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Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 12:59 pm



Looks awesome, with this and the interior upgrades AA is really stepping up it's game  yes 

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 1:14 pm

very cool! i think they look great!
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 1:18 pm

looks cool...where did you find this pic?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 1:22 pm

looks really good!! hope to see more of it on other carriers!!!!


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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 2):
where did you find this pic

Here's little trick: Hover your mouse over the picture, right-click (if you use any Windows OS), select "Properties" ("Picture properties" in some browsers). You'll get an answer in an eye-wink!  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 7:33 pm

Not a big suprise, but the wingletted B767 looks pretty nice!

Is American adding winglets to their B767-200s or just the -300s?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting N53614 (Reply 6):
Not a big suprise, but the wingletted B767 looks pretty nice!

Is American adding winglets to their B767-200s or just the -300s?

All 767's....

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
Looks awesome, with this and the interior upgrades AA is really stepping up it's game

Winglets look great. Too bad the interior upgrades do not pertain to the Y cabin.
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 6):
All 767s....

Btw, Welcome on A.net

Nice to know the -200s are getting some love too. Thanks for the info and the welcome.  Smile
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 11:22 pm

Are the -200s receiving winglets? I thought, and according to the APB website, that only the -300ER/F's were currently in development....

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products/767-300ER.html
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 11:30 pm

The winglets look sick on the 67!!

I hope AC decides to put them on some of their B763s, and if they do, I hope they paint a small maple leaf on them.

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 11:35 pm

How many miles further will 767 fly with winglets than those without?

Curius..

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 11):
How many miles further will 767 fly with winglets than those without?

Roughly around 360nm further.

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Fri May 04, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 11):

According to the AA press release....up to 360nm further.


Also, after reading the release from AA, it is only the 58 767-300ER's which will be outfitted

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...Releases/2007_04/25_winglets.jhtml
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 12:04 am

How long till airlines like Delta and AC order? DL plans on keeping those 67s for a veeeeeeeeeeeery long time.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 12:49 am

67 will be the civilian B 52 who will fly and fly. Read that USAF gonna retier the BUFF in 2045...

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Aamr (Reply 13):
Also, after reading the release from AA, it is only the 58 767-300ER's which will be outfitted

mmm strange, on a topic last weak someone say'd that also the 200's will be fitted with winglets..

anyway, my mistake.
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 1:27 am

how come they aren't using the raked wingtips like on the 764ER and 77L and 77W and even the 787? I thought raked wingtips were better for longer range and winglets were better for short range. The wingtips look good tho!
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 1:50 am

This looks really good. I did wonder when this might happen. AA has some pretty new 763s, so I can see the need for these, as they wont be leaving the fleet anytime soon
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 2:03 am

Aren't raked winglets harder to install and would keep them out of service longer? They look sweet. Outside of the 360nm range addage, what kind of fuel economy improvements are we looking at?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 11):
How many miles further will 767 fly with winglets than those without?

I looked at some numbers produced to study the benefit of winglets for 757 and the 767 claims seem to match the 757 claims very closely. If so, the average improvement for most flight profiles will be in the 40% – 50% range of their high number. That is, a range improvement of about 140 – 180 nm, payload improvement of about 4800 – 6000 lbs and fuel savings of 2.6% – 3%.
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 2:23 am

Can't wait to see it up close. This should keep the guys at AFW busy for awhile.  Smile
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 2:43 am

Very handsome airliner....... but man , it needs a caption " Honey....... I blew up the 737.."
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 3:02 am

Is this an actual photo or just an artist's/draftman's conception? (Somehow, it doesn't look "real") thx
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 17):
I thought raked wingtips were better for longer range and winglets were better for short range.

Aren't winglets a bit pointless (if not counter-productive) on short trips?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 4:02 am

It's good to see AA being AAggressive, or somewhat aggressive in staying competitive. Let's hope there's a nice 787 order in 2007 and some hints about new routes/ expansion of current services.

Way to go AA!!!!!
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 4:31 am

Beautiful A/C. Can't wait to "eventually" see it in Hawai'i with the winglets on.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 4:35 am

Nice to see AA do this, along with the winglets and moderised cabins these birds are going to have a lot of mileage left in them, I for one don't see this as a bad thing! long live the 767!  Wink
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 5:25 am

Does AA have a white livery now? Or just a bad artist?  Confused
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 5:44 am

Aren't raked winglets harder to install and would keep them out of service longer? They look sweet. Outside of the 360nm range addage, what kind of fuel economy improvements are we looking at?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 5:49 am

I apologize for the dbl post. Computer is on the fritz.

Thanks guys.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 15):
Read that USAF gonna retier the BUFF in 2045...

Unless they find a way of upgrading the upgrade made to the upgrdaded upgrade, in which case quite possible will see the 100 years old BUFF  Wow!
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 6:07 am

IMO it looks like junk. a nice wing is one without garbage hanging off them.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 16):
on a topic last weak someone say'd that also the 200's will be fitted with winglets..

anyway, my mistake.

Didn't AA retire their 762s a few years ago?  Confused I know DL & UA did; not sure about CO.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 33):
Didn't AA retire their 762s a few years ago?

Nope. Still flying.

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 33):
Didn't AA retire their 762s a few years ago

No, they still run them on:

LAX-JFK
SFO-JFK
MIA-JFK
JFK-BDA

I think that's it.

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting LMP737,:
This should keep the guys at AFW busy for awhile

Well now that AA and DFW signed a 3 year lease for the old Delta hangar...$250,000 a month,
this might be a good place to install the winglets.

How long does it take to refit winglets to an aircraft?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 7:28 am

American retired the non-ER 767-200's a few years back. The -200ER models are still in the fleet, less the airframe lost at LAX recently.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 33):
Didn't AA retire their 762s a few years ago? Confused I know DL & UA did; not sure about CO.

CO's 762s are pretty much brand new - they have the new interior, PTVs at every seat. No reason for these to be retired until the 787s come along (and probably long after that).
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 7:50 am

Loving the sight of those, they are huge Big grin



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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 8:48 am

US Airways better get their hands on these.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 8:54 am

how tall are the winglets on the 757 and 767?
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 41):
how tall are the winglets on the 757 and 767?

i'd like to know this too. also how much larger are these compared to 737 winglets?
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 9:42 am

I guess I'm in the minority. Though I of course understand the benefits provided, I find (blended) wingletted 767s to be absolutely repulsive-looking.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 17):
and even the 787?

Not all 787s will feature rakes. None of the 783s will.

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 24):
Aren't winglets a bit pointless (if not counter-productive) on short trips?

Not always, as there are several factors to consider. They can aid in field/takeoff performance as well.
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 9:45 am

Refitting the 762's with the winglets doesn't make much sense as they won't be staying in AA's fleet for that long anymore I assume. Because of this it may not be worth the investment.

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 10:35 am

Twin-engined MD11!

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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 42):
Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 41):how tall are the winglets on the 757 and 767?
i'd like to know this too. also how much larger are these compared to 737 winglets?

The winglets on both the 737 and the 757 are 8-feet 2-inches tall. The winglets for the 767 are a whopping 11-feet tall.

The prices for these things are off the charts too. I didn't realize the kits cost so much:

737 (700, 800 and 900 series): $850,000 per pair (before installation)
757 (200 series): $900,000 per pair (before installation)
767 (300ER/F): $1,850,000 per pair (before installation)

American has 58 763ER aircraft, so they're spending well over $100 Million on this effort.
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 11:02 am

SWEET!

I was expecting it to look dumb like the 777 winglets, but it looks completely natural here!
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 11:23 am

CO should be flying with them before AA. CO worked with Boeing hand in hand with the 757 (being their launch customer), and while halfway through that project they worked out the R&D and prices for the 762's. The pilots group has been chatting about 762's w/winglets since late '04.
 
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RE: Boeing 767 Winglets Picture

Sat May 05, 2007 2:12 pm

Am I the only one that can't see the picture?

Apparently so.

Can anyone put a link up, as well perhaps?

Thanks!

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