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Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 4:41 am

Just took a look out my window here in Miami Beach and saw an AA A300 headed out over the ocean on the normal departure route, but unusually low.

So I fired up my flight tracker software and see that it is AA 2110, origin MIA, destination MIA, (supposed to be JFK) so I presume something is wrong.

Seems like there was a thread here a few weeks ago about an AA A300 bound MBJ-JFK that had to stop in MIA, they thought they fixed the problem, the plane left MIA and had to immediately return to MIA.

Wonder if this is the same a/c?
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 4:50 am

These planes are not exactly spring chickens. They are bound to go tech from time to time.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 4:53 am

Those planes are from 1988. They're plenty young.

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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 5:24 am

You know everybody bashes the AA Aribii.....but how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.

Yeah, the only reason I bring it up is that this plane was already airborne. And that a very similar thing happened with an AA A300 a few weeks ago here at MIA.

[Edited 2007-05-03 23:07:53]
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 7:23 am

This was a simple air turnback. There are plenty of reasons why one could happen. There are so many A300 flights out of Miami that you should expect one of these every now and then.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 12:15 pm

My AA 738 went tech on Tuesday from MIA to STX. Then they proceeded to lolly gag around with catering on the spare aircraft such that the crew timed out and the flight was cancelled. Had to do the crappy San Juan two step on my two "favorite" aircraft - those wonderful A300s you speak of and then the hotter than hell, packed in like sardines ATRs and I still haven't gotten my golf clubs back. Prime example of the direct flight not paying off when you sign up to avoid said scenario through SJU. We were joking that double jeopardy wouldn't play into it, however when you start throwing A300s and Eagle out of SJU into the mix, your odds double or triple.

Guess I should be thankful that I got a couple of extra FF miles and home on the same day I left  Smile. Glad I wasn't trying to leave STX on Tuesday on the Miami flight!
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
You know everybody bashes the AA Aribii.....but how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.

I think im one of the few AA A300 supporters on here! I find the plane has been wonderful on the few flights I've done, and if you want to compare the AB6 going tech, why not skip the 738 which is an almost new airframe, and compare the AB6 with a plane in the AA fleet thats just about the same age bracket, the MD-80's, 767-200's or 757s.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 2:38 pm

Seems more like an AA problem as you don't read about people bitchin over the LH 300s every two weeks and their cycles are much shorter.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 8):
Seems more like an AA problem as you don't read about people bitchin over the LH 300s every two weeks and their cycles are much shorter.

was thinking just the same. you dont hear much about 300s in this (and other) parts of the world...
are there any other operators beside AA in the US with 300s?
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 3:00 pm

Quoting Macc (Reply 9):
are there any other operators beside AA in the US with 300s?

FedEx, UPS, DHL, nobody with pax A300's though..
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 9:27 pm

You presume that there is something wrong, but you dont know anything about it, maybe they had a drunk passenger or a bird strike or whatever.

You have to alter the title of this thread imo

Just another AA Airbus 300 flame.

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Fri May 04, 2007 9:29 pm

AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes in a Boeing fleet. Nothing against A320, A330 or A340's but the A300 to be in passenger service today is past its prime. In Asia even Thai a big user of A300 has replaced them with A330's & 777's. I know, the A300 carries cargo to the islands, there are other ways to get frieght to Barbados and Jamaica.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:20 pm

I suspect some of those 767s are in more urgent need of renewel
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes in a Boeing fleet. Nothing against A320, A330 or A340's but the A300 to be in passenger service today is past its prime

I agree on earlier A300 models such as the A300B2 but not the A300-600. The -600 is from the middle and late 80s and early 90s so it is still a very modern aircraft. Same generation as most 757s and 767s flying around.
It is a second generation Airbus aircraft.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 14):
I agree on earlier A300 models such as the A300B2 but not the A300-600. The -600 is from the middle and late 80s and early 90s so it is still a very modern aircraft. Same generation as most 757s and 767s flying around.
It is a second generation Airbus aircraft.

   The A300-600 is just as modern & advanced a the 767.

[Edited 2007-05-04 15:38:54]
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting RuudOnline (Reply 11):
You presume that there is something wrong, but you dont know anything about it, maybe they had a drunk passenger or a bird strike or whatever.

You have to alter the title of this thread imo

Just another AA Airbus 300 flame.

Actually, I like flying on the AA A300s. Those takeoffs seem as powerful as any on a 757 that I have experienced.

What I was hoping for when I posted this topic was that someone at AA could tell us what happened, and if it was the same a/c as the one that had the incident a few weeks ago.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:48 pm

I've flown AA 648 and 1639 3x in the past week with mechanicals causing at least 60 minute delays 4 times...quite annoying. Flame or not, there are obvious issues with the AB6
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting Macc (Reply 9):
are there any other operators beside AA in the US with 300s?

About 157 active A300s in the USA, the biggest fleets are
FedEx 59
UPS 53
American Airlines 34

Fedex also has 68 A310s.

Some smaller operators have them as well, Air Macau also operate them N registered in Asia.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
In Asia even Thai a big user of A300 has replaced them with A330's & 777's.

Still see the TG A300s about, the look like they are being worked hard, still with 20 in the fleet AFAIK.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes

That's false and totally untrue.

Typical example from a Boeing fanatic. The A-300's serve pretty well and they're the most suitable aircraft for some AA's destinations.

AA maybe will ask Boeing the 787-3 in a mid-term and then you will be happy for seeing an all-Boeing fleet in AA. But right now the A300 is a very accurate airliner for AA. Period.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Fri May 04, 2007 11:10 pm

I wonder in what way the A300 contributed in AA not having to go into chapter 11 while many of its competitors had to?
They seem to earn big time in the Caribbean and therefore compensating a lot of loss making routes when things where bad in the US airline industry just after 9/11
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes

"That's false and totally untrue."

I think he finished with "in an all boeing fleet." He never said the A300 sucked as an aircraft.

"I wonder in what way the A300 contributed in AA not having to go into chapter 11 while many of its competitors had to?"

I don't know. That may have definitely contributed, but then look at CO. They don't operate the A300, and AFAIK they haven't gone through Ch.11 since 9/11. Maybe its the airlines' business models??
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 12:47 am

How is AA's maintainence program? Did they cut the more experienced guys? Did they contract out like NW did?

Reason why I ask, is that FDX runs in and out of ROC multiple times a day without a problem. During the 17 months I've been at ROC, AFAIK there have only been about 5 A306's that have had problems where they had to be fixed here or ferried. So using FDX as the model for maintainence, is it possible that AA may be skimping or not just paying attention to detail as they used to?
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 12:49 am

dont get me going on the problems I have had with AA's A300's, otherwise I will be here all night!!

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Sat May 05, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting Baw2198 (Reply 22):
How is AA's maintainence program? Did they cut the more experienced guys? Did they contract out like NW did?

Reason why I ask, is that FDX runs in and out of ROC multiple times a day without a problem. During the 17 months I've been at ROC, AFAIK there have only been about 5 A306's that have had problems where they had to be fixed here or ferried. So using FDX as the model for maintainence, is it possible that AA may be skimping or not just paying attention to detail as they used to?

I doubt it. I don't know about their relatively small airbus fleet, but AAs maintenance procedures, especially on the massive MD-80 fleet is an industry standard, with many other carriers contracting to have them do their maintenance. Their operation in TUS and others around the country are about the most effective, fast, and efficient maintenance operations available today.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Baw2198 (Reply 22):
Reason why I ask, is that FDX runs in and out of ROC multiple times a day without a problem. During the 17 months I've been at ROC, AFAIK there have only been about 5 A306's that have had problems where they had to be fixed here or ferried. So using FDX as the model for maintainence, is it possible that AA may be skimping or not just paying attention to detail as they used to?

Are you kidding? AA A/C utilization is at least 2 times more than Fedex, then on top of that,comparing an Airline with a cargo outfit is apple and oranges.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting RuudOnline (Reply 11):
Just another AA Airbus 300 flame.

Not really. Seems more like curiosity to why there was a problem, not just out to bring the A300 down. Even at that, it is one of the more poor performing a/c in the AA fleet. I agree that it is time to part with them.

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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 1:37 am

I can see that the thread starter was trying to ask a question and just speculating, therefore it is not his fault that this thread has turned into an A300 bashing thread.

The A300 is not a bad airplane, and like people have said, it suits many of AA s routes very well. AA is renowned for their MX reputation. At the end of the day, all aircraft go tech. The age of these birds is unrelated, I would say it is just a matter of luck, and possibly too high usage. With a fleet of a/c as big as AAs, theres bound to be a few techs

[Edited 2007-05-04 18:38:18]
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 1:59 am

So instead of arguing about Airbus vs. Boeing, ad nauseum, does anyone have any additional information as to the nature of the problem which forced this flight back to MIA yesterday? I take it once and a while--last time 2 weeks ago, and would be curious if in fact it was a rudder issue.

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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting Baw2198 (Reply 22):
How is AA's maintainence program? Did they cut the more experienced guys? Did they contract out like NW did?

Answer's in this order. Doing more with less but getting the job done, no but retirements are starting to increase however there's still plenty of experience left, and no they did not do a NW and contract out.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 8):
Seems more like an AA problem as you don't read about people bitchin over the LH 300s every two weeks and their cycles are much shorter.

Most likely a case of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 2:14 am

Didn't an AA A300 go tech a couple months back flying from JFK- MIA and have to make an emergency landing at DAB?
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
They are bound to go tech from time to time

Not familiar with the phrase "go tech". Fill me in?
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting BAC111 (Reply 32):
Not familiar with the phrase "go tech". Fill me in?

Broken.

I'm surprised after all the times this topic has been viewed that there hasn't been one AA person who could have looked up what happened and let us all know.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 33):
I'm surprised after all the times this topic has been viewed that there hasn't been one AA person who could have looked up what happened and let us all know.

Flight 2110 MIA-JFK on 3 May was operated with aircraft 084. On takeoff roll, the Captains PFD airspeed indication was 70 knots behind the FO PFD and both standby indicators. Repeat item. The Captain elected to return to MIA.

Flight 2110 was operated with aircraft 075 at 1823 that evening.

Aircraft 084 is still OTS at MIA.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 6:09 am

Thank you DC10Hound!
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 13):
I suspect some of those 767s are in more urgent need of renewel

i dont know to much about there 762ERs but there 763ERs are not to old (and i dont think any 762ERs go over the Atlantic anymore)
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 8:05 am

I was meaning to comment on the past thread about the MBJ-JFK flight that diverted, twice, to MIA. I flew with three of the flight attendants on that flight about a week after the incident and, contrary to what was posted here, there was no dramatic movement of the aircraft. As reported before, the aircraft "spiralled 180 degrees" and turned abruptly with the nose rising and dipping. Sounds quite dramatic. In truth, the flight attendants working the flight said you would have never known something was wrong if the cockpit didn't tell them. The aircraft, to the cabin crew and pax's perspective, behaved normally. No dramatic movements. And they said the aircraft landed normally, even noting the landing was particularly smooth.

As for another A300 returning to MIA, it probably happens more than we think. AA's fleet of Airbii is not small, at 34 frames, and with the amount they use them, there are likely to be issues.

By the way, AA does a significant amount of maintenance for FedEx at AFW. I don't know if this includes the A300s or not, but going to answer another question, the vast majority of AA's maintenance is done in house, and furthermore, many other airlines contract their maintenance to AA.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 12:20 pm

Thanks DC10Hound for providing the information. Very much appreciated!
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 2:56 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
Those planes are from 1988. They're plenty young.

Only compared to a NW DC-9.  Wink

Ok, seriously, aircraft are designed for 25 to 30 year economic lives. Yes, some go longer... But that's what most go for.

So next year they'll be 20... Approaching D-check #3. Ok, that is putting on the years. That is often the D-check to turn them into freighters. (Not that I expect AA to do so, but maybe they'll sell them?).

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
FedEx, UPS, DHL, nobody with pax A300's though..

Yep... PanAm had some (sold to DL).

Should the A300's eventually be replaced? Yes. Today? No. It should be part of AA's plan to scrap the 767's and consolodate to one fleet. Why isn't the fact that quite a few AA 762's are beer cans being noted? Any replacement will be done for cost/profit. Higher fuel prices will cause the retirement to be early. But the A300 has done well over the years.

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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 13):
I suspect some of those 767s are in more urgent need of renewel

Very true, I flew MIA-GIG, the 767 went tech and arrived 4 hours late via GRU, the return, also went tech. We waited for a flight from GOL that might have had the required part, nope, the crew timed out and I was forced to stay another night in GIG, oh my.

I agree with the posters that think both of these frames are due for some replacements.
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
You know everybody bashes the AA Aribii.....but how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.

That may be true, but AA operates 4X the number of B-737-800s as they do the A-300-600Rs. The B-737s also fly more hours and flights compared to the A-300s.
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 8):
Seems more like an AA problem as you don't read about people bitchin over the LH 300s every two weeks and their cycles are much shorter.

sometimes these aircrafts doing 7-8 flights per day between FRA and TXL/MUC/HAM/LHR
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 4:43 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 39):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
FedEx, UPS, DHL, nobody with pax A300's though..

Yep... PanAm had some (sold to DL).

And how could we forget Eastern, which bought something like 34 A300s and was the type's first big supporter outside Europe and Asia?
 
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RE: Another AA Airbus Problem Today

Sat May 05, 2007 5:14 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes in a Boeing fleet. Nothing against A320, A330 or A340's but the A300 to be in passenger service today is past its prime. In Asia even Thai a big user of A300 has replaced them with A330's & 777's. I know, the A300 carries cargo to the islands, there are other ways to get frieght to Barbados and Jamaica.

FALSE! Do you think that LH flies there aircraft past the prime?

AA's problem is that they bounce these planes all around the Caribbean.
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