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Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Tue May 01, 2007 6:43 pm

Merhaba arkadaslar,

it is the 1st of May and like every month let's start a new thread about the Turkish aviation.
To summarize the contents of April:

- TK's KUL service
- open sky agreement Turkey - Cameroon / flights between IST - YAO
- TK will lease B738's from XQ

What will happen in May? Any new routes, new destinations, new aircrafts, new airports??? Feel free to add every information you've got.

I also want to start a discussion about TK. Everybody of you could see the enourmous grow of TK in the last months. They want to be a 'big player' as well as a 5 star airline in the future. Their loads are good, they're expanding very healthy, expect several new aircrafts and get rid of the old and leased ones.
But what I want to ask you is how it would be if TK creates a subsidiary for their regional business? Somethink like TK Regional... If you look at all major European airlines, all of them have such subsidiaries: LH Cityline, AF Regional, BA Connect, Iberia Regional, Alitalia Express and many more...
If I'm not mistaken every Turkish airline could fly from every point of Turkey to another without any restrictions. Is that right? I think with a regional airline TK could serve other markets than IST and with very low operating costs. The aviation in Turkey is an expanding market and the population is very high. There is no real rail road system, the coach rides take almost a whole day. So the fastest and easiest way to get from West to East or North to South is airtravel. In my eyes TK could to very well with such a subsidiary. Feeder traffic to IST for the mainline traffic is one think. As I said before regional traffic between 'smaller' cities is another big business. They don't have to fill B738s or A320s on these routes. Smaller regional aircrafts such as an ERJ170 or CRJ700/900 could operate very well with very low costs. These are my thoughts.
Let's discuss! Big grin

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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Tue May 01, 2007 10:26 pm

The idea of a regional airline by THY is good but this segment of the market is already dominated by other carriers in Turkey. Nevertheless TK should proceed with this but I have serious doubts if they will do so.

Should they do this, they should base it at Ankara ESB as there is spare capacity in the airport as well as the geographical location making it ideal to serve any point in Turney without back-track.

Fleet selection is important for such a regional carrier also and there are various options (no turbo props) for that but a harmonised fleet would be ideal ( i.e. all ERJ series)
 
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Wed May 02, 2007 1:02 am

Merhabalar from a rain soaked Marmaris,
Stylo thanks for the May thread, keeping it monthly so we can search it better for many years to come. I think when starting these threads we should include the year also, right?
Yesterday I flew an almost full IST-DLM flight and IST was a TK parking lot. We were number 7 to take off at 8am. I saw three ex-TK already painted 737s in front of the TK Hangar, Adam air, Air Berlin and an Air One. Many MNG, ACT and Saudi Cargo jets. I will try to do a TR when I get back.
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Wed May 02, 2007 4:25 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
Stylo thanks for the May thread, keeping it monthly so we can search it better for many years to come. I think when starting these threads we should include the year also, right?

the idea is good! how could I change the name of the thread??? is this possible?

Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
Should they do this, they should base it at Ankara ESB as there is spare capacity in the airport as well as the geographical location making it ideal to serve any point in Turney without back-track.

this could work well, but my idea was a little bit different to that. I thought of a decentralized system with point-to-point flights and without changing the airplane to get from A to B. I know, ESB is situated in the middle in the country and would work well in such a regional hub system, but this is not a profitable system. point to point flights with low operating cost is the real system in my eyes!
 
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Wed May 02, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
- TK's KUL service

Well, I haven't heard anything official yet but Wikipedia claims that IST-KUL starts on June 10, 2007. Maybe again an extension to BKK service or a direct A 330 service... Let's wait and see.....
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Wed May 02, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):

Well, I haven't heard anything official yet but Wikipedia claims that IST-KUL starts on June 10, 2007. Maybe again an extension to BKK service or a direct A 330 service... Let's wait and see.....

nothing in the schedule, nothing on their website and even on amadeus... only the MH flight still exists as non-stop connection between IST and KUL.
 
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Wed May 02, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
Their loads are good, they're expanding very healthy, expect several new aircrafts

And profitable !

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
But what I want to ask you is how it would be if TK creates a subsidiary for their regional business?



Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
Smaller regional aircrafts such as an ERJ170 or CRJ700/900 could operate very well with very low costs

TK has done lots of work looking at an RJ aircraft. Matter of fact they were quite close to ordering the Embraer family during late 2005/early 2006.

There is a very compelling business case to be made that Turkey which has dozen of smaller communities lacking air service could be linked to a larger network and hub such as IST and also use RJs to provide point-to-point service to many smaller communities by passing connections in Ankara or Istanbul.

The Achilles heal of such arguments using RJ's has been the same reason that has spanned massive increase in domestic travel in recent years. The deregulation of the Turkish civil aviation sector has caused a massive increase in seat capacity which has naturally lowered air-fares to often cheaper then bus travel. Such low fares in many ways are not compatible with the per seat cost of operating an RJ. From economics point of view one almost needs all the seat capacity of A32X/B737 to help cover the operating cost. The jury is still out on Atlasjet and its attempts to use CRJs on domestic services and its long term sustainability.

For now, THY has opted to maintain the A319 as its smallest aircraft avoiding the temptation of the RJ game. If THY were ever to venture into smaller aircraft, I would say it would be to offer service to smaller European and regional routes and not for the domestic market which is getting closer and closer to a Easyjet vs Ryanair battle.
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Wed May 02, 2007 10:30 pm

Selam Arkadaslar!
Sorry I couldn't participate on the April edition but I'm looking forward to May discussion.
Anybody had any clues on when will TK order their next batch of long haul a/c's, a la 787/350 Laxintl mentioned months ago that the RFP's are submitted from both manufacturers. Thanks
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Thu May 03, 2007 4:02 pm

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 7):
Anybody had any clues on when will TK order their next batch of long haul a/c's,

I don't thing that this will happen in the near future, but there were talks about a short time leasing of an A330 for the summer months.
 
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Thu May 03, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 7):
Anybody had any clues on when will TK order their next batch of long haul a/c's,

I don't thing that this will happen in the near future, but there were talks about a short time leasing of an A330 for the summer months.

Me neither I don't think it will happen in the near future but they should start looking for an A340 replacement. Yes sure the A340's are still young, they date from the mid 90's, but they have to think of a new aircraft to replace the A340 with deliveries starting early next decade, either the A340-500 or the B777-200LR, or even the B787-10 if it becomes available by then. It's obvious they won't buy B748's or A380's. I don't even see them ordering A340-600's or B777-300ER's, or anything larger than a B772ER. The new A350XWB is also a possibility.
This is no A vs B battle. Even though I admire the A products as much as I admire the B products, I think that ordering new aircraft from the Toulouse manufacturer might help Turkey join the EU in the future.

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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Thu May 03, 2007 7:20 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
I think that ordering new aircraft from the Toulouse manufacturer might help Turkey join the EU in the future.

........ do they want to join the EU at all?  bouncy 

the A340-300 is in my eyes the best ever decision of TK they ever made. this aircraft fits perfectly in their route map and their operations. it is difficult to replace such a successful aircraft.
a question regarding that: how long does it take to 'upgrade' a B737-800 or even A330/340 pilot for a B777? how long does it take to get the type rating?
 
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Thu May 03, 2007 8:22 pm

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Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):

the A340-300 is in my eyes the best ever decision of TK they ever made. this aircraft fits perfectly in their route map and their operations.

I agree with you about that. I was only saying they should start thinking on what will replace it not in the near future but in the long run. That's why I was mentioning the A345 as one possible replacement aircraft for the 2010's. I think that the B777-200LR would also suit them, ETOPS restrictions should not be a problem for the Istanbul based airline.
Regarding your question, I don't know how long it takes for an airline pilot to get the B777 type rating but I would say it is probably a six-week course, maybe two months I am not too sure about that. If a B737-800 pilot wants to start training on the B777 or A330/A340, it would take for him or her as much time to get qualified on one aircraft or the other. If an A320 pilot wants to start training on the A330/A340 then yes that should be easy for him or her. If you look at TK's fleet, the only Boeing aircraft they have is the B737-400/800, all wide bodies are Airbus, so whenever a B737 pilot decides to start training on the A330/A340 he or she will have to take as much training as if he or she were switching to the B777.
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Fri May 04, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
Pilotaydin must know, he is pilot for Turkish Airlines.

and still in the states Big grin

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
on the A330/A340 he or she will have to take as much training as if he or she were switching to the B777.

what about the communality between A340 and A350X??? I suppose it is easier for those pilots to get the type rating as for for the B777, isn't it?

what about a temporarily A330-300 order? Almost the same aircraft like A340-300 with the advantages of the A330-200. No weight restrictions on the atlantic route and available very soon. And even cheaper than an A350...
 
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Fri May 04, 2007 5:00 am

I just remembered the offline destinations THY flew in the past:

Benghazi
Thessaloniki
Dammam
Baghdad
Kuala Lumpur
Jakarta
Miami

Johannesburg and Cape Town are to restart next September. I wonder if any of the above would start in the near future. Baghdad is most unlikely but the rest are quite possible.
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Fri May 04, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 13):
Jakarta

I don't think TK ever flew to Jakarta....
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Fri May 04, 2007 5:08 pm

very shortly during Refahyol coalition back in 1996 to reinforce ties between Turkey and Indonesia. An unsuccessful move by Erbakan...
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Sat May 05, 2007 2:45 am

Miami and CPT, would be fighting each other during winters, hey why not? I hear real estate is cheaper in CPT and better local wines. On the other hand MIA will be a great feeder to the cruiseliners.
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Sun May 06, 2007 12:49 am

Pakistan rejected a proposal put forward by Turkey to have open skies between the two, complete with code shares as well as direct air services to Lahore and Islamabad by TK.
 
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Mon May 07, 2007 3:30 pm

Airporthaber is reporting the come-back of FlyAir. They took back two of their planes from Saudi Arabia (I suppose A300s...) and the planes are undergoing MX for the restart of the company.

Personally I don't want to see FlyAir flying again. Also airlines like WorldFocus, BestAir or GoldenAirlines are a big image lost for the Turkish aviation.
 
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Mon May 07, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):

Well, I haven't heard anything official yet but Wikipedia claims that IST-KUL starts on June 10, 2007. Maybe again an extension to BKK service or a direct A 330 service... Let's wait and see.....

nothing in the schedule, nothing on their website and even on amadeus... only the MH flight still exists as non-stop connection between IST and KUL.

Could be a logical move as the aircraft just sits on the ramp in BKK throughout the day. I believe there is a good market between BKK and KUL, providing they keep the fares at the same level or lower than Lufthansa's. I personally would prefer to fly TK on this route instead of LH.
 
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Mon May 07, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Levent (Reply 19):
Could be a logical move as the aircraft just sits on the ramp in BKK throughout the day. I believe there is a good market between BKK and KUL, providing they keep the fares at the same level or lower than Lufthansa's. I personally would prefer to fly TK on this route instead of LH.

In my eyes they must look forward to another destination than KUL if they want to extend the BKK flight to another asian destination, because three *A carriers on that route is too much. TK could put they code on LH and TG flights.
 
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Mon May 07, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 18):
Personally I don't want to see FlyAir flying again. Also airlines like WorldFocus, BestAir or GoldenAirlines are a big image lost for the Turkish aviation.

I couldn't agree more. Fly air is the fourth revival of a bankruptcy chain starting with Air Alfa. Allowing them to fly again is simply waiting for accidents to happen.
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Wed May 09, 2007 4:51 pm

hey guys,
just wanted to share this with you. last night i had one of my bumpiest flights out of DLM. TK A321 with almost a full load, few mins after take-off we hit some mod. turbulence all the way to Edremit. Our shown speed was around 700ph. and altitude 7000m. Once we descended to 6400m. around Edremit all was fine. I will try to do a TR with inflight video soon.
Questions:
-Why that slow? 200kph headwinds?
-Why that low?
And as usual no comments whatsoever from the cockpit.
it was bad enough that no one got up to use the restrooms during the flight. i was about to use the sick-bag. it wasn't so much about the bumps, more so of swaying side to side that got me as if we were on a Cessna.
And very strange when we landed around 11pm, we parked all the way in front of the TK teknik hangars, with busses waiting. Talk about IST being a parking lot.
 
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Wed May 09, 2007 5:15 pm

Hey guys, how is TK's Istanbul - Dublin route doing? I note they have increased service gradually on this service! Good to see!

Thanks,
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Wed May 09, 2007 5:33 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 22):
-Why that slow? 200kph headwinds?
-Why that low?

TK787, first of all geçmiþ olsun. Basically, crazy spring weather has moved in as of the weekend With the sudden surge in temperatures and an unstable atmosphere, there were thunderstorms popping out all over the country yesterday. Even places inland like Erzurum and Kars got a share of thunder. Why you were going that slow (700 kph = 380 kts roughly) probably has to do with turbulence penetration speed for the A321, since its a fairly large airplane for an A320 wing. I would imagine that it flies a higher angle of attack at equivalent speeds of the A320, and therefore develops earlier transonic flow characteristics. It probably also has to do with the fact that you were flying low (7000 m = 23000 ft). And yes winds aloft have been strong and straight out of the west for a few days. Which partly answers your second question. Here are the constant pressure charts from 00 GMT.
http://www.meteor.gov.tr/FTPDATA/analiz/harita/500hpa.jpg
http://www.meteor.gov.tr/FTPDATA/analiz/harita/300hpa.jpg
500 hpa is roughly 18,000 ft and 300 hpa is roughly 30,000 ft. Upper air flows parallel to the isohypses. The closer they are stronger the wind. As you can see, big difference between 18,000 and 30,000. Now there may also have been heavier turbulence at higher levels, i dont have much info to comment on that.

As for parking at the mx hangars, either the plane got a good beating too or IST is turning into a parking lot and we may end up with deðnekçis pretty soon. Abi uçaða iyi bakarýz burda Hope you enjoyed the meteorology class.

*edited for spelling

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Wed May 09, 2007 5:51 pm

thanks for all that explanation.
it might have been worse higher.
all i wanted was similar info from the cockpit as simple as: "sorry for the bumps, we are doing all we can
to find smoother air, nothing to worry, by Edremit we should have better conditions and such".
again it was moderate, but tell that to the poor girl sitting next to me on her first flight.
 
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Wed May 09, 2007 6:11 pm

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Wed May 09, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 22):
just wanted to share this with you. last night i had one of my bumpiest flights out of DLM. TK A321 with almost a full load, few mins after take-off we hit some mod. turbulence all the way to Edremit

Tell me about it...Yesterday, I had one of the worst turbulence ever.... I was flying AYT-IST on Atlas Jet A-320. About 4-5 minutes after take off, we entered, what seemed to be innocent clouds, but it got so bumpy for a few seconds it was really scary.. I think the plane actually lost altitude while shaking violently... This was all in a 5 second time frame... The rest of the flight was not so bad but the guy next to me froze to death during that turbulence. It was his first flight ever  Smile
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Thu May 10, 2007 4:46 am

What do you all think about Pegasus not flying as many domestic flights as last summer? To give you an idea they are not even flying SAW-BJV on daily basis.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 28):
What do you all think about Pegasus not flying as many domestic flights as last summer? To give you an idea they are not even flying SAW-BJV on daily basis.

They started a lot of scheduled European flights. Therefore, I guess they do not have enough aircraft....
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Fri May 11, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 28):
What do you all think about Pegasus not flying as many domestic flights as last summer? To give you an idea they are not even flying SAW-BJV on daily basis.

I think the domestic competition got too tough for some. Again looking at some fares today for IST-DLM for Aug. Pegasus have a daily flight out of SAW (90YTL), but Atlas has only 1xday weekend flights (139YTL). On the other hand TK offers 5 flights a day, also few SAW red-eye flights and flights connecting through ESB. Cant beat that.
 
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Fri May 11, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 30):
I think the domestic competition got too tough for some. Again looking at some fares today for IST-DLM for Aug. Pegasus have a daily flight out of SAW (90YTL), but Atlas has only 1xday weekend flights (139YTL). On the other hand TK offers 5 flights a day, also few SAW red-eye flights and flights connecting through ESB. Cant beat that.

just bought my tickets for 70YTL IST-ADB and return with IzAir. very very cheap if you look at TK (180YTL) and even KK (149YTL)
 
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Fri May 11, 2007 8:31 pm

Lufthansa is expanding its operations to Turkey. With effective of the 5th of July LH add a new daily evening flight between FRA-IST.
LH3348 will depart from FRA at 20:25 and arrive at 00:10+ in the night at IST.
LH3349 will depart from IST at 04:25 and arrive FRA at 06:25 in the morning.

a summary of all LH flights:

FRA-IST 4xdaily
MUC-IST 3xdaily
MUC-ESB 2xdaily
MUC-ADB 2xdaily

in total 11 (22) daily, 77 (154) weekly flights between the country.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 11:04 pm

just caught this from another thread:
EgyptAir Increase JED And IST Flights (by Horus Apr 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)

"Istanbul

From 04JUN07 the airline will be adding 2 new evening A321 services to IST to complement the current daily afternoon service.

The schedules for the route are as follows:

CAI IST MS737 1234567 12:10/14:10 2hr00min 0 EQV*
CAI IST MS735 1-3---- 19:25/21:25 2hr00min 0 A321 <-- new service

IST CAI MS738 1234567 15:10/17:25 2hr15min 0 EQV*
IST CAI MS736 1-3---- 22:25/00:40 2hr15min 0 A321 <-- new service

*EQV = 5x A320 and 2x A321

Incidently TK will also increase their IST-CAI fights from 7 to 9x weekly A320 flights. Both airlines code share on one another's flights." posted by Horus
 
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Sun May 13, 2007 10:23 pm

according to CH-Aviation "8Q is planning to add A330s to its fleet..."

leasing or new aircrafts? is the era of A300s going out (in Turkey)?
 
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Mon May 14, 2007 9:28 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 34):
according to CH-Aviation "8Q is planning to add A330s to its fleet..." leasing or new aircrafts?

Yes Onur has been looking at the type. From what I understand the airline is actually due to announce a partnership with the new budget airline Air Asia X, which might see somesort of joint operation between Europe and Southeast Asia via Turkey.


In other news;

On May 1st the Turkish government launched a 20 year operating tender for Istanbul's Sabiha Gokcen Airport. The airport currently belongs to the Turkish Armed Forces, and is allegadly running $53 million annual defecit.
Expected bidders include TAV, FRAport, Celebi Handling, IC Ictas and is expected to go for approximately $2 billion with decision due early July.
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Tue May 15, 2007 7:36 pm

Anyone heard about this?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=111175
An interview with the Brazilian Ambassador to Turkey includes;
"Mr. Ambassador is so exited about direct flights between Turkey and Brazil which "will hopefully start at the beginning of next year."
 
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Tue May 15, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 36):
Anyone heard about this?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=111175
An interview with the Brazilian Ambassador to Turkey includes;
"Mr. Ambassador is so exited about direct flights between Turkey and Brazil which "will hopefully start at the beginning of next year."

not heard yet, but I think it is only hot air. I can't think of TR-BR direct flights with the current fleet.

IST-NRT ~5603mi
IST-ORD ~5491mi
IST-KIX ~5455mi
IST-SIN ~5388mi

IST-GIG ~6388mi
IST-GRU ~6546mi

range of A340-300 ~6700mi
range of A330-200 ~6400mi

so the A332 can't do it and the A343 would fly up to its limits.
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 37):
not heard yet, but I think it is only hot air. I can't think of TR-BR direct flights with the current fleet.

I agree, more than likely, but maybe he knows something that we don't, could it be a Brazilian carrier?
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Wed May 16, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 35):
Expected bidders include TAV, FRAport, Celebi Handling, IC Ictas and is expected to go for approximately $2 billion with decision due early July.

TAV will probably get it.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 38):
Also my last TR is up and running;

Great report and pictures. Are you going to post some pictures from domestic flights too?

Have any of you seen TK's route map. When you click a destination a box with info comes up and some of it is pretty amusing. If you click a Turkish city under continent it says Turkey. If you click Shanghai for example the continent says Far East.
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 3:47 pm

I was contacted by BTA Airport Catering yesterday and they offered me a job at the reception of the Airport Hotel. I have an interview with them on Friday  Smile

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 37):
not heard yet, but I think it is only hot air. I can't think of TR-BR direct flights with the current fleet.

A nonstop flight would not be very feasible but maybe the LOS flight can be extended to GRU or GIG. If the LOS is doing well, it can be upgraded to a 330. This flight would eventually attract Middle and Central Asian pax as well as Russian/Ukranian ones if they come up with good connections...

IST-LOS : 4575 km (2843 mi)
LOS-GRU : 6348 km (3945 mi)
LOS-GIG : 6021 km (3741 mi)

As Turkish people do not need visa to most South American countries (inc. Brazil), the flight might eventually become popular with Turkish tourists too. Does Star Alliance have a Brazilian partner to codeshare with now that RG is gone?

I thought Washington would be launched as soon as TK got their 330s but still haven't heard anything regarding this...
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 40):
I was contacted by BTA Airport Catering yesterday and they offered me a job at the reception of the Airport Hotel. I have an interview with them on Friday

Quoting my own post  Smile My interview is at 10 AM and I am planning to go to Fly Inn later for lunch... I will grab a taxi but I don't know which cafes offer the best views... Any recommendations? Anyone who wants to join me are welcome of course  Wink
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:33 pm

About Flyinn: just go to the top floor where there is a common area with tables and chairs. that has the best view.
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Wed May 16, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 42):
just go to the top floor where there is a common area with tables and chairs. that has the best view.

....and the most variety of cafes!  Wink

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 40):
A nonstop flight would not be very feasible but maybe the LOS flight can be extended to GRU or GIG

this could be a good alternative, but are there open-sky agreements between those countries?
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 5:49 pm

Selamlar Beyler:

Some details about Romania, Bucharest ( OTP ) flights. At the moment TK has 9 flights per week. The load capacity is around 65%.

TK is also checking opportunuties for direct flights to ESB.

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Wed May 16, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 39):
Great report and pictures. Are you going to post some pictures from domestic flights too?

Have any of you seen TK's route map. When you click a destination a box with info comes up and some of it is pretty amusing. If you click a Turkish city under continent it says Turkey. If you click Shanghai for example the continent says Far East.

I will try to do the domestic part when i get a chance, thanks again for checking it out.
TK route map is cool, although I would have like to see a bit more info on the routes, like the type of plane used..
Also I caught a mishap on the latest Skylife. On the fleet pictures page, they have both the 738 and the 734s having winglets. JGG they show, 738, has fitted with winglets, but JDY the 734 don't have any. Am I wrong?
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 11:45 pm

Don't forget to add THY to Star Alliance too  Smile
 
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RE: Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May

Thu May 17, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 41):
Any recommendations?

home store has the best view including the approach paths for the 36s and 06

Quoting TK787 (Reply 45):
but JDY the 734 don't have any. Am I wrong?

not at all. Before they had non-winglet pictures but again both 738s. Maybe they don't know the difference?
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Tue May 22, 2007 10:28 am

ThereAndBack,
Thanks as usual for the video.
To give some explanation to English speakers:
-TK starts to refurbish its 340s soon , with the first one being done in France which will take 45 days.
-ORD goes to 5xweekly this summer
-Next N.American destination they are working on is Toronto, working on the bileterals.
-Miami is not in the plans.
-380 is not in the plans. It is "Yakisir" but a bit too big for their business plan.
-TK is looking at interim long haul planes, while waiting to decide on 787/350.