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Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:34 am

Yup it's that time there's been lots of threads about Irish and British aviation so i thought i would start one about Canadian aviation
So what's new in Canada some questions to start us off
-What new routes will Air Canada operate?
-What going on at Westjet?
-Anything going to happen with Canjet will they resume operations or will they stay charter?
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Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:39 am

First of all, nice job it's about time our country had its own aviation thread!  Smile

Not too sure about Air Canada but look for them to open up some new international routes in the next 5-10 years as the B787s start to come online.
I've heard reports that WestJet recently increased its orders for B737s, but I'm not too sure on the exact numbers and details. Maybe someone can elaborate? Either way, look for them to add some new flights in the next few years as they recieve the additional lift.

And how about Porter? Anyone heard what's going on with them so far? How are their loads like?
Oh and also, what's up with the Sunwing website? I went to book flights to Orlando for winter break but none of their destinations allow you to book past October 2007. Is this just a case of them not announcing their winter schedule yet?
 
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Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:13 am

I agree...it's about time for a Canadian Av thread.

AC: I guess the YYZ-LAX-SYD route is off the radar now but with the 77Ws/77Ls, the YVR-SYD route will open up this winter. I expect YVR-CAN to come soon, and both YYZ-PEK/PVG going daily. I wonder if they might negotiate a trilateral deal to permit SQ, KE, and AC to operate SIN-INC-YVR/YYZ with local traffic rights SIN-INC ? I think that's the only way AC goes back to SIN in the near term. As for Europe, I think they have most of the higher yield markets served already, maybe excepting SVO....but that depends on both political and economic considerations. In South America, EZE could go to daily. It will be interesting to see how LIM & BOG develop (going to BOG in September). I can't foresee anything to Africa near-term except the much fantasized about JNB service.

Domestically as more E-jets come in and some AirBi depart, you will likely see some long-thin routes open up: YWG-YHZ being one example. Perhaps direct service YQB -> anywhere in the West.

WS: I think their big problem is where to place all the a/c they have coming. They've tapped most of the domestic markets, excepting YQB which they are looking closely. Can continue to build frequency of course but there's a limit in the Canadian market. Services to primary US destinations has kind of bombed, leaving them with leisure/seasonal markets for the most part. I see more Caribbean services, either under contract to Transat Holidays or on their own, like Bahamas.

Have no idea about Porter. A friend of mine has used them YOW-YTZ a couple of times and was very favourably inclined. I read they are going to try YTZ-YOW/YUL-YHZ for the summer. Apparently they are being blocked from EWR at the moment, and I think that's a big goal for them, perhaps also MDW.

My $ 0.02 .
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:30 am

We all know AC increased their orders for B787s from 14 to 37.. they reduce their firm order of 2 B772F..
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:46 am

Hey.
Displaced Vancouverite living in Dublin the past long while. Nice to see this thread.
I've been reading that a Canada-Ireland bilateral has been signed and according to other postings I have read, comes into place immediatly. But I can't find any more info on it.
The Open Skies between EU and USA was written about nonstop for weeks. The Canadian one ? Silence.
Anyone hear more ?
I'm particularly keen on knowing what an Ireland-Canada treaty could hold for the future. Maybe AC will go year round on YYZ-DUB. Possibly some flights from the Maritimes too (where there is a historical connection between there and Ireland).
I wonder would Zoom think about DUB or SNN or even ORK ? They have an operation out of BFS at the moment.
Could EI return to Canada for the first time in decades (that would be a nice thing to see) ?
Haven't we been here before ?
 
Salomon
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:09 am

Thanks for starting this thread!

There is something I wanted to talk about for a while now. Air Canada Jazz has started to hire pilots directly from piloting schools in Canada. This year, they intend to hire 8-12 young pilots (I believe) and send them as co-pilot on dash 8 / CRJ. At my piloting school, students with multi&IFR qualifications had their interviews 2 weeks ago and 4 of them are to go to Toronto for more tests. Only a few Canadians piloting schools are targeted and more pilots are to be hired in the following years.

Jazz will probably introduce lower salaries & benefits as they arent doing all that only to be nice...

Any comments? More info?
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting AC747 (Reply 4):
I'm particularly keen on knowing what an Ireland-Canada treaty could hold for the future. Maybe AC will go year round on YYZ-DUB. Possibly some flights from the Maritimes too (where there is a historical connection between there and Ireland).
I wonder would Zoom think about DUB or SNN or even ORK ? They have an operation out of BFS at the moment.
Could EI return to Canada for the first time in decades (that would be a nice thing to see) ?

Wouldn't YYZ-anywhere in Ireland be mostly O&D and largely low-yield ?
I suspect Zoom or Skyservice is what you'll see in terms of Canadian airlines to Ireland year-round,
if that can be sustained. Apparently AC doesn't think it can.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting AC747 (Reply 4):
Maybe AC will go year round on YYZ-DUB. Possibly some flights from the Maritimes too (where there is a historical connection between there and Ireland).

If it happens (and I certainly would love to see it), YYZ-DUB is where it's at. Don't see any activity from the Maritimes. It took a full scale petition and outcry to reinstate seasonal YYT-LHR on the A319, and a more likely candidate would be YHZ-GLA, which was dropped years ago.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 12:32 am

Can anyone please tell me why are the prices to fly INTRA canada soo expensive?? Is it just the lack of competition. A flight from Ottawa to Toronto costs the same as a Flight from LHR to YYZ on LCC. You can even find the atlantic flights cheaper.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting LHRGregSE4 (Reply 8):
Can anyone please tell me why are the prices to fly INTRA canada soo expensive?? Is it just the lack of competition. A flight from Ottawa to Toronto costs the same as a Flight from LHR to YYZ on LCC. You can even find the atlantic flights cheaper.

With all due respect, if you can't find a C$250 RT (or cheaper) fare between Ottawa and Toronto these days, you either don't know where to look or have your head stuck up your rear end.

I just picked an AC flight combo at random - for this Wednesday. Depart 7 a.m., return 9:30 p.m., fare C$69 each way, with all taxes, C$218 R/T. Porter is always running some kind of deal that can bring the R/T fare under C$200, all taxes in.

Don't tell me the cheap fares are only on a few flights a day and not necessarily at great times of day, because how many flights are there by any one carrier on any one North Atlantic route? And virtually all transatlantic flights are overnights eastbound which is hardly a desirable time to travel.

[Edited 2007-04-30 17:45:11]
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 12:59 am

As early as tomorrow (May 1st) fare can be purchased on line between YYZ and YOW for $69.00. Bear in mind that AC's load factors have had record highs for the last 3 years, and the outrageous fares quoted above, are due to low availability and last minute booking factors. Every single airline in North America and beyond employs the use of sophisticated yield-management tools to determine fare levels. Due to availability sometimes AC is less than Westjet, sometimes Westjet is less than Porter, etc.

Why are INTRA Canada fares so expensive?? It's been discussed a thousand times.
TAX LEVELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Salomon (Reply 5):
Jazz will probably introduce lower salaries & benefits as they arent doing all that only to be nice...

They have already done that for the new hire pilots. That's why they can't attract new ones with experience, and must now start recruiting out of school.

Currently senior cabin crew make a lot more money then new pilots. The turn-over has greatly increased (people leaving for Mainline AC or WS). They are having to do a lot of hiring (Pilots and cabin crew), not because we are growing, but because of people leaving.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 2:09 am

With regards to the fares, people seem to forget how LARGE our nation is. I flew YHZ-YYZ-YVR in February for about $636 return, whereas I could have flown YHZ-LHR-MAN for less than $100 more. The routing YHZ-LHR-MAN, was a shorter time span than YHZ-YYZ-YVR, and there was a 2.5 hour layover in LHR!!!!!!! (the layover at YYZ, the ticket I ended up travelling on was only 1 hour).
I had to book my YVR-YYZ ticket separate because I didn't know what day I was returning from YVR, and it was $149+taxes!!!!! To fly pretty much across the country that is cheap. I mean I can often find fares between YYZ-YHZ for $130 with taxes all inclusive, for that I don't mind getting meals and pillows. Fares have not gone up with inflation, so something really does have to give. As a university student, I probably could not have gone to school out of province because I couldn't afford to travel between school and home!

While base fares are cheap, taxes are not, and that explains a lot of the difference between US and Canada fares. That and our airlines were selling airfares at a level that would cover their costs and posting profits, whereas the US carriers were losing money at their bottom barrell fares. I don't mind paying more for a ticket if it will bring long-term stability to the Canadian airline industry. jetsgo $1 fares were clearly not sustainable, and did the industry more harm than good.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 2):
I see more Caribbean services, either under contract to Transat Holidays or on their own, like Bahamas.

You didn't forget about us?  wink 

Well yes, expect to see WJ doing flights of it's own to to the the majour centers of The Caribbean including the powerhouses in Cuba, Dominican Republic and Jamaica.

Meanwhile WJ seems to be doing well on it's services to Nassau, daily 73G  bouncy 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting LHRGregSE4 (Reply 8):
Can anyone please tell me why are the prices to fly INTRA canada soo expensive?? Is it just the lack of competition. A flight from Ottawa to Toronto costs the same as a Flight from LHR to YYZ on LCC. You can even find the atlantic flights cheaper.

I'm not sure why, but I find that the price of Canadian departures(intra or otherwise) is usually high. I fly down to the south US(ATL,CLT) quite a bit, and the last 4 out of 5 times I found it much better to just drive to Syracuse and catch the plane there! If I am just flying to ORD or DTW, it is usually better for me to fly from YOW.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 4:21 am

Hi,

Ottawa born and raised here, so good to see this thread!

Just wanted to say that AC will codeshare with Star Alliance partner LH to ALG twice weekly starting this summer.

This is part of the deal signed by the Algerian and Canadian delegations on July 5, 2006 in Ottawa that allowed for each one of the country's carriers (AC and AH) twice weekly service on the ALG-YUL route. AC decided to codeshare on the route with LH, while AH will bring in their 332s from ALG, with the inaugural flight being on June 15, 2007. Here are the times:

AH 2700 ALG-YUL 330-200 Depart: 15:35 Arrive: 19:55 Tues/Fri
AH 2701 YUL-ALG 330-200 Depart: 21:30 Arrive: 11:10+1 day Tues/Fri

Cheers,
Imad

P.S: Go Senators!!!!  Smile
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 4:38 am

How about that Twin Otter, eh...?
What the...?
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Tue May 01, 2007 4:39 am

Alright here is a list

YYZ:
-New additional 5 weekly KL 777-200
-BA reduction capacity with BA96/97 going to 3/7 767 from daily. BA98/99 to B744 from B7772. BA92/93 to 767
-OA adding 1/7 A340 nonstop on Sunday
-Air France to daily 744 from A340
-Austrian to daily 767 from 330
-Etihad A340-500 3/7 from A332 via BRU
-UA to DEN u/g B737 from E70
-Air Canada YYZPVG to daily from 3/7. 77ws to LHR/FRA/NRT/PEK...77L to HKG.... xxl of YYZAMS and 2nd YYZCDG.. new YYZ-YDF service
-WestJet services to NAS/YFC and YDF
-TS new services to BCN/VIE via YUL

YVR:
-AC service to SMF
-Oasis to HKG 4/7
-CX continues 3/7 additonal A340-300 (overnights in YVR, nice!)
-2nd YVRPEK AC

YUL:
-Air Algerie new service 2/7 A330-200
-Royal Jordanian new service 2/7 A340-200
-Egyptair to A340-200 from B777-200
-BA cancels extra BA44/45 3/7 trip
-Air Canada new daily FCO service
-TS new services to BCN/AGP/VIE
-MX to 319 from B757
-NW CRj900 to MSP!
-WS new service to YEG, YYG and YHZ


YYC:
-6/7 BA B777

Feel free to continue the list
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 6:30 am

Not really up on what these guys are doing, but what's happening with:

Canadian North
Air North
Hawkair
Air Tindi
First Air ??

I know Pacific Coastal has taken some Saab 340s (A's, I believe) into service to replace the Skyvans.
And some time ago I read that First Air were looking at a 767-200, probably converted to F, for the
main part of resupply/freighting work in the North, probably ex-YUL to Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Yellowknife,
Inuvik and maybe Resolute. The have replaced their 727 stubbies with 737-200Cs.
Rode in the stubby many years ago YYZ-PLS (Provo), a/c was ex Lloyd Aero Boliviano, I think. All
the seatback instructions were in SPanish ! One thing that stands out is that the in-flight meal was, for
a charter, probably the best one I ever had.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 7:57 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 18):
And some time ago I read that First Air were looking at a 767-200, probably converted to F, for the
main part of resupply/freighting work in the North, probably ex-YUL to Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Yellowknife,
Inuvik and maybe Resolute.

If 7F ever get a 762F or 757F (the more likely of the two types) it will be to replace the 722s on the YOW-YVO-YVP-YFB food-mail contract. There is no way a 767 could operate from Resolute - gravel runway. 7F have recently added a second Herc, another 'new' all-pax 732 and a 'new' all-pax ATR to their fleet.

5T are launching Dash 8 routes in the western arctic to compete with 7F's ATRs to Kugluktuk, Gjoa Haven, Taloyoak and Kugaaruk and to bring their YCB services up to daily.

I can see Zoom a summer or two down the road launching services to DUB now that open skies is in place.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 9:34 am

Hello.

I agree that there should be a Canadian aviation thread on A.net. I had the same idea and I had started one a few months ago but it fizzled out after about 81 posts. Here's the link: RE: How's It Going Eh? The Canadian Aviation Thread (by NorthStarDC4M Jan 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I hope we can keep this one going longer. After all, if Peter Max can get to thread Part VI then I'm sure us Canadians can find enough to talk about. What is it with Peter Max anyway? All the discussions around this name amazes me.

Anyway, back to Canadian aviation.

AC's second 777 (C-FITU) was aparently delivered today. It arrived in YUL in the late afternoon. Not sure if she will be doing some YUL-YYZ runs like her sister ship (C-FITL). Can anyone confirm?

Not sure if this is news to some but Zoom has recently acquired a 757 from Harmony (old reg. #C-GTSN).
It has been undergoing maintenance at YMX. I believe she is already in Zoom colours and this new a/c is not surprisingly named "City of Montreal". I'm sure pictures of it will show up on here soon.

I have heard that some of the possible routes for the 757 are:
YYZ-YHZ-CDG
YYZ-GEO
YYZ-POS
YYZ-BFS-GLA
YUL-CDG

Can't wait to see a 752 in Zoom colours.

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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
Wouldn't YYZ-anywhere in Ireland be mostly O&D and largely low-yield ?
I suspect Zoom or Skyservice is what you'll see in terms of Canadian airlines to Ireland year-round,
if that can be sustained. Apparently AC doesn't think it can.

First I would like to say that it is nice to see a Canadian thread here thanks for starting it. I would think that Zoom or Skyservice would be the most likely of the Canadian airlines to go to Ireland as the traffic would mainly be holiday travelers and AC has a more business focus which although there is I am sure a lot of business traffic to be tapped into by the airlines, Ireland will remain a holiday destination first and foremost.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 9:42 am

What's up with zoom starting destinations to JFK and Bermuda although it would be kinda nice to connect through Bermuda if going across the pond
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 10:17 am

So whats the status of Westjet joining Oneworld? Whats happening with AC opening a new destination to CAN?


Air Canada declares the skies open for business
New Flight Pass for Business provides for up to 25 people, 100 trips

MONTREAL, April 27 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada introduced today a better
way for business travellers to fly with the Flight Pass for Business. The new
pass is ideal for any-sized company looking to better manage travel and make
flying more convenient for employees.
"The Flight Pass for Business is designed for companies of any size, from
small to large. Whether a firm has a few people flying a lot, many people
flying occasionally, or any mix of flying in between, the Flight Pass for
Business simplifies a company's travel management process while making it easy
for employees to fly," said Marc Rosenberg, Vice President, Sales and Product
Distribution at Air Canada. "Travellers have already flown more than one
million trips using Air Canada's flight passes, taking advantage of the
flexibility, simplicity and convenience that our passes offer."
The Flight Pass for Business allows up to 25 people to fly 100 trips over
a 12-month period. The new pass is designed to give a business cost certainty
and maximum flexibility, coming in either the Latitude or Tango Plus fare
category and offering the ability to track usage in real time online.
Companies can choose from ten different geographic travel zones covering all
or parts of Canada and continental U.S.A. and the pass provides the option of
paying in a single up-front payment or in quarterly instalments.
The Flight Pass for Business is the latest addition to Air Canada's
growing suite of multi-trip Flight Passes available at www.aircanada.com or
for travel agents at www.aircanada.com/agents. Customers can learn more about
how to select and use Flight Passes by taking a Virtual Flight Pass Tour at
aircanada.com.
Air Canada is the only airline that offers its customers multi-trip
Flight Passes which provide the convenience to self-manage travel online,
either in the form of pre-purchased banks of flight credits or fixed monthly
subscription rates that provide for unlimited flights.
Air Canada offers a wide range of Flight Passes including the
'North America Pass' with a choice of eight travel zones in Canada and between
Canada and the US, the unlimited 'Flight Pass to Canada' in the U.S., the
'London Pass', the carrier's first pass for international travel, and the 'Oil
Express Pass' designed specifically for oil patch workers in Northern Alberta
travelling for work and leisure. Other Flight Passes offered for frequent
travellers include the popular 'Rapidair Pass,' valid on the carrier's
frequent shuttle services between Toronto-Montreal and Toronto-Ottawa, and the
'Western Commuter' pass for travel between key B.C. and Alberta cities. The
airline also offers leisure passes for sun seekers, including 'Sun Pass East',
'Sun Pass West', and 'Hawaii Pass'.

Air Canada expands year-round service to Florida
Fort Myers flights increase choice and convenience for travel to U.S.A.

MONTREAL, May 1 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada announced today it is expanding
its service to Florida and giving customers more options for travel to the
U.S. by adding a year-round, non-stop weekly flight between Toronto and Fort
Myers starting June 16, 2007.
"Air Canada is already the leading airline in the trans-border market,
flying more often between Canada and the U.S. than any other carrier. We are
further consolidating that position by adding a year-round, weekly service
between Toronto and Fort Myers, Florida, a popular destination for Canadian
travellers," said Daniel Shurz, Vice-President Network Planning. "With our new
Embraer aircraft we are able to expand the number of transborder destinations
we fly while offering our passengers unrivalled comfort and convenience,
including personalized audio and video entertainment at every seat."
Air Canada flight AC934 will depart Toronto each Saturday at 9 am and
arrive in Fort Myers at 12:10 p.m. The aircraft will then return, leaving Fort
Myers at 12:50 pm and arriving in Toronto at 3:55 pm. Flights will be operated
using a 73-seat Embraer E175 which features both Executive and Economy class
service and seatback personal entertainment systems at every seat.
Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz operate more non-stop flights within
Canada and to the United States than any other airline. Between Canada and the
United States, the carriers operate more than 435 non-stop flights per day on
81 routes to and from 51 U.S. and seven Canadian destinations.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 12:39 pm

Hey the GSM flights to and from YHM Started today I was there for the first arrival from MAN and I tell you what a sight it was. eventually there were 2 Globespan 757s together as well as 2 westjet 737s and a Jazz DH8 and a Jazz CRJ.

I know its not YYZ but its was still great. Good loads today too Smile.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 20):
Can't wait to see a 752 in Zoom colours.



There you go! City of montreal!

[Edited 2007-05-02 06:14:59]
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Salomon (Reply 25):
Quoting YULspotter (Reply 20):
Can't wait to see a 752 in Zoom colours.



There you go! City of montreal!

Doesn't come up.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 8:18 pm

YUL:

-JetX new weekly service to KEF starting May 17th
-Sunwing new weekly domestic service to YYZ and YVR starting this summer
-Porter twice daily service to YHZ starting June 29th
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Wed May 02, 2007 10:21 pm

YQB:

-New CO weekly service to Cleveland on Sundays starting in June
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Thu May 03, 2007 4:35 am

At YOW:

Just recently:
A new 5th daily UA to ORD started about a week ago on a CR7 (3x CR7, 2x E70) - all UA flights switch to E70 in the summer = a bit extra capacity.
DL to CVG increased to daily from 6x/week on CRJs.

For this summer:
Additional 3x/week to YVR on AC
New daily summer-seasonal to YVR on WS
PD 6x/day to YTZ and new 2x/day to YHZ for the summer (YTZ returns to 10x in September)
AC increasing 7x/day to YHZ on weekdays (reduced weekend skeds)
TS adding 2 more weeks to the YOW-CDG route this summer season
Z4 adding an extra weekly to LGW from mid-June to mid-September
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Thu May 03, 2007 8:55 am

YXY news:

- Air North's B737-200Adv C-GJLB got the eyebrow mod
- Air North's other 737, NAU, has lost the blue tail (ex Royal) and now has an orange tail (as seen on two of the four Hawkers)


CanadianNorth
What could possibly go wrong?
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Thu May 03, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 18):
I know Pacific Coastal has taken some Saab 340s (A's, I believe) into service to replace the Skyvans.

Shorts 360's actually - and these are actually some of the oldest Saab's out there - two of them are only a year newer than the Shorts. Pasco were replacing the 360's one for one with 340's, but they actually took over the Hawkair route to Terrace, so I believe the Shorts has had a reprieve as the extra aircraft are needed to look after this route, together with other recent new routes to Trail & Cranbrook and increases on flights to Masset, YYJ, Williams Lake, Powell River, Comox, Campbell River & Port Hardy. They now have 5 Saabs (all A's) and latest is GPCN and only 2 Shorts. They have also taken two more B1900's recently (replacing the remaining two Bandeirantes), so thats 5 1900C's & 1 1900C-1 plus the King Air / Catpass 200. They have also just bought a 'new' G21A Goose GPCD which is currently undergoing work in their YVR hangar, taking their fleet of the type to 6.

Hawkair are not doing too well and have recently been brought by Bar XH Air and returned 2 Dash 8's to the lessor (FGQI & GJVB) - Pasco are just waiting for the kill.

GSM to start LGW / MAN / GLA / BFS schedules 5/1 (incl YYC) - no idea if they actually have the 767 to do the routes yet...

Just heard today West Coast Air have bought Baxter Aviation - the names and colors will be retained for now.

WS have moved in to replace the old HQ routes ex YVR - all three of their remaining 757's were stored here at YVR - I heard one departing on the radio this morning, dont know where to, wasnt on Flightaware.

F9 coming to YVR this summer. NZ this winter - nice to see another T7 here!!
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Thu May 03, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting AC77W (Reply 22):
What's up with zoom starting destinations to JFK and Bermuda although it would be kinda nice to connect through Bermuda if going across the pond

Zoom UK (UKZ) is a separate operation from Zoom Canada, although of course part of the family. The flights you have mentioned will not connect to Canada from BDA/JFK, they are dedicated LGW/JFK or BDA flights. 5 times a week the JFK flights are direct, and the other 2 days a week they stop via BDA in either direction, good for Bermudians fed up of being robbed blind by BA!!
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Fri May 04, 2007 11:40 am

Yesterday, following the FNM party winning the Bahamian elections they announced that they had concluded a sale of Bahamasair to Air Canada. While I have yet to hear this verified by Bahamians out of The Bahamas, the deal would include making Nassau an efficient hub and giving Bahamasair new aircraft and f/a's.

Bahamasair currently flies to Fort Lauderdale, Havana, Kingston, Miami, Orlando, Provodenciales, Santo Domingo and West Palm Beach in addition as 20 Domestic destinations using a fleet of 3 737-200s and 7 DASH-8 300s. Bahamasair also serves many other cities through codeshare partner US Airways.


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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Fri May 04, 2007 1:44 pm

What is the hold up with YVR-CAN again? Transport Canada?
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Fri May 04, 2007 2:56 pm

Don't know if this is really news worthy of this thread, but it could be something of an interesting discussion. TS is offering flights from YVR-AMS for $49 (plus all the taxes, fees, etc) one way. I don't ever recall seeing any Canadian airline offer a Trans Atlantic ticket for under $199.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Fri May 04, 2007 3:12 pm

Quoting Pacifica (Reply 1):
First of all, nice job it's about time our country had its own aviation thread!

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Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 2):
it's about time for a Canadian Av thread.

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I have been so close to starting this for a while!

So then there is the chance of a new startup operation from at large Canadian hub, which hasn't happened for a half decade now, so another couple of carriers should be due to make an attempt any time now. Good Luck with that.  Wink

How long is your bet before yet another Canadian airline folds?

And WHEN will we see a trans-border service to the US from Comox!?!?!?!!?!?!
Horizon should be looking at YQQ-SEA pretty closely!

YQQ also expects a YQQ-YYZ direct within 2 years, but I think it will be a connect through a new destination such as YWG. Will it be Air Canada, Jazz or WestJet?

http://www.comoxairport.com/nr_050207_toronto_predictions.asp

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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Fri May 04, 2007 3:34 pm

Quoting Salomon (Reply 25):
There you go! City of montreal!

It had better say 'Ville de Montréal' on the other side...  stirthepot 

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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 36):
And WHEN will we see a trans-border service to the US from Comox!?!?!?!!?!?!
Horizon should be looking at YQQ-SEA pretty closely!

I'm sure Horizon are also looking closely at YCD, considering half of YQQ's traffic comes from Nanaimo-area residents.

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 36):
YQQ also expects a YQQ-YYZ direct within 2 years, but I think it will be a connect through a new destination such as YWG. Will it be Air Canada, Jazz or WestJet?

Highly unlikely this will happen, unless Sunwing decides to offer a weekly summertime charter.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 20):
Can't wait to see a 752 in Zoom colours.

I saw it in YYZ the last couple of days, parked, and it looks really sharp. The engine inlet lip, slats, engine exhaust tip and even the apu exhaust tip polished to a mirror finish. All wrapped in a good quality paint job. Any word as to how many hours on the clock?

Quoting Salomon (Reply 25):
There you go! City of montreal!

That's the old NX/TS hangar in YMX, isn't it? Who is operating out of there, and what contracts (other than this one) do they have?
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting Jamesontheroad (Reply 37):
It had better say 'Ville de Montr�al' on the other side...  

I can see the French speaking citizen there. Keep that way.

Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 39):
Any word as to how many hours on the clock?

Can't give that answer, but C-GTSN has had a long career already, mostly Canadian:

Odyssey International Airlines (C-GTDL) 12/03--30/04/1990

Air Europe Sub-lsf Odyssey 19/03 - 15/04/1990

America West (N911AW) 27/05/1990 - 02/07/1991

Nationair (C-GNXU) 24/10/1991 - 01/04/1993

Air Transat (C-GTSN) 02/04/1993 - 09/2003

HMY Airways/Harmony (C-GTSN) 06/02/2004 - 24/03/2007
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 39):
That's the old NX/TS hangar in YMX, isn't it? Who is operating out of there, and what contracts (other than this one) do they have?

Yep, thats it. Zoom's maintenance (forgot the name) rent the old Air Transat hangar in YMX for heavy maintenance. I have no idea what is next.
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting AC77W (Thread starter):
-Anything going to happen with Canjet will they resume operations or will they stay charter?

I thought they were up and running as a charter already... can anyone corrrect me on that?

Also, how is the new AC service from YYT-LHR on the A319? Anyone here fly it? how is it doing?
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 42):
I thought they were up and running as a charter already... can anyone corrrect me on that?

I think AC77W means will CanJet ever resume sked ops. They'd still be flying skeds if they hadn't been so obsessed with taking AC & WS head-on, especially @ YYZ.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 43):
I think AC77W means will CanJet ever resume sked ops.

Ah, right you are. that's what happens when I don't read the entire post... or the entire sentence.

Surely there was never any possibility of Canjet resuming sched, was there?

A damn shame, too, they filled a real need by providing a practical alternative to AC out east, much the way WS has done out west... while I enjoy flyingh WS, but connections and flights through YHZ to YYT are not the best. And last Christmas, Canjet's 360 seats per day each way were sorely missed - there was a time of approximately 10 days when there was not a single available seat to be purchased in or out of Nfld, on any airline, at any price.

Quoting YOW (Reply 43):
They'd still be flying skeds if they hadn't been so obsessed with taking AC & WS head-on, especially @ YYZ.

Or so obsessed with fighting the unions, according the experts here.
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 38):
I'm sure Horizon are also looking closely at YCD, considering half of YQQ's traffic comes from Nanaimo-area residents.

I wouldn't think so. YCD is fairly constricted for commercial services. I don't think Nanaimo has a proper customs agency on site, and the terminal only has a 100 passenger capacity (50 in - 50 out) as compared to the 500 (250 in - 350 out) capacity at YQQ. The capacity reason is why the passenger must go through YQQ, because airlines like WS can't bring a plane into YCD.

Quoting YOW (Reply 38):
Highly unlikely this will happen, unless Sunwing decides to offer a weekly summertime charter.

Maybe weekly year-round and twice weekly for the busy season. That would probably work.

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 44):
I enjoy flying WS, but connections and flights through YHZ to YYT are not the best.

There is a reason for that. WESTjet's original business plan was to serve only WESTern Canadian destinations, so naturally they still don't focus all of their aircraft on the less profitable EASTern routes.

[Edited 2007-05-05 01:26:37 for an extra statement.]

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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 18):
Rode in the stubby many years ago YYZ-PLS (Provo), a/c was ex Lloyd Aero Boliviano, I think. All
the seatback instructions were in SPanish

Nope...Here is the break down
Retired
1 727-100 from alaska air(gone) C-GFRB
1-727-100 from africa(gone C-GVFA
1-727-100 crom Corp air who got it from PWA(gone) C-GPXD
1 B737 -200C C-gnwi From Air Cal written ff in YZF

2 B727-200 from AirCanada C-FUFA and C-CGXFA (Only B727-200 Combi in Comercial service)
1 737-200 C from Aer lingusC-FNVT
1 B737-200C from AirCal C-GNWN C-GNWI(Written off in YZF)
1 B737-200 From Aircanda (Ex Nordair) C-GNDC
2 B737-200 from Zip (Aircanada) C-GCPT and CFACP
1 B737 From Jordan unknown as i heard about it last friday and I left 7f in November

1 from Transtates
1 ATR from Aerarran (sp)
2 From Air Madagascar
6 from Canadian regional

1 Herc From NWT merger
1 Herc from Safair

As far as I know that is the current 7F Fleet

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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 12:23 pm

Hi guys I just wanted to know if Caribbean Airlines A340 9Y TJN ex AC C FTNP has arrived at AC maintenance for her D check and re configuration for AR. Caribbean Airlines will also add one extra flight on YYZ POS which would increase the frequency to 8 flights per week. I was wondering if AC plans to expand its ops to BGI, I heard a little while back that Halifax BGI was being looked at but I do not know how true?

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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sat May 05, 2007 12:31 pm

While this thread's still going strong, maybe someone can give an update on how the Region of Waterloo Airport (YKF) is doing. I know they just recently landed WestJet service to Calgary as well as some increased charter activity from Sunquest Vacations (via Skyservice), but what else is going on? Are there any plans for either WestJet or Air Canada to offer a direct link between YKF and either YOW or YUL anytime soon? You'd think with the growth the Tech Triangle is seeing that the service would be there sooner or later (although I have heard reports the terminal is starting to become crowded from all the new service and needs to be expanded; any truth to this rumour?)
 
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RE: Canadian Aviation Thread PT. 1

Sun May 06, 2007 2:32 pm

I would love to see more options to BGI, but how about from Western Canada! Right now if you are from Western Canada, and want to fly a Canadian Airline to get to BGI (Air Canada), you have to RON in YYZ.

I would love to see WS start service to BGI from YWG. The 73N has the range, unlike the A319 or A320. The majority of Canadians I met the last time I was in BGI are from Western Canada. It sucks that we have to travel through YYZ. The last 2 trips my family has had to go through YYZ we have ended up with lost bags. My wife's luggage ended up in POS and my Father-In-Law had a bag end up in LHR. Would be nice to go direct, or even if we had to go to YYC or YVR.

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