original reply (reply1) - is there any airline that has a 'no babies' policy for its premium cabins...? Or a lower age limit? I used to think that BA had something like this, but it was in the Club World upper deck of a BA flight that the above incident occured, so obviously not...

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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:41 pm

Before we fly with our now six year old son we do some serious planning. We pack a bag with snacks and surprise books and activities for our son to play with. We solved the seat kicking issue by having my son sit with my wife behind me. That way when he does accidentally kick the seat I'm the only one bothered. We also have used the portable DVD player with new DVD's he hasn't seen before. He's usually the quietest passenger around.

On one flight back when snacks were served on board we all got chocolate pudding. My son spent 30 minutes getting every bit of pudding out of the cup. He then spent another 30 minutes eating my wife's pudding and wanted more. He was well behaved, but the passenger across the aisle heard this conversation and offered his pudding for our son. He joked that if all it took to keep kids quiet on a plane was pudding he would start packing it in his carry on to hand out on board.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting Jasond (Reply 19):

Some things to consider:

1) The vast majority of kids are normal, well behaved individuals, period;
2) Traveling is exciting, an adventure for them, they look forward to it and as a positive experience it should be encouraged, thats why I congratulate LH, well done.
3) Don't blame the kids, blame the parents, its their responsibility clearly;
4) Self respect and respect go hand in hand. If you don't respect yourself then how can you respect others. Without shoving it down their throats I teach my kids both those things in equal measure and it shows.

Yes thats the majority of kids. The other ones are the ones who climb all over the plane, aggravating passengers; while the parents just sit there and do nothing about it,
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:12 pm

Sometimes the parents won't only not do anything about the bad behaviour of there kids but they will defend there kids. Once I was on a 12 hour red-eye and and a kid was sitting next to me was yelling, screaming and behaving badly, when he finished his food and decided he was still hungry he took my food and when I was trying to take it back his mother yelled at me and basicly told me her kid can do anything he wants and she doesn't care.
 
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:41 pm

Quoting PureKiwi (Reply 30):
he was still hungry he took my food and when I was trying to take it back his mother yelled at me and basicly told me her kid can do anything he wants and she doesn't care.

haha but not all are like this , if you see people of a bit higher niveau , they don´t do that ...
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RE: Kids To Fly For Free On Lufthansa

Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:58 pm

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 1):


Oh no! This is really bad news!!! I'm waiting for an airline to ban kids & babies, not encourage more of the little blighters....!! Is this the final nail in the coffin of civilised travel as we used to know it??!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! gnasher

Well this should result in more kids flying on LH, so for you it's just to choose anything but LH and you should be set.  Smile