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Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Thu May 03, 2007 12:10 pm

An Air Canada 767-200 (flight AC 757) came into SJC late this morning and left about 3 hours later to its final destination of SFO. Anyone knows what happened?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA757

Interesting thing was all the flight trackers (including AC's own website) showed "arrived" at SFO at 11 am when in fact it was at SJC.

Friend working at the airport said it went to the cargo ramp - it didn't even go to a gate.

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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Thu May 03, 2007 12:23 pm

It was due to "extensive ATC holds" at SFO. Arrived SJC 1203, departed 1346 and arrived SFO 1410.

Apparently there were low ceilings at SFO. The morning YVR-SFO flt (AC560) was delayed 1hr30, but that was mostly due to a late departure from YVR, awaiting a "wheels up" slot time. At least it wasnt stacked up like the YYZ arrival.

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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Thu May 03, 2007 1:43 pm

I was at the SJSU campus and my classmates and I was very surprised when we saw this bird come in. After it landed it was parked over by FedEx area. I am surpised to see the schdule from AC that they have the one 767 flight but the remaining flights appear to be 319 aircrafts. Seems they have limited seats for the route to YYZ from SFO. I remember they used to to have a 767 as one flight and the other flights were 320's.


YYZ-SFO
Flight Aircraft Departure Arrival Travel Time Stops Via
AC 5659 319 07:25 09:46 5 hr 21 mn 0
* AC5659 OPERATED BY/EXPLOITE PAR/UA-UNITED AIRLINES
AC 757 767 08:50 11:15 5 hr 25 mn 0
AC 755 319 15:40 18:05 5 hr 25 mn 0
AC 759 319 20:45 23:10 5 hr 25 mn 0

SFO-YYZ
Flight Aircraft Departure Arrival Travel Time Stops Via
AC 758 319 07:00 14:50 4 hr 50 mn 0
AC 5660 319 10:45 18:32 4 hr 47 mn 0
* AC5660 OPERATED BY/EXPLOITE PAR/UA-UNITED AIRLINES
AC 756 767 12:35 20:25 4 hr 50 mn 0
AC 754 319 22:25 06:13 +1 4 hr 48 mn 0
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Fri May 04, 2007 1:48 am

AC has added the 762 back to some YYZ-SFO/LAX skeds recently, for the initial morning flights out of YYZ. Likely for connecting UA flights to Asia. I have not looked forward enough in the schedules to see how long this will last.
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Fri May 04, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 3):
Likely for connecting UA flights to Asia

AC flies a lot of the same routes from YYZ as UA does from LAX. (Asia specifically)
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Fri May 04, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 3):
AC has added the 762 back to some YYZ-SFO/LAX skeds recently, for the initial morning flights out of YYZ. Likely for connecting UA flights to Asia. I have not looked forward enough in the schedules to see how long this will last.

767's operate the YYZ/SFO run until May 31st inclusive on AC757/756

767's will operate the YYZ/LAX run from July 1st - September 2nd on AC791/792.

Mainly 762's with the occasional 763 on both of the above services.
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Fri May 04, 2007 1:14 pm

I find it strange that they would use a 767 on the SFO until May31, as the summer season kicks off after June 10th when they would want the increrase in capacity. The timing for LAX is ideal, the SFO does not.
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Fri May 04, 2007 7:59 pm

Damn, too bad I missed it! Didn't even know Air Canada flew B767s to SFO...all I see are A319s/A320s.
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Fri May 04, 2007 8:24 pm

I suspect that the 767 is a substitution aircraft while several narrow bodies are undergoing "XM" refurbishment.

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 6):
I find it strange that they would use a 767 on the SFO until May31, as the summer season kicks off after June 10th when they would want the increrase in capacity. The timing for LAX is ideal, the SFO does not.

There is a substantial capacity increase on the YYZ > SFO route during the summer schedule. There is an upgauge from 3 to 5 daily flights offering at least 200 extra daily seats on the route.
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sat May 05, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting N53614 (Reply 7):
Damn, too bad I missed it! Didn't even know Air Canada flew B767s to SFO...all I see are A319s/A320s.

I was on AC756 yesterday (Thursday) and the flight was 100% full in Economy and First. It was operated by a 762 and was a very nice ride!

There were many unhappy passengers, as at boarding their was not enough space for roll-ons on and were making people leave them at the boading gate to go into the hold. The poor cabin crew got a right roasting from some passengers... Those overhead lockers on the 767-200's they operate are simply not big enough with todays hand baggage requirements.

Sorry, didn't get the number...
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sat May 05, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 1):
It was due to "extensive ATC holds" at SFO. Arrived SJC 1203, departed 1346 and arrived SFO 1410.

Apparently there were low ceilings at SFO. The morning YVR-SFO flt (AC560) was delayed 1hr30, but that was mostly due to a late departure from YVR, awaiting a "wheels up" slot time. At least it wasnt stacked up like the YYZ arrival.

Sounds like someone in flow control screwed up. That's a big error on someone in Oakland ARTCC's fault.
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sat May 05, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 5):
767's operate the YYZ/SFO run until May 31st inclusive on AC757/756

767's will operate the YYZ/LAX run from July 1st - September 2nd on AC791/792.

Mainly 762's with the occasional 763 on both of the above services.

Thanks for the clarification Rod.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 4):
AC flies a lot of the same routes from YYZ as UA does from LAX. (Asia specifically)

You are correct Ryan. However, AC is currently running tight on wide-bodies (at least according to on-going discussions on this board) so they are ill-prepped to add more Asia flights. Perhaps the rationale is too feed the excess to their Star Alliance partner UA. The daily morning YYZ-SFO 762 is an upgrade from the 321, and flies (almost) parallel with a UA 319 on the same route, so the demand is there for Star Alliance YYZ-SFO. If UA cannot afford a spare 752 for this route, AC perhaps could respond with the 762.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
The poor cabin crew got a right roasting from some passengers...

People need to travel lighter.  Smile
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sat May 05, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 10):
Sounds like someone in flow control screwed up. That's a big error on someone in Oakland ARTCC's fault.

In my opinion, SFO is like PHX and LAS, in that they handle an incredible about of traffic when Visual approaches are warranted .... but .... slow down to a snail's pace when put in minimum IFR conditions. Not much any one can do when the weather decides to throw a monkey-wrench into things.

I have come close to diverting from SFO many times when this happens. Its a shame when it finally does happen!
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sat May 05, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
There were many unhappy passengers, as at boarding their was not enough space for roll-ons on and were making people leave them at the boading gate to go into the hold. The poor cabin crew got a right roasting from some passengers... Those overhead lockers on the 767-200's they operate are simply not big enough with todays hand baggage requirements.

Well, too bad for the passenger! There is way too much crap people feel is essential to take on an aircraft, and if the person travelling originated in another country, or with another carrier, one would think they would have checked on what the carry on restrictions are for each carrier they are scheduled to travel, and planned accordingly. I get sick of seeing some of the crap people try to take onboard an aircraft, saying "it is very essential".
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sat May 05, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 12):
In my opinion, SFO is like PHX and LAS, in that they handle an incredible about of traffic when Visual approaches are warranted .... but .... slow down to a snail's pace when put in minimum IFR conditions.

SFO's parallel runways are too close together. In visual conditions they can do simultaneous approaches to both runways; typically, 28L/R for arrivals and a few heavy departures, with most departures on the intersecting parallels 1L/R. However, when the weather gets bad (which isn't all that common with San Francisco's reputation for fog), only one of the pair can be used, and as a result the airport's runway capacity is cut in half.
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 1:27 am

For those interested. AC has also been overnighting an EMB 190 in SFO.
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 12):
Not much any one can do when the weather decides to throw a monkey-wrench into things.

That's what flow control's job is, to keep airliners on the ground so congestion doesn't happen at airports during bad weather.
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting N53614 (Reply 7):
Damn, too bad I missed it! Didn't even know Air Canada flew B767s to SFO...all I see are A319s/A320s.

Frequency seems to be the reason AC switched to 319/320s on YYZ-SFO and YYZ-LAX. Nice to see the 767 coming back to SFO after 15 years.


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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Those overhead lockers on the 767-200's they operate are simply not big enough with todays hand baggage requirements.

Or people justtry to bring to much stuff and are not curtious to their fellow passengers (i.e putting a jacket or briefcase in the overhead bins)
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happene

Sun May 06, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting Chris133 (Reply 18):
Or people justtry to bring to much stuff and are not curtious to their fellow passengers (i.e putting a jacket or briefcase in the overhead bins)



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 11):
People need to travel lighter. Smile

It was just a flipant comment I put into my original thread, which I had noticed about the 767 when flying between SFO-YYZ-LHR... I did NOT have a roll-on with me...

As I had travelled from the UK originally, there was simply no way I was aloud to take that hand baggage with me into the cabin. All I had was a laptop, travel documents and MP3 player.
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):

It was just a flipant comment I put into my original thread, which I had noticed about the 767 when flying between SFO-YYZ-LHR... I did NOT have a roll-on with me...

Oh its ok nothing wrong with carrying a bag on, as long as you are mindfull of others and put the smaller one under the seat and don't put things like jackets and small bags in the bins untill the roller bag are in there. People just don't seem to get it that there is space on-top of them in the end (but thats a different thread)
 
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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 6:45 am

Actually guys the reason for the 767 for one month is cargo. In particular its cherry season. The asian carriers also increase flights for this time. Iv'e personally seen China Airlines Cargo 747's loaded with half the cargo being cherries.

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RE: Air Canada 767-200 At SJC Today - What Happened?

Sun May 06, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
It was just a flipant comment I put into my original thread, which I had noticed about the 767 when flying between SFO-YYZ-LHR... I did NOT have a roll-on with me...

Even with the original style bins, baggage stowage is not usually an issue on the 767's.

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