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A Question For The Pro Pilots And Those Inspiring.

Tue Aug 01, 2000 10:24 am

i'd like to get feedback from all the who made itinto a career and those who are trying. my story is my lifelong dream was to fly for the airlines, so i took flying lessons at age 16. i got my Private, Instrument and Commercial tickets and had a couple of lessons in toward my CFI. i spent all i made on flying and lived at home and at age 23, it fell apart. i moved away from home with a girl and then only could afford to fly enough to stay current. soon i just couldn't see spending the $ to keep myself current and now it's been a few years since i've been current. i've lost memory of all the detailed stuff i once new, like weight & balance, FARS, etc. I still fly every so often with a friend and am more skilled than him under IFR and acting like a pro, instead of his "seat of the pants" attitude towards flying. i know it's too late now to go start instructing and re-learn everything again. every day though i go to a job i don't like and try to ignore the fact that i'm not where i set out to be.To all those who made it, tell me how you got where you are.To those trying or some who may have too "given up" on a airline career, tell me why it didn't work out. Thanks for your imput, Jeff
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RE: A Question For The Pro Pilots And Those Inspiring.

Tue Aug 01, 2000 10:55 am

The only reason it doesn't work out is if you give up. It may sound cold but it's the truth. You made decisions in your life that weren't goal oriented.

I only made it due to shear determaination. I wasn't going to look back at my life saying "I should have done this or that.

I was 28 when I landed my first position as a DC8 FE. I got my liscences at 19 and didn't fly again until I was 26. I got sick of wasting my life. I got motivated and got my F/E ticket. The job search is difficult with little experience it's being at the right place at the right time. The job market is the best it's ever been for pilots. NOW is the time. Go instruct for 8 months and go to a commuter. Eat Burger King for breakfast lunch and dinner. But you'll feel good about yourself.

It's quite pathetic to hear your story. If you want something go out and get it. Or join the 99.9% club who dislike their daily job. You have one time around don't make mistakes you'll pay for during the course of your existance here. You're young and you'll be around a while.

It's NEVER too late. You're looking for a way to comfort yourself. To accept what you never became.

I hope you get off your ass and do something Jeff. Your father and I are very dissapointed.

RE: A Question For The Pro Pilots And Those Inspiring.

Tue Aug 01, 2000 11:48 am

JETPILOT beat me to the punch here.

(1). Go out and buy the 2000 FAR/AIM by ASA. It will set you back $16.00. I think Borders and Barnes and Nobles have it if you don't want to drive out to the FBO. If you are real lazy and want to spend time feeling sorry for yourself more, you can order it off Amazon. ISBN 1-56027-327-0. Review the Suggested Study list on pp xi--xiv. This will be your first step.

(2). Don't necessarily quit your day job at Ralph's, yet. Get your ass out to the FBO and introduce yourself to the Chief Flight Instructor. Bring your logbooks. Bring a good attitude. Maybe the FBO will hire you as a part-time fueler or a ramper. This will give you a big discount as you get re-current. Also, you never know whose Cherokee 140 you might be fueling--it may just be John Smith's from UPS, and he may write you a letter of rec in a couple of years. Let the flying service know your goals. I would bet you any money they are looking for instructors. If xxx Flying Service has what they need, yyy on the other side of the flight line is hurting. It's a revolving door and the job market is there. You need to build up your hours, they need teachers. Hmmmm... maybe they just might work with you!

(3). If you don't want to go the CFI route, there are all sorts of schools with flow-throughs to the regionals. You pay, but you get an interview. Get a student loan. You are well ahead of the game, you won't have to ab-initio like the rest.

(4). All this "I'm too old" crap is just that: C-R-A-P. I fly with an F/O, for instance, who is 45, and upgrading next month. He took his first flying lesson at age 34.

(5). Next thing to is get into back into the flying mindset. Get out your whiz-wheel, your old manuals, and sectionals. Bring them to work and study them on the crapper and during breaks. Start thinking of yourself as a pilot and not a grocer. Your job at Ralph's is now just a means of getting you back into the cockpit. Start coming up with your financial plan. Hell, you work at Ralphs, stock up on the Ramen noodles. Get yourself the ATP book while you're at it too.

(6). Get a first class medical. Seventy-five bucks.

(7). MAN! This is the fourth time that I am plugging this.....Doug Taylor. Go to his site. http://www.jetcareers.com. Get a subscription to AirINC.

(8). I don't know where you are hours wise, but I do know that there are regionals that may consider you if you have 500tt with 100me. From what it sounds like you could be anywhere from 9--18 months away from flying the line.

(9). Lastly, I am sorry to be harsh. I worked at an FBO as a ramper and front desk bitch in my spare time in college. Flew in the military. I saw a lot of instructors. The ones with the good attitudes that I keep in touch with fly for: (UPS[DC-8Capt], Northwest[757fo], and my flight instructor there is a capt on Amazon jets for American Eagle). The one with a poor mouth and bad attitude is flying King Aires for a paper company. Get rid of your sad attitude and start thinking positive and what could be. Fly a good heading and you'll get where you want and have fun in the process.

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RE: A Question For The Pro Pilots And Those Inspiring.

Tue Aug 01, 2000 2:01 pm

I agree with JETPILOT and DC-9CAPT whole-heartedly. You are merely feeling sorry for yourself when you could be out there doing what it takes to reach your lifelong goal of commercial flying. There have been people who have been in your situation, if not worse, who have had to scrape the bottom of the barrel (or have entered the military) to make their dreams become a reality. It's like exercising...there isn't a good enough excuse not to.

Let us all know what you decide.

Aviation is proof that, given the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
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RE: A Question For The Pro Pilots And Those Inspiring.

Tue Aug 01, 2000 4:59 pm

thanks for the honest opinions you've given. i do have regrets about not being where i want but "i don't feel sorry for myself"! i need back the attitude i used to have, as i was motivated aboutONLY becoming an airline pilot. i have 320 hrs w/approx. 50 IFR. I've heard that Ameriflight cargo at BUR and ONT is hiring requiring 500 hrs TT and no multi time. thanks again for making me start to think of it as a possibility again. Jeff

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