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CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 8:37 am

SEATTLE, May 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - News) and Continental Airlines today announced that the airline will be the first U.S. carrier to use the Boeing Class 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) on its 777s. Boeing has delivered the second of two 777-200ER airplanes equipped with the Class 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) to Continental Airlines. The airline accepted delivery of their first EFB-equipped 777-200ER in March. Continental also selected the Boeing EFB to retrofit on its previously purchased 777s.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070501/sftu097.html?.v=101

Continental is the first carrier in the united states to start using this system. The same Jeppessen products are available electronically in the cockpit. It will help the airline work towards a paperless cockpit.

[Edited 2007-05-04 01:38:56]
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 11:39 am

forgive my ignorance, but what aircraft are capable of handling this package? I would think something like this would make more sense for an aircraft that would fly to a multitude of cities. 777s especially for CO usually fly to only a few cities...CDG LGW etc whereas commuter aircraft are often in any of hundreds of different cities on any given day. This just brings to mind Comair 5191, would this have made any difference?
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 1):
forgive my ignorance, but what aircraft are capable of handling this package?

Eventually all CO aircraft with have EFBs, the company promised the union they would install them by the 787's EIS

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 1):
777s especially for CO usually fly to only a few cities...CDG LGW etc whereas commuter aircraft are often in any of hundreds of different cities on any given day.

The crews still carry about 60lbs worth of paper in their nav kits

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 1):
This just brings to mind Comair 5191, would this have made any difference?

Yes it would have, EFBs can be equipped with an airport moving map function

[Edited 2007-05-04 04:48:54]
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 11:52 am

Some info in here...
Boeing And CO Announce B777 EFB Order/delivery (by 777ER May 1 2007 in Tech Ops)
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 11:56 am

very nice...so no possibility for regional jets in the near-term?
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 4):
very nice...so no possibility for regional jets in the near-term?

My airline wants to get them, they've tested out the different models, talked with the manufacturers, etc. The one problem is that the FAA is going to require us to have both electronic and paper for 1 year to ensure everything goes smoothly and the airline can't make it cost effective to have both systems for an entire year. So, for now, we'll keep throwing out backs out with our flight cases. *sigh*
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 1):
I would think something like this would make more sense for an aircraft that would fly to a multitude of cities. 777s especially for CO usually fly to only a few cities...CDG LGW etc whereas commuter aircraft are often in any of hundreds of different cities on any given day.

While that might be true, I believe the crews on the 777s have to carry all the documentation for any possible diversion airport. I may be wrong, but a CO 777 flying EWR-DEL has to have tons of way points and charts for every part of airspace that they fly through.
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Fri May 04, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
a CO 777 flying EWR-DEL has to have tons of way points and charts for every part of airspace that they fly through

Has a nice hefty database in the FMC that is for sure, as do all the CO aircraft.......database el grande'!  Smile
IIRC, CO sometime back upgraded all their aircraft to a larger database than some other operators have but the exact size of it slips my mind.

And, bravo to CO for going to the EFB......yet another example of the leading edge technology with their flight ops that CO adopted long ago.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 4):
very nice...so no possibility for regional jets in the near-term?

All QX aircraft will be equipped with EFBs, including the Q200s. Installation should begin later this year. This will include displays both on the flight deck and one in the cabin for the Flight Attendant.
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 12:56 pm

So what happens when something goes wrong with the system in an emergency... I don't think this is a great idea to go all paperless.
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):

If you rode jump seat on an aircraft you might be surprised what happens when a pilot has to rely on paper. Take away a pilot's FMS and for the most part they struggle to figure out the Jepp charts. (What do those symbols mean again?  Wink ) The only thing Jepp charts are routinely used for are as sun shades in the eye-brow windows. As they say, if you don't use it you lose it.

Statistically speaking, the technology is very reliable and the chance of losing both EFBs is very small. If you do, then you are having a very bad day and might want to consider that God is trying to send you a message.....
 
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 1:15 pm

BTW NZ has been using Electronic Flight Bag on its 772ER into and over the USA for over a year now.
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 1:40 pm

NorCal

Not sure where you get your information from, we use Jepp charts all the time and even know what the ''symbols' mean

Most of us do not have EFB'S.


We have dedicated sun shades.

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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 3):

I thought I had started a thread on this before. It was started in Civil Av, but it was moved into Non Av, then into Tech ops.
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RE: CO Is First W/ Boeing Electronic Flight Bag In US

Mon May 07, 2007 3:40 pm

Wow, congrats to CO

When I was in the Southwest Flight Ops - Publications department, they were looking heavily into it but it was still at least 5 years away (that was in '04). The EFB is quite convenient and handy from what I've read (provided you dont run out of batteries  Smile )
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