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PIA To Retire F27 Fleet, Sell 747-200s

Tue Aug 01, 2000 9:50 pm

I read in the news that Pakistan International has decided to retire its fleet of some 15 F27s, the type being considered for replacement are the ATR42/72 and Dash8, which do you think they'll chose.PIA is also selling off 4 of its 8 B747-200s and scrapping two for spares ( the six are grounded at present), wonder which type will replace them, most probably the 777 as they were in talks with Cathay Pacific to lease some as they have 6 of CXs 747-300s, the first Rolls Royce powered aircraft in PIAs fleet.
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RE: PIA To Retire F27 Fleet, Sell 747-200s

Tue Aug 01, 2000 9:59 pm

Some time ago PIA was in talks to buy 744s. The 743s are an interim solution.
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RE: PIA To Retire F27 Fleet, Sell 747-200s

Wed Aug 02, 2000 12:11 am

PIA is also planning on acquiring around five freighters. It has been a while since PIA decided to modernize their flight, but financial conditions have slowed down the process. I would like to see PIA replace the Fokkers with the ATR 72. I heard that PIA may get the 777 or 330 to replace the 742, instead of the 744 or 340.
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RE: PIA To Retire F27 Fleet, Sell 747-200s

Wed Aug 02, 2000 4:10 am

PIA has missed out on two great opportunities to buy the 747-400, the first was from Boeing which were selling 3 or more factory fresh Philippine airlines aircraft with a hefty discount, the second was some used 747-400s of Malaysia airlines, the first one was lost because the previous govt and the PIA management conspired to make the airline a loss maker so as to privatise it ,so the new equipment was not to be inducted, reason given was a lame one claiming that Boeing werent going to modify the aircraft to PIAs specefictions in time, in time for what? i ask, you dont look a gift horse in the mouth, PIA was saving millions of dollars on each aircraft in that deal, the second failed i dont know for what reason, the aircraft were later aquired by South African and Qantas respectively
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On The F-27s

Wed Aug 02, 2000 5:03 am

Is this decision by PIA to retire the Friendship's from their fleet, a financial decision, a modernisation decision or is it the fact that, along with UB, they have run the Friendship's safety record into the ground? Take a look at this for a *safety record* with the Friendship.

25.06.1964 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-ALO 0(26)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Dacca

08.10.1965 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-ATT 4(4)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Naran; nr

06.08.1970 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-ALM 30(30)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Rawalpindi; 11nm SE

30.12.1970 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-AUV 7(35)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Shemshernagar; nr

12.12.1971 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-ALX 4(4)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA near Iranian border

08.12.1972 Fokker F-27 Friendship 600 AP-AUS 26(26)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Maidan; nr

28.05.1973 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-AUW 0(40)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Lyalpur

16.12.1978 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-ATO 1(2)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Karachi

05.06.1981 Fokker F-27 Friendship 600 AP-AXF 0(3)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Gilgit

23.10.1986 Fokker F-27 Friendship 600 AP-AUX 13(54)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Peshawar; 10km S

25.08.1989 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-BBF 54(54)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Bunji

06.07.1994 Fokker F-27 Friendship 200 AP-ALN 0(42)
Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Dera Ismail Khan

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RE: PIA To Retire F27 Fleet, Sell 747-200s

Thu Aug 03, 2000 1:55 am

Scotty, the retirement is to facilitate modernisation of the fleet and not for safety reasons.
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RE: PIA To Retire F27 Fleet, Sell 747-200s

Thu Aug 03, 2000 9:03 am

anyone know if there is still that old Connie rotting away at Karachi?

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