TWA902fly
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TWA's European Routes

Tue Aug 01, 2000 1:35 pm

I just noticed that BCN is no longer served by TWA, but according to their website, they still do. any info anyone?
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ContinentalEWR
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Tue Aug 01, 2000 9:41 pm

TWA dropped Rome, Madrid, and Barcelona in January 2000 to focus on
Hawaii, Caribbean, US domestic, and Middle East markets instead.

TWA now only flies to Milan, Paris, and Lisbon from JFK (as well as to
Tel Aviv, Cairo, and one stop via CAI to Riyadh)

and from STL to London Gatwick. That's it.

ContinentalEWR
 
Guest

RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 7:43 am

If I read another g*ddamn post about TW's changing european operations and how the airline doesn't fly to BCN and MAD anymore, I'm going to "bomb your place."

Number 2, as usual, ContinentalEWR your wrong AGAIN. TW flies daily service from STL to CDG, in addition to London service.

 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 8:25 am

STL-CDG is seasonal and will stop in October.
Not all who wander are lost....
 
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RE: STL-CDG

Wed Aug 02, 2000 9:33 am

TWA has reinstated year-round nonstop service between St. Louis and Paris (TW 818/819).
 
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More STL-Europe Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 9:40 am

TWA still plans to restore nonstop service between St. Louis and Frankfurt, Germany, most likely as soon as next year. St. Louis- Manchester, U.K. is also under consideration.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 11:00 am

TWANeedsHelp,

You have no clue as to what this forum is about.
Let me point out a couple of things to you:

1). This isn't your forum.
2). You have no right to criticize someone just
because they have posted something that
you already discussed once before. Maybe
they are new to the forum and haven't
seen the previous thread(s).

So I left out the fact that TWA flies from STL
to CDG. Big deal. I don't deserve to be treated
that way by you. All I did was post a response
to something THAT INTERESTS ME. YOU GOT
IT? So stop bashing me every opportunity
you get! You are really annoying and your
attitude is what makes this forum less than
stellar at times.





 
TWA902fly
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TWAneedsHELP

Wed Aug 02, 2000 11:09 am

TWAneedsHELP, you need help.
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airborne
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 11:15 am

Having just joined the forum, I am concerned to
see the kind of post submitted by TWANEEEDS
HELP. It's rude and unecessary.

I've read some of the topics started and those
replied to by ContinentalEWR and find them to
be well written and factual and interesting.

ContinentalEWR, Keep 'em coming. You're
great!

 
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RE: TWAneedsHELP

Wed Aug 02, 2000 11:49 am

What a jerk!
 
TWFirst
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RE: ContinentalEWR

Wed Aug 02, 2000 12:26 pm

TWA's European routes interest you, ContinentalEWR????????????

TWA in general interests you????

And I quote: "...I would go out of my way to avoid flying TWA."

I don't think TWA needs that kind of interest      

To all reading this: ContinentalEWR may be a prolific contributor, but I certainly wouldn't call his posts "factual." They're only presented as factual. Acvitale has demonstrated this several times. (No offense, ContinentalEWR. I like your posts anyway. They give us all an opportunity to prove you wrong  )

To new folks: Give Russ (TWAneedsHELP) a break. If you knew the history of the debates on here, you would understand why long-time members get frustrated by the same topics being regurgitated over and over, especially when people like ContinentalEWR take every opportunity they can get to present strategic decisions like TWA's withdrawal from Spain and Rome as evidence of bad management or poor performance, or something like that.

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TWA902fly
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You Guys

Wed Aug 02, 2000 12:59 pm

I have been a member of this forum for 215 days, and i dont remember seeing anything about TWA and BCN. TWFirst, you and TWAneedsHELP can start your own posts, we dont mean any harm to you. If you dont like us dont reply to what we say.  
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 1:25 pm

geeze so much fighting i think if we had some green in here...........
 
TWFirst
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RE: TWA902fly

Wed Aug 02, 2000 1:28 pm

Well dude, 1) it has been discussed several times before, and 2) the motivation for your last two sentences eludes me. Speaking for myself, I know you "don't mean any harm" to me. This isn't about "liking you." I wasn't even responding to your post anyway, but rather ContinentalEWR. As he indicated (not in these words), the nature of this forum is to debate thread topics. The whole point is to reply to what other people say. The issue above centers on the manner in which one replies. In a forum such as this, this frequently becomes an issue. As aviation buffs, some members are very passionate about their favorite airline, airplane, etc. I know both TWAneedsHELP and ContinentalEWR fall into this category (I'm guilty of this too sometimes). Both are big boys though, and can handle themselves quite effectively. In the end, I think everyone realizes it really isn't personal... nobody knows each other anyway. If you think this place becomes uncivil at times, you should observe a session of the British Parliament  .
An unexamined life isn't worth living.
 
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RE: TWA902fly

Wed Aug 02, 2000 1:40 pm

peace to all.






-TWA902fly
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airborne
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 9:33 pm

TWFirst and TWANEEDSHELP, you guys have WAAYY
too much free time........

As for TWA, well, they're not a bad airline. Certainly
a hell of a lot better than they were a few years ago
and they are trying very hard to distinguish their own
product and service from the rest of the pack, and
generally succeeding. It's amazing to think that just
a few years ago, TWA was flying junk jets and now
have a sleek, modern, fleet. Wow. Well, that's my
two cents worth. I'd still probably not fly them as
they really aren't the first choice, unless you are
flying to St Louis. But I think they, along with
Continental, Southwest, and Delta, are the best
US airlines in terms of quality and service.

 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 11:36 pm

Did you change your username to "Airborne", ContinentalEWR???? I suspect so.  
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El Al 001
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Wed Aug 02, 2000 11:50 pm

What is your problem TWfirst???????????
you always fight with the same people....about nothing
cut this off!
 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Thu Aug 03, 2000 12:15 am

Thank you 'first I appreciate the support.

ContinentalEWR,
I have a clue what this forum is about, its a simple and polite way of exchanging information, ideas, and thoughts regarding commercial aviation. I'm sure you agree. We all have our biasses. That plainly comes with the territory. However, you have made your biasses very well known over a very long time. Its been obnoxious and rude and if you will recall I haven't ONCE brought it up before despite mean and degrading thoughts said by you like the one posted by TWFirst in the above. Fine you don't think much of TW, most of us have to come to understand that. But you continue to speak as an authority on the airline while continuuing to spout negative and at times false statements. Simply I've had enough of it. I'll credit you with above average knowledge of commercial aviation in the US. Fine, theres a large number of us on here who know when TW flies this or what plane CO uses on that. They'res more to this forum that schedules, route maps, and fleet plans. Human interaction and decency. So lets stop with the the childhood "my airline is better" attitude and continue to share information. One last thing. Before I post anything on here I ALWAYS out of respect to the forum and its members do a quick search on my topic to see if its been discussed at a length. We can all become like those fools "Elite flyer" and "continental" and post whatever we want when we want. Lets try and be mature and do just a little work before adding our posts to the forum. I sincerely hope this isn't too much to ask.

To be sure, if you do a simple rudimentary search you will find several posts by several respected posters on 1) TW not flying to BCN anymore 2) Why TW does not fly to BCN anymore 3) What TW used when it did fly to BCN 4) And where TW has refocused its attention after discontinuing flying to BCN. If you look even just a little more, you may even find 2 other citys TW discontinued flying too at the time it stopped flying to......(you guessed it).....BCN!

Articulately taken from you ContinentalEWR: "Thats it."

Thank you and good day.
 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Thu Aug 03, 2000 12:18 am

What the hell are you talking about El Al 001????? I'm not "fighting" here. It's called friendly banter, and ContinentalEWR and I do it all the time. I think you're misinterpreting my posts. Chill, dude.

Notice the smiley face????
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Thu Aug 03, 2000 12:18 am

Actually thats not it.

What happened to CO? They used to be such a lousy airline and now they're THE BEST. How did this happen and why is continental SO GOOD? Did they get a new CEO or something?

PS Continental's color scheme RULZ!





 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Thu Aug 03, 2000 12:24 am

Actually thats not it.

What happened to CO? They used to be such a lousy airline and now they're THE BEST. How did this happen and what made continental SO GOOD? Did they get a new CEO or something?

PS Continetnal's color scheme RULZ!
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Thu Aug 03, 2000 12:47 am

Continental has been through a well documented and often highly publicized turnaround, thanks to an innovative management team which, unlike many of
their predecessors, has been willing to stay there for a time. The economic climate in which the turnaround has been staged has also been favorable but there's a lot more to it than just that. Briefly, CO's management has shed unprofitable routes and ventures (e.g. ContinentalLite and the Greensboro mini-hub), focused on developing routes and traffic and what the airline long considered to be underdeveloped hubs at EWR, IAH, and CLE. They have invested heavily in new aircraft all in attempt to bring business travellers back to its planes. The airline has also implemented a number of operations management tools that never existed at CO before which has enabled it to maximize profits and address many, though not all of its problems. That would be impossible. Until Bethune and Co arrived on the scene, Continental did not even have a cash management system in place. they ahev won awards, which they have used to promote their service and while I don't believe the slogan that "we never begin our sentences with better late than...." Continental has a much better product overall than any other US airline and has gone further than the others to address service quality issues. No airline is perfect but Continental's management has done more for its workers than most other airlines to improve morale through incentives. Continental's expansion has been aggressive but focused and controlled. Very few routes that were added since 1995 have been dropped. Though some have. Continental now needs a strong global partner or partners and should the industry not consolidate, it has a very good chance of remaining an independent carrier. There's more but I'm tired.
 
airborne
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Fri Aug 04, 2000 1:59 am

When did TWA start up its flights linking Saint Louis and Paris?? What aircraft are they flying this with? 767-200? Is this a flight that operates in summer only?
 
acvitale
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Fri Aug 04, 2000 5:32 am

TWA has been flying seasonal service between STL and CDG for years. They are goign to year round service this winter. The service is flown with a 767-231 aircraft.
 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Sat Aug 05, 2000 2:32 am

TWA must be flying a 767-200ER on this route (Saint Louis to Paris), but I thought they only operated the -300 in an ER version. Does TWA fly 757's to Europe? My friend said she saw the TWA 757 with the Saint Louis RAMS logo in Lisbon, Portugal when she was there last summer.

 
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Sat Aug 05, 2000 4:46 am

TWA uses a regular B767-200 on both the STL-CDG (that's as far as a standard -200 can fly) and the JFK-LIS route. LIS was temporarily served with a B757 last year, but has since gone back to widebody service. TWA does not use the 757 on transatlantic routes anymore.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Sat Aug 05, 2000 4:59 am

According to www.twa.com, JFK-LIS is flying with a 767 again. I think TWA was flying the 757 to Lisbon, when it operated BCN service, as one stop, via LIS.
This flight has since been pulled.

 
airborne
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Sat Aug 05, 2000 6:15 am

OH, THANKS. SHE PROBABLY SAW A TAP 757 AND THOUGHT IT WAS TWA. NO MATTER. I LOVE TWA 757's. GREAT AIRLINE. PROUD HISTORY.
 
TWA902fly
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Sat Aug 05, 2000 9:01 am

TWA got a 757 painted with the RAMS logo just THIS MAY.
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acvitale
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RE: TWA's European Routes

Sat Aug 05, 2000 5:54 pm

TWA keeps a 757-200ER as a spare in JFK. It is often used when loads are light on a European route or if the normal 767 on a route has operational or mechanical difficulties. It is quite likely that the RAMs 757 could have been in Lisbon as your friend claims.

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