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NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:22 am

Ship 5646 flying as NW9761 DTW-FRA tonight 04/27/07 at 2230. It's parked at A50 it DTW.....

[Edited 2007-04-28 03:25:37]
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:39 am

I think the bigger test will be how well it does on FRA-DTW!
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:50 am

Quoting Chugach (Reply 1):
I think the bigger test will be how well it does on FRA-DTW!

There's a reason it's a seasonal flight...
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:13 am

It is operating as NW 9761
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:07 pm

Does this test flight come complete with passengers and cargo or is it just a few important people and the cockpit crew and their gear?
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:05 pm

Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 4):
Does this test flight come complete with passengers and cargo or is it just a few important people and the cockpit crew and their gear?

I'm sure it won't have actual scheduled ordinary passengers for a test flight. However, it could have employee groups or payloads to simulate passengers. I'm not sure about that one.
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:11 pm

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
Ship 5646 flying as NW9761 DTW-FRA tonight 04/27/07 at 2230. It's parked at A50 it DTW.....

That is a lot of mileage for a 753. I thought the range of the 757 was somewhere withing in 4,000 mile range. I think a 762 or 763 would be more sutable for this flight.
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:04 pm

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753. I thought the range of the 757 was somewhere withing in 4,000 mile range. I think a 762 or 763 would be more sutable for this flight.

NW doesn't have either of these.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:06 pm

What proof do you have? I don't believe you!!

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Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:13 pm

Wow... I still can't believe it! A 757 on FRA-DTW! I'm sorry, I know a lot of you think its great that the 757 is going transatlantic, and from BOS/EWR, etc. it's tolerable, but FRA-DTW has got to be almost 9 hours!

Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 5):
I'm sure it won't have actual scheduled ordinary passengers for a test flight.

what exactly is the point of a test flight

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

why?? they both have two englines(at least the 767/77/a330
comfort problems = fixed by reconfiguring the aircraft
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 10):
why?? they both have two englines(at least the 767/77/a330
comfort problems = fixed by reconfiguring the aircraft

That was something I wasn't aware of... How will a transatlantic 757 with NW be configured compared to the normal domestic 757?
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753

I think it can do it. CO often needs to fuel stop someplace, so I am sure that other than when they have perfect weather conditions, NW will be fuel stopping on this flight.

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody

IIRC the seat pitch on the 757 is about the same as on NW's A330s. Really not that different from a widebody...........
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:47 pm

Yeah, well I am facing (albeit with mixed ffelings) my first transatlantic flight on a 757 in August (EWR-CGN). I still don't buy that it's the same as a widebody ride since on a widebody you can at least maneuver your way around the service carts, if desired and there is more room to walk around (I like to walk a few circles on a long flight before/after using the lavs). The seat pitch is the smallest problem IMHO, the three-abreast seating puts me off more (why I try to avoid T7s and 747s).
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:02 pm

An update - NWA9761 has made is accross the Pond , she's flying over South Wales, UK (as I type) at 41,000ft
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

True, but this aircraft is a 757-200.
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:19 pm

Do the airlines still use technical stops? It was explained to me as effectively two flight plans. The first was to a destination that is well within the aircraft's range, so in this case perhaps Shannon, and the second is the desired destination. The crew then evaluates the flight as it approaches the "technical" destination and if everything still looks good, activates the second flight plan and continues to the final destination.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

The upper deck of a 747 is a single aisle. I really don't have any problems up there.  Smile
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

NW's 757 Atlantic config will have more legroom then a widebody.

Quoting San747 (Reply 11):
That was something I wasn't aware of... How will a transatlantic 757 with NW be configured compared to the normal domestic 757?

Normal domestic holds 22 in FC and 162 in Coach for the 5600 series, which is flying this, however, they are reconfigured with 16 WBC and 143 in coach. However, the FRA flight will be restricted to 15 in WBC and 137 in coach for payload restrictions.

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

But its a 752.

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 12):
IIRC the seat pitch on the 757 is about the same as on NW's A330s. Really not that different from a widebody...........

Domestic config, yes, however the new transatlantic 757's will have 33-34 inches of legroom that 2-4" over the A330's.
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 16):
Do the airlines still use technical stops? It was explained to me as effectively two flight plans. The first was to a destination that is well within the aircraft's range, so in this case perhaps Shannon, and the second is the desired destination. The crew then evaluates the flight as it approaches the "technical" destination and if everything still looks good, activates the second flight plan and continues to the final destination.

That's reclear or decision-point. Tech stop is actually stopping. But many many many international flights are in fact planned with a decision point, and you are only cleared to continue to your planned destination if you have a certain minimum amount of fuel remaining at the decision point. Only a single flight plan is filed. The main point is you can reduce contingency fuel, which is based on a percentage of either flight time or fuel (depending on what regs you fly under), which allows a lower total fuel load and higher payload. Many routes can't really be flown profitably without reclear, but in practice these flights continue to their planned destinations nearly all the time.

Technical stop means an actual planned or unplanned stop to refuel and/or switch crew.
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:32 am

Cmon guys. Being on a widebody is much better. It is wayyyy less claustrophobic. On a 763, there is only one chance of a middle seat. Ceilings are much higher on a widebody, there are more lavatories, etc. 752 would not be my ideal aircraft for a transatlantic crossing ESPECIALLY if there is a risk of a fuel stop somewhere along the way.
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
FRA-DTW has got to be almost 9 hours!

We fly TXL-EWR, BCN-EWR (both scheduled over 9 hours (9 and change)).

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

Nothing to call you. It is about non-stop choice, that's all. Without the 757, the choice for non-stops to certain cities would be smaller.

It comes down to economics. Some routes do better with a 757 than a bigger aircraft.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:35 am

how can NW get that much range out of the 752 powered by PW2037's?? Is NW taking a major hit on the amount of cargo they carry?
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 22):
how can NW get that much range out of the 752 powered by PW2037's?? Is NW taking a major hit on the amount of cargo they carry?



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

NW's 757 Atlantic config will have more legroom then a widebody.

Quoting San747 (Reply 11):
That was something I wasn't aware of... How will a transatlantic 757 with NW be configured compared to the normal domestic 757?

Normal domestic holds 22 in FC and 162 in Coach for the 5600 series, which is flying this, however, they are reconfigured with 16 WBC and 143 in coach. However, the FRA flight will be restricted to 15 in WBC and 137 in coach for payload restrictions.

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

But its a 752.

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 12):
IIRC the seat pitch on the 757 is about the same as on NW's A330s. Really not that different from a widebody...........

Domestic config, yes, however the new transatlantic 757's will have 33-34 inches of legroom that 2-4" over the A330's.

Here's your answers.

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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 22):
how can NW get that much range out of the 752 powered by PW2037's?? Is NW taking a major hit on the amount of cargo they carry?

The engines will be upgraded with a plug... one of PW's engineers posted on here a while back about it. The PW engines also have a longer range then the RR engines.

Quote:
Range with P&W engines and 186 passengers 5053km (2728nm), with RR engines 4758km (2569nm). Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm). 757-200PF


[Edited 2007-04-28 20:15:24]
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:23 am

Is there a specific 6 seats in Coach that are blocked off on the DTW-FRA flight?
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 21):
Nothing to call you. It is about non-stop choice, that's all. Without the 757, the choice for non-stops to certain cities would be smaller.

It comes down to economics. Some routes do better with a 757 than a bigger aircraft.

Yeah, but isn't NW still flying the A330-300 on the route and the 757 is a supplementary flight? I don't know if this situation is the same as EWR-BRS, for example...
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 26):

Yeah, but isn't NW still flying the A330-300 on the route and the 757 is a supplementary flight?

You are completely correct, sir.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

Just imagine that you are back in the 60's and crossing the pond on a 707 or DC-8. Same difference.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 28):

Just imagine that you are back in the 60's and crossing the pond on a 707 or DC-8. Same difference.

Exactly!

By the way, I'm guessing that N546US has been fitted with winglets by now. The photo database doesn't have any of her with them.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:03 am

Will there be a NW 757 coming to GLA soon ?
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 30):
Will there be a NW 757 coming to GLA soon ?

probably not, i hear they have trouble on their london routes, why would they come to gla?? I see more cities in Germany being added first, or even zurich, madrid and some of the other bigger markets
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
However, the FRA flight will be restricted to 15 in WBC and 137 in coach for payload restrictions.

Not quite true. It's restricted to 15C/137Y because those seats are blocked for crew rest, not payload. One BC seat for relief pilot and 3 seats for the 3 FA's on a crew of six.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 31):
why would they come to gla??

Has been persistently rumoured for a GLA- DTW summer 2008 start.
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:46 am

It's the Westbound 757 leg that's really the concern. Has the aircraft returned to DTW without a fuel stop?

[Edited 2007-04-28 23:50:43]
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 33):
Has been persistently rumoured for a GLA- DTW summer 2008 start.

They are also talking about a DUB to DTW in Spring 2008 and are talking to various other EU airports also, but I guess its all talks until something official in announced.

757 for DTW-FRA ....no thanks !!! I will stick with wide bodies. I would feel too confined. I like to walk around and have some space. Max time id do on a 757 is 5-6 hours.
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:13 am

At ET the 752's powered by PW Engines fly ADD to LHR non-stop with 16C 144Y and up to 3 tonnes of cargo, that flight is about 8hrs 30min to 9hrs
 
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

NW isn't sending 753s across the pond. They'll use the 752.

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
I thought the range of the 757 was somewhere withing in 4,000 mile range.

A high gross weight 757-200, with either RB211-535E4 or PW2040 engines have a stated maximum range of 3,900 nm with a full PAX load and their bags. The actual payload range is as always variable.

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 12):
I think it can do it. CO often needs to fuel stop someplace, so I am sure that other than when they have perfect weather conditions, NW will be fuel stopping on this flight.

You're confusing CO with DE, as CO doesn't operate the 753 on transatlantic flights either. DE's 753s operate HAJ-YYZ with a fuelstop in YHZ if I'm not mistaken. The YYZ-HAJ leg is nonstop, but either way, that DE 753 flight is seasonal and operates only in the summer. As for CO and their fuelstops on their 752s, I believe most fuelstops are done because of traffic over EWR, as they may not have enough fuel for holds over NYC.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 37):
As for CO and their fuelstops on their 752s, I believe most fuelstops are done because of traffic over EWR, as they may not have enough fuel for holds over NYC.

Actually, I believe most of the (infrequent) fuel stops are done because of head wind conditions on the westbound transit, particularly during winter months. If EWR was so congested the aircraft was in danger of fuel exhaustion, it would divert to another CO supported domestic station, rather than refuel in another country (Canada, etc.). Occassionally, even some US 333 routes must fly weight restricted Westbound.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:20 am

WOW. We really have become spoiled and are so that most of us are simply not willing to go across the pond on a narrowbody at all. I love widebodies myself and would much prefer to fly the T7 or M11 on a 2 hour flight if I could. However, the reality of the situation is that the airlines are trying to squeeze as much revenue as they can out of their planes and if that means pushing their fleet to do jobs that they are capable of then so be it. B752s are very much capable of transatlantic flight so get used to it. And as mentioned before, just look at the airliners of the past: B707, DC-8. Its been done before and now its being done again.
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:55 am

Unless I missed a post, did anyone mention that several years ago LH operated 757 service from Germany (don't think FRA, seem to recall it was I think Munich or Dusseldorf) to Detroit ? nothing new here ...
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting AA87 (Reply 40):
Unless I missed a post, did anyone mention that several years ago LH operated 757 service from Germany (don't think FRA, seem to recall it was I think Munich or Dusseldorf) to Detroit ? nothing new here ...

LH is about to start to do a dus - dtw with their 757's
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 41):
Quoting AA87 (Reply 40):
Unless I missed a post, did anyone mention that several years ago LH operated 757 service from Germany (don't think FRA, seem to recall it was I think Munich or Dusseldorf) to Detroit ? nothing new here ...

LH is about to start to do a dus - dtw with their 757's

In what year/s did LH fly a 757?

As far as I know, LH does not currently have any 757s in their inventory.
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:26 am

That'll be interesting to see... since LH doesn't even have 757s.



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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 42):

As far as I know, LH does not currently have any 757s in their inventory.

right LH doesn´t have 757s , DE has but LH not .

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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 42):
In what year/s did LH fly a 757?

They flew them a few years back, but it was for a short trial period and the equipment came from DE. The trial didn't give them the results they wanted, so the possible plans for using the 757 were scrapped.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 44):
LH doesn´t have 757s , DE has

One could say that they are in part LH aircraft, since DE and LH share the same Boeing customer code, which is 30.  Wink
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 45):
One could say that they are in part LH aircraft, since DE and LH share the same Boeing customer code, which is 30. Wink

Not more  Smile
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:36 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 26):
Yeah, but isn't NW still flying the A330-300 on the route and the 757 is a supplementary flight?

Regardless.

Quoting San747 (Reply 26):
I don't know if this situation is the same as EWR-BRS, for example...

Doesn't matter, economics is economics. That and, again, some cities wouldn't see service otherwise. Even FRA-DTW would only have one without it.

Bringing the 757 across the pond brings jobs to people, people to jobs and chances for a.netters to spot. All around a good thing.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:50 am

I've heard rumors of NW expanding even more as far as transatlantic goes. I've been hearing both ZRH and MUC as potential new cities for NW. I believe that even ARN was mentioned sometime in the past.

yet five hours is my max on a NW flight
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RE: NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07

Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 41):
LH is about to start to do a dus - dtw with their 757's

NW is starting DTW-DUS this summer with the 757