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UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:16 pm

It's official now, UA to start daily IAD-GIG and restart LAX-HKG.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070503/aqth054.html?.v=8

Both had been rumored for quite some time.

Flight schedule:
Flight Origin Destination Departure Arrival Frequency
867 LAX HKG 12:00 p.m. 6:15 p.m. Daily
856 HKG LAX 12:20 p.m. 9:35 a.m. Daily

Flight schedule:
Flight Origin Destination Departure Arrival Frequency
873 IAD GIG 9:32 p.m. 9:20 a.m. Daily
874 GIG IAD 10:05 p.m. 6:23 a.m. Daily

Great to see UA adding service to South America
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:20 pm

Brilliant news! Especially the Rio route comes a little bit surprising for me.

But What is the 744 doing all the time in Hong Kong? The timing offers perfect connections to UA's other flights from Hong Kong to Ho Chin Minh and Singapore in both direction. So can we hope that there will be another tag-on for the LAX flight?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:24 pm

Where are they getting the aircraft for this?

Nice to see IAD-GIG.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:26 pm

I see from the press release that the IAD-GIG is 'seasonal" but it doesn't actually say how long it runs for - I assume just the Southern Hemisphere summer ?

Washington, D.C.-Rio de Janeiro

United's new seasonal, non-stop service between Washington, D.C., and Rio de Janeiro strengthens Washington Dulles as the carrier's international gateway on the East Coast and improves United's current service to Rio by making it nonstop from previous one-stop service.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:29 pm

The Hong Kong flight has been discussed here for last few days
Rumor: United To Restart LAX-HKG (by AS739X May 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Thread starter):
It's official now, UA to start daily IAD-GIG and restart LAX-HKG.

I think LAX/HKG is a slam dunk, but I'm curious to see how IAD/GIG will do.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:32 pm

My question is this. Does the 3rd daily UA flight to Brazil come from a dormant ORD-GRU flight or will UA be cutting the earlier 2nd seasonal flight from IAD-GRU and in fact still be 2 frequencies?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 1):
But What is the 744 doing all the time in Hong Kong?

Good question, but with 4 other 744's per day transiting HKG, it most likely won't be the same airplane. It still arrives in time to do a SGN or SIN r/t and then go back to ORD SFO or LAX.

I think the real question is what are the planes going to do in S.A. It looks like they'll all sit for 12-15 hours...
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
I think the real question is what are the planes going to do in S.A. It looks like they'll all sit for 12-15 hours...

That's fairly standard; most longhaul routes between North America and the deep South America arrive in the morning, sit all day, and leave in the evening.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:37 pm

Will UA keep the GRU-GIG tag on?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:38 pm

I just checked the schedule and the 2nd IAD-GRU is gone.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
The Hong Kong flight has been discussed here for last few days
Rumor: United To Restart LAX-HKG (by AS739X May 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Appreciated, but it ain't a rumor now! Plus, IAD-GIG was lumped in with it, which is much more surprising than LAX-HKG.

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 9):
Will UA keep the GRU-GIG tag on?

Appears that has now been dropped.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 10):
I just checked the schedule and the 2nd IAD-GRU is gone.

What do you mean with "gone"? They cancelled the plans?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Thu May 03, 2007 11:50 pm

It's about time they restarted LAX-HKG. A friend of mine who works for Disney has been complaining for the longest time about having to connect in SFO to make the flight to HKG. Disney won't let him go on CX as it's too expensive for them.

As someone said earlier, this flight is a "slam dunk." I'm sure you'll see A LOT of Disney people on this flight.

Also, a smart move by UA as I think this is a pre emptive strike against DL, who's also considering HKG service (they did LAX-HKG in the past).

[Edited 2007-05-03 16:51:57]
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:01 am

Does anyone know the period of time that UA served the LAX-HKG market in the past? Was it for very long?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:06 am

Great news, not before time they brought the LAX - HKG back, mind you as its mentioned above, DL decision to possibly have a shot at the route might have had something to do with it, which means they are going to enter a tough market, when and if they do decide to go for it.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 12):
What do you mean with "gone"? They cancelled the plans?

I mean they cancelled the second daily seasonal flight from Washington to Sao Paulo. Now the three UA allocated frequencies in the peak will be:

1 daily IAD-GRU
1 daily IAD-GIG
1 daily ORD-GRU
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:28 am

Would it be possible to tag BLR to the LAX-HKG flight? I know there have been rumours about UA opening up India (again) through BLR.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 17):
Would it be possible to tag BLR to the LAX-HKG flight? I know there have been rumours about UA opening up India (again) through BLR.

As stated in the other thread regarding the LAX to HKG flight schedules

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 65):
The schedule is ideal for a tag-on and overnight at another city.

The usual candidates are BKK and SIN.

More of a stretch: KUL, CGK, and MNL

Since Star Alliance partners already fly to BKK and SIN from LAX, maybe KUL, CGK, or MNL aren't way off...

Most interesting tag on: DEL - it would be really tight, but it could occur if turn times are around 2 hours and departure from DEL is early morning ~2 AM.

Sample tag-on to DEL (using CX flight times)

HKG DEL Depart 8:45 PM Arrive 11:55 PM
DEL HKG Depart 2:00 AM Arrive 10:00 AM

BLR is ~130 miles longer than the DEL flight, so it's entirely possible, unless the headwinds are much different to BLR than DEL.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:41 am

Ive been waiting for this for a while now, and ITS ABOUT TIME!!!! I always hated stoping in NRT to get to HKG on UA. This will make things worlds easier!!! I think the flight will be successful too!!! CX has been filling their planes and making money rencently. With UA's LA client base, this should be a slam dunk for them!!!
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:49 am

Interesting. We are booked in late Feb '08 on UA's one-stop IAD-GRU-GIG service. I suppose we will automatically be transferred to the new non-stop? Or is the non-stop in addition to the one-stop?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 12:51 am

btw, looking at fall 2007 flight schedules, it looks as though the extra 3x weekly SFO-HKG and ORD-HKG frequencies will be discontinued as a result of the restart of daily LAX-HKG. I guess this sort of answers the question: "Where are these planes coming from?" I was looking forward to having 27 weekly USA-HKG flights too  Sad
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 17):
Would it be possible to tag BLR to the LAX-HKG flight? I know there have been rumours about UA opening up India (again) through BLR.

US Carriers do not have beyond rights from HKG to India. Even though in the US-India agreement its allowed, UA actually relinquished its India beyond rights in one of the recent US-HK agmts.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 20):
I suppose we will automatically be transferred to the new non-stop?

Answered my own question: We were transferred to the new non-stop. That's definitely good news for us, as we were theoretically going to have do GIG-GRU (change planes)-ORD-LAX, and now it's just GIG-IAD-LAX....
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting SkyCruiser (Reply 21):
I was looking forward to having 27 weekly USA-HKG flights too

Oh well, 21 is good too!!! Most importantly, UA is adding another gateway to HKG with LAX. Im my mind this is the biggest piece of the puzzle missing from UA's LAX-Asia network. I dont think they will fly from LAX-China anytime soon, so this is probably the best us in LA can hope for!!! Either way at least they will have the main two main centers in Asia covered with HKG and NRT!!!
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 2:01 am

Wow and i thought IAD-DEL would be on UA's mind!!! I guess not  Sad
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 24):
Oh well, 21 is good too!!! Most importantly, UA is adding another gateway to HKG with LAX. Im my mind this is the biggest piece of the puzzle missing from UA's LAX-Asia network. I dont think they will fly from LAX-China anytime soon, so this is probably the best us in LA can hope for!!! Either way at least they will have the main two main centers in Asia covered with HKG and NRT!!!

I think UA would have a very strong case if they applied for LAX-PEK or LAX-PVG with the next round of China frequencies. I don't think they'd be a shoo-in, but they'd probably have the best chance over picking another gateway.

Then again, DL and CO seem to be the front-runners this time (but of course, CO thought they were the front-runner in the last round, and we all saw how that went).
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 2:14 am

Wow, all airlines are granting me with gifts in my 2 years A.Net anniversary  Smile (just for fun)

Nice to see that UA finally decided to venture on IAD-GIG !!!!

I believe that they will extend ORD service with a leg to GIG or they will need to arrange a partner in order to provide feeder to Rio de Janeiro from Sao Paulo.

G3, RG and UA improving services to GIG...nice week  Smile

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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
Nice to see that UA finally decided to venture on IAD-GIG !!!!

Felipe hope you enjoy it.

Make sure to have many of your friends fly this seasonal flight. Unless they get good results, I doubt it will come back for 2008. This is somewhat an unusual risk for UA running such seasonal service.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 2:46 am

Great for UA at LAX, What took them so long ? I wonder how much this is a move at preventing Delta from going LAX to HKG with a 777-200LR in the near futre. Cathay, having 3 744 daily, owns the market at charges a huge premuim for Busines Class. At least its a day flight to Asia.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 3:00 am

Well, at least there will be two day flights to HKG now.. For UA passengers, this is another alternative to connect to other parts of SE Asia utilizing Star partners or possibly their own flights to SIN and SGN. It is much better than connecting at NRT as HKG has much better faciities than NRT.

I just wonder why there aren't any US carriers that have late night flights to Asia, which gets you in early morning. It's ideal for businessmen to have a whole day ahead and people making connecting flights.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 14):
Does anyone know the period of time that UA served the LAX-HKG market in the past? Was it for very long?

They served the route for nearly 2 decades after acquiring the Asia routes from PanAm.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 3:26 am

Does anyone know what dates make up this season for the seasonal GIG flights?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
I think LAX/HKG is a slam dunk, but I'm curious to see how IAD/GIG will do.



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 28):
Make sure to have many of your friends fly this seasonal flight. Unless they get good results, I doubt it will come back for 2008. This is somewhat an unusual risk for UA running such seasonal service.

Considering that UA use to almost fill one plane to/from GIG on summer last year, i should say that a non stop will be able to increase this number. I'm sure will do pretty well as UA will be the best option to reach not only IAD, but also New York, New Jersey, Boston and Canada from Rio. And not to forget BSB is easy to connect thru GIG with 4 times more flights than Guarulhos.
Also, be in mind that UA use to run very good flights from Rio to MIA and JFK in the past, so there are some valuable customers, and UA will be the only one with First Class service from Rio de Janeiro to the United States.

LaxIntl, i'm sure it will be not necessary ! Were not with CDG-GIG, MAD-GIG, LIS-GIG, MIA-GIG, ATL-GIG, EZE-GIG, PTY-GIG...... Rio is still under-served.

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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 26):

I think UA would have a very strong case if they applied for LAX-PEK or LAX-PVG with the next round of China frequencies. I don't think they'd be a shoo-in, but they'd probably have the best chance over picking another gateway.

Rumour is AA is going to ask for LAX-PEK (which was originally the plan for the 2007 award). UA wouldn't get it over AA, simply because, despite UA's larger network, AA only has one China frequency and UA has five. I think UA's best shot is SFO-CAN, but the shot is still slim to none.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Shane (Reply 32):
Does anyone know what dates make up this season for the seasonal GIG flights?

On Amadeus appears as flights IAD-GIG to begin November 2nd and GIG-IAD November 3rd.

Up to march 1st the flight keep available on the system.

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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:05 am

UA should do a tag on to Hanoi or somewhere since the parking fees at HKG are a killer.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 26):
I think UA would have a very strong case if they applied for LAX-PEK or LAX-PVG with the next round of China frequencies. I don't think they'd be a shoo-in, but they'd probably have the best chance over picking another gateway.

They have no chance because there has been a strange bias among regulators in pushing for East Coast service to mainland China. Nevermind that most of the demand is from the West Coast and LAX has by far the most demand for China service in the U.S. but has no U.S. flagged non-stops.

UA clearly wants SFO-CAN but has been previous rejected. The will almost certainly be rejected in the next round because they already have the most flights and won the previous round. After that the question would be requesting IAD-PVG or go back to trying SFO-CAN.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 18):
BLR is ~130 miles longer than the DEL flight, so it's entirely possible, unless the headwinds are much different to BLR than DEL.


DEL would come before BLR.
Perhaps they will restart HKG-NRT. I know this route used be served by a 744.
The key to remember with UA is that if they add a tag on, it will be to a more conservative destination where they know they can make money. Otherwise the plane will just sit at HKG and operate on of the 3 flights back to the states.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 25):
Wow and i thought IAD-DEL would be on UA's mind!!! I guess not

There aren't enough 744s to do that run. Now if they orderd the 748...  Wink

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
Where are they getting the aircraft for this?

I have noticed before a "random" 2nd 744 at LAX in the late afternoons. LAXNRT has already left by that time, so I'm guessing its that 3rd 744... wherever it comes from

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 36):
After that the question would be requesting IAD-PVG or go back to trying SFO-CAN.

Of which they probably stand a better chance at getting IAD-PVG, playing the politician's home turf to their advantage.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):

They served the route for nearly 2 decades after acquiring the Asia routes from PanAm

UA served HKG-SFO for over 2 decades, but not LAX.
Pan Am never served HKG-LAX non-stop.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:48 am

Thats great to see our Star Alliance partner UA back in Brazil  Smile
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 39):
Thats great to see our Star Alliance partner UA back in Brazil Smile

Huh? They never left.
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting PA006 (Reply 38):
UA served HKG-SFO for over 2 decades, but not LAX.

Correct. Although United took over the former Pan Am Pacific routes in 1986, nonstop service on the LAX-HKG route did not start until April 4, 1993.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 39):
Thats great to see our Star Alliance partner UA back in Brazil  

They never left Brazil...

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Fri May 04, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 37):
I have noticed before a "random" 2nd 744 at LAX in the late afternoons. LAXNRT has already left by that time, so I'm guessing its that 3rd 744... wherever it comes from

Isn't that the one for SYD?
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
I believe that they will extend ORD service with a leg to GIG or they will need to arrange a partner in order to provide feeder to Rio de Janeiro from Sao Paulo.

That's great news about the IAD-GIG. I'm sure it will become a year-round service in no time. As sure as I would love to see two UA 763 parked next to each other at GIG, I don't see that a tag-on would be necessary. GIG-IAD-ORD takes only 1:40h more than GIG-GRU-ORD and ORD-IAD-GIG only 50 min more than ORD-GRU-GIG, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 22):
US Carriers do not have beyond rights from HKG to India. Even though in the US-India agreement its allowed, UA actually relinquished its India beyond rights in one of the recent US-HK agmts.

Are you referring to 5th freedom from HKG to India? Can you explain what "relinquished its rights" mean. Why would an airline have to do it if there is US-HKG agreement in place.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 7:49 am

About time! I don't see this as a risk. I have no doubt this flight will succeed and that UA will push it all year long.

[Edited 2007-05-04 00:59:06]
Please insert a "smart" joke here.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 36):
UA should do a tag on to Hanoi or somewhere since the parking fees at HKG are a killer.

Perhaps they will have HAECO do some work for them?

Quoting PA006 (Reply 38):
UA served HKG-SFO for over 2 decades, but not LAX.
Pan Am never served HKG-LAX non-stop.

Ok, 8 years
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 8:44 am

I don't know about plane availability and bilateral restrictions, but if Delta can fly ATL-GIG and UA believes in a non-stop IAD-GIG, I can just imagine how well CO would do if they offered the only non-stop between Rio and New York. The feed at EWR plus local traffic to and from New York should work really well.
 
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RE: UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG

Fri May 04, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 22):
UA actually relinquished its India beyond rights in one of the recent US-HK agmts.

not entirely true. it is well accepted that any airline anywhere in the world has the right to connect its passengers at a foreign gateway and carry them onto another city where it has rights. UA may have given up its right to carry HKG to India passengers but it still has rights to connect passengers at HKG from its several US routes and carry them on to other destinations.

As for Brazil,

I believe all US carrier frequencies to Brazil are currently in use. DL gained its GIG route by "taking" an unused frequency (week's worth) from UA. CO could do well on IAD-GIG but there are no frequencies to do it. Tags are usually quite expensive and CO and UA have been serving GIG via tags on the end of their GRU flights.

DOT 4th quarter 06 financials came out in Aviation Daily today and UA continues to lose money to Latin America despite shrinking its Latin American system. Their IAD-GIG service is simply an attempt to preserve their 3rd frequency which isn't hard to do if you operate it just 3-4 months per year during the US winter when you have nothing better to do with a 767 or two.