gilesdavies
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Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:02 am

I flew back home from San Francisco yesterday via Toronto on Air Canada and arrived at about 12noon... As our 767-300 turned off runway 09L, a further Air Canada 767 landed immediately after us and another A330 arrived about 7 mins later as we was pulling into the gate.

Also I counted a further 6 Air Canada aircraft (1x A330, 2x A340 and 3x 767) at gates as I walked through terminal 3 to immigrations.

I appreciate London is Air Canada's busiest international route outside of the USA or Canada, but how many flights to they exactly send to London? Are they one of the biggest international carriers flying into LHR?

In baggage reclaim at LHR I noticed LHR arrivals from places like Edmonton and Willipeg and had never heard of these destinations until I checked them out on a map!

Would it be possible to divert one or two of these flights way from LHR and maybe fly to other cities in the UK like BHX, MAN, NCL or GLA? The 767-200 would be ideal! Other carriers like Zoom, Thomas Cook, Air Transat and FlyGlobeSpan all seem to be very successful on their Toronto flights from regional UK airports.

BTW - I flew back on a 767-300 with the XM interior and was great!

[Edited 2007-05-05 21:20:37]
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

Would it be possible to divert one or two of these flights way from LHR and maybe fly to other cities in the UK like BHX, MAN, NCL or GLA? The 767-200 would be ideal!

MAN-YYZ currently operates a daily 767 summer only.
GLA-YYZ has been dropped due to poor yields, thanks to loads of competion from the likes of Air Transat and TCX.
BHX and NCL wouldn't be able to sustain a daily service to YYZ, perhaps 4 weekly, although these cities are currently served by TCX and GSM to YYZ and YHM (wherever that is  duck  Wink during the summer
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Willipeg

It's Winnipeg!
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:20 am

AC is pretty huge in LHR. They have somewhere around 15 departures, which I believe makes them number three on transatlantic flights from LHR which puts them behind only BA and AA.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:44 am

I hope someone can do the research - I'm far too lazy. But it is interesting, I flew to LA on British Airways t'other day and as usual was amazed how many maple leaf tails there are at LHR (and man I love their new blue colours). I think YYZ gets four a day, YUL gets one or two (I think two), YVR gets two, and there's a scattering of one-a-day destinations like Ottowa (YOW's only trans-Atlantic service on AC), Calgary, Edmonton et al. I know Winnipeg doesn't get any nonstop action on AC. Which reminds me...

Quoting Feroze (Reply 2):
It's Winnipeg!

It's Winterpeg!
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:48 am

Air Canada will operate the following flights from London/Heathrow this summer:

Toronto - YYZ
AC869 - EQV
AC863 - 763
AC857 - EQV
AC849 - 333
AC859 - 763

Vancouver - YVR
AC855 - 333
AC897 - 333

Calgary - YYC
AC851 - 77W
AC853 - 763

Ottawa - YOW
AC889 - 763

Montreal - YUL
AC867 - 763
AC865 - 763

Halifax - YHZ
AC861 - 763

St. Johns - YYT
AC831 - 319

Edmonton - YEG
AC889 - 763

Rob!   

[Edited 2007-05-05 21:50:53]
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 4:55 am

They fly from Winnipeg too? Wow. I didn't know that.

They have flights from the following cities (I hope I get them all):

Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton (I think this is new)
Halifax
St. John's (and not St. John)

and now Winnipeg too.

Yeah, that's good coverage. No wonder you spotted nine AC aircraft at LHR.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 5:23 am

You can bet Air Canada has atleast one daily flight to most major cities in Canada. To Toronto they have four since it is the most important city. Given the historic links of the Canadian Dominion with the UK this is normal. The same situation exosts with all the Anglo countries, the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Jm017 (Reply 6):
They fly from Winnipeg too? Wow. I didn't know that

That's cuz they don't. Winnipeg which used to fly under the flight numbers 858/859 hasn't operated for years, and was restricted to seasonal service.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Would it be possible to divert one or two of these flights way from LHR and maybe fly to other cities in the UK like BHX, MAN, NCL or GLA?

GLA - dropped last year after 50 years of service (PIK/GLA).

BHX - previously operated IIRC for a 2 year period and dropped

MAN -down to very limited seasonal service 01Jul - 16Sep. Wouldn't be surprised to see it follow the lead of GLA following this summer.

At it's peak, LHR as also had onward service to the following destinations:
BOM/SIN
DUS
NCE
DEL
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YYZ//Who's Next?

Sun May 06, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
AC863 - 763

Actually AC863 operates with a combination of 762/763 equipment, and is a seasonal additional sold as all "Y".
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
That's cuz they don't. Winnipeg which used to fly under the flight numbers 858/859 hasn't operated for years, and was restricted to seasonal service.

And even then, during the summer 1991 season as an example, AC858/859 operated YWG-LHR/LHR-YWG non-stops on Sundays only, effective from 16 June through 8 September, with 767 (-200ER) equipment.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Jm017 (Reply 6):
They fly from Winnipeg too? Wow. I didn't know that.

Oh man, I already said they DON'T fly to Winnipeg, they had a go in the 70s with a weekly 747 and in the 90s with a weekly 767. Neither did the trick.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
At it's peak, LHR as also had onward service to the following destinations: BOM/SIN, DUS, NCE, DEL

Had completely forgotton about these extra sectors (with full fifth-freedom rights IFRC). Since I couldn't be arsed to hunt down the schedules for LHR earlier, instead I shall make this my contribution to the thread:

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YYZ//Who's Next?

Sun May 06, 2007 6:32 am

Bit of trivia. Flight **858** has made the rounds.

As mentioned above, 858 operated YWG/LHR.

On what we termed the "Global Flight", 858 was originally the flight number for YYZ/LHR/BOM/SIN, but because of numerology superstition in the Chinese culture (IIRC a 5 between two 8's means luck, bad luck, luck...or something to that effect), the flight number was changed to 888. Maybe one of our esteemed Asian colleagues can conifrm this tale.

Presently 858 is the last daily YYZ/LHR flight.

I can't be "arsed" to track down the schedules either, but IIRC -

LHR/BOM/SIN operated 4 times weekly.

LHR/DUS was a daily extension of 856 (YYZ) or 866 (YMX)

NCE was an extension of 866 (YMX) schedule varied with season

DEL operated briefly through the slower summer season replacing the A340 non-stop. Don't recall the flight number.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 11):
Oh man, I already said they DON'T fly to Winnipeg, they had a go in the 70s with a weekly 747 and in the 90s with a weekly 767. Neither did the trick.

Sorry. I guess i missed your comment.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 10):
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
That's cuz they don't. Winnipeg which used to fly under the flight numbers 858/859 hasn't operated for years, and was restricted to seasonal service.

And even then, during the summer 1991 season as an example, AC858/859 operated YWG-LHR/LHR-YWG non-stops on Sundays only, effective from 16 June through 8 September, with 767 (-200ER) equipment.

AC also used the DC-8-63 YWG-LHR in the 1970s. I remember a YVR-YWG-LHR flight on a DC-8-63 around 1973.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
At it's peak, LHR as also had onward service to the following destinations:

Air Canada onward service from LHR in their 28 April (Summer) 1985 timetable:

AC858 YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN 3, 5, 6 L15
AC856 YYZ-LHR-DUS X 1, 2 747/L10
AC866 YYZ-LHR-DUS 1,2 747/L15
AC852 YVR-YEG-LHR-DUS 4 L15

Also appearing in the same timetable is a full-spread ad promoting Air Canada's onward services within Europe titled "The best airline in Europe isn't European at all. It's Air Canada." One section of the ad promises, "We'll fly you in style between these European cities."

Paris-Geneva-Paris
Paris-Munich-Paris
Paris-Zurich-Paris
Frankfurt-Zurich-Frankfurt
London-Dusseldorf-London
 
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Sun May 06, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):
AC858 YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN 3, 5, 6 L15

Frequency went to 4 a week with the 74M.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):
AC852 YVR-YEG-LHR-DUS 4 L15

Forgot about that one. There were actually 2 flights LHR/DUS/LHR on Thursdays.

Paris-Geneva-Paris (Tag end of AC870)
Paris-Munich-Paris (Tag end of AC880)
Paris-Zurich-Paris (Don't recall this one, as ZRH was a stand-alone flight AC878 for years)
Frankfurt-Zurich-Frankfurt (As above...were these operated during the offpeak winter period??)
London-Dusseldorf-London (Tag ends of AC856/866/852)

Thanks for the memories.

Remember vividly there was an "incident" with a famed super-model on a CDG/MUC flight on the L15.
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[Edited 2007-05-06 01:29:02]
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 10:27 am

I definately saw a Wollipeg flight on the arrivals board yesterday at LHR in the baggage reclaims area...

Unless it is like US Airways that use the same flight on some of their flights to Europe from PHL and share the same code to onwards destinations like Las Vegas but use another aircraft. US does this on their PHL-LGW flight.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 12:20 pm

LHR is one of my favourite airport to hangout. I've been to LHR at least 11 times during my life time  Smile. Its nice to see AC have huge operations out there  Smile
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 12:40 pm

Air Canada's flight concentration on one airport like LHR leaves them vulnerable to unforseen circumstances such as a terrorist strike, fuel shortage or labor dispute etc. Having one's eggs in one basket has it's advantages as well as disadvantages at times.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 12:41 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):

Thanks for this wealth of information, B742. Are all of these flights operated daily?
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):



Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Calgary - YYC
AC851 - 77W
AC853 - 763

Thats intereseting, the 777 is on the YYC-LHR route this summer........how come it does not appear on any other UK route this summer?
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 19):
Air Canada's flight concentration on one airport like LHR leaves them vulnerable to unforseen circumstances such as a terrorist strike, fuel shortage or labor dispute etc. Having one's eggs in one basket has it's advantages as well as disadvantages at times.

Yes, you're right. They should also scale back operations in Toronto and Vancouver for the same reason. In fact, they should fly no more than one flight a day from any airport to any other point. That would spread the risk of being an airline evenly.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 2:38 pm

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 19):



Quoting BOE773 (Reply 19):
Air Canada's flight concentration on one airport like LHR leaves them vulnerable to unforseen circumstances such as a terrorist strike, fuel shortage or labor dispute etc. Having one's eggs in one basket has it's advantages as well as disadvantages at times.

If the demand is there why not take advantage of it? If AC can fill 4 widebodies a day from YYZ to LHR why not? Should something unforeseen happen to the LHR market I am sure that AC will find a way to redirect all of its metal to other destinations.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting Sebring (Reply 22):

They should also scale back operations in Toronto and Vancouver for the same reason.

YYZ and YVR are not vulnerable to the disruptions that LHR would be.
A terrorist strike is a prime example  duck 
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 24):

What's your point? That AC should shut down its biggest overseas destination and fly to regional airports in the UK that can't possibly make the same profits over the long term?
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 7:47 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
MAN-YYZ currently operates a daily 767 summer only.

I have booked my in laws on this flight for the last three or four summers, it is much more convenient then flying to LHR and then finding a connection on to the North. The flight seems to have good loads, so I wonder why not year round? If it has been tried and the loads where low then I can understand.
I know that Zoom, BMI and Air-Transat fly the route, but flying with them defeats the purpose of "partner passes"
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 10:19 pm

I would like to see the trans-atlantic A-319 flight. I didn't know the A319 was certified for ETOPS. I imagine AC is doing YYT LHR service so they can preserve their slot at LHR. Do you think St John's is the smallest city to receive scheduled LHR service? On second thought Port of Spain isn't exactly large either.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Sun May 06, 2007 11:39 pm

I'll be on AC898, YEG-LHR on Tuesday. (Then on to AMS).
I'm curious to find out what this is going to be like.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
St. Johns - YYT
AC831 - 319

- I didn't think a 319 had the range for a YYT to LHR flight?

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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 12:35 am

St. Johns - YYT
AC831 - 319

- I didn't think a 319 had the range for a YYT to LHR flight?[/quote] Yes A319 have the range to do YYT - LHR..
It's already in service for that route but only for the summer season  Smile.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 25):

Air Canada should be building up their FRA and CDG operations at a faster pace.
I bet that LHR is the most expensive European airport that they operate into since most inbound flts.
have to hold in a stack for 15-30 minutes prior to landing. This is just one example of expense
with regards to fuel.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 31):

Air Canada should be building up their FRA and CDG operations at a faster pace.
I bet that LHR is the most expensive European airport that they operate into since most inbound flts.
have to hold in a stack for 15-30 minutes prior to landing. This is just one example of expense
with regards to fuel.

At LHR, AC pasengers make many connections, not just to other Star carriers but to a lot of Middle Eastern carriers like QR and EK. There is a large O&D market for the UK as well. The Canada-Germany market is not nearly as large. I can't think of a Canadian city that could sustain new FRA service with the possible exception of YEG. As for France, it is not a Star hub, there are few interline opportunities, and I don't see what is there for AC to exploit. Your arguments are not at all convincing.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 1:02 am

LHR is a very expensive airport, fuel wise to fly into.
Those stacks are the killer.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 1:11 am

When will the B777's come online? I presume some of the B777's will be on the YYZ-LHR runs?  scratchchin 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Willipeg



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 17):
Wollipeg

There is no flight from Willipeg or Wollipeg. It's WINNIPEG and thats what it said on the arrivals board.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I presume some of the B777's will be on the YYZ-LHR runs?

They already are, as far as i'm aware  Wink



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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 1:23 am

Here we are, taken at LHR Big grin


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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 36):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I presume some of the B777's will be on the YYZ-LHR runs?

They already are, as far as i'm aware  Smile



Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 37):
Here we are, taken at LHR  biggrin 

...oh...didn't even know they were on the LHR runs already, very nice... bigthumbsup 

thanks for the updates.. thumbsup 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Calgary - YYC
AC851 - 77W

Are you sure about this flight being operated with the 77W? I thaught the AC 77W would be flying YYZ-LHR only this summer until more 77W's will be delivered later in the year (?). I remember from another thread is that AC will start using their 77W from YYZ to LHR, FRA and NRT (?) At for this summer...

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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 32):
I can't think of a Canadian city that could sustain new FRA service with the possible exception of YEG

It's only a matter of time (and available aircraft) that we see YOW-FRA or YOW-YHZ-FRA. There is sufficient onwards Star traffic, that this flight would do very well.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 3:01 am

Any chance of AC starting service from LHR to Wippineg??  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 41):
Any chance of AC starting service from LHR to Wippineg??

Don't think YWG has enough sustained growth to make a year round service viable. At best, could see seasonal summer service, but something tells me that AC is slowly migrating away from these kinds of flights. GLA & AMS are gone, and the seasonal additions fly for roughly a three month period, down from the April - October span we saw a few years back.

Think the long term goal at AC is to find year-round profitable routes.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 3:18 am

Quebec has a large passenger catchment pool for French bound travellers.

On another note, we are approaching summer strike prone season for LHR and Air Canada is very vulnerable to take a blow here.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 3:42 am

i guess they should shut down yyz. it's the second most expensive airport in the WORLD. LHR is bread and butter. FRA is strong. CDG makes no sense as its not a star hub.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 44):
they should shut down yyz. it's the second most expensive airport in the WORLD.

I would put a big question mark on that one.
When one factors in the burnt fuel and wasted time from holding in stacks in order to be sequenced in for landing at LHR, I venture to say that LHR is the world's most expensive airport.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 4:05 am

Given the slot constraint at LHR, is (are) there any more flights AC can add to LHR? Has AC explored the possibilities of A380/748i in the future?
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
In baggage reclaim at LHR I noticed LHR arrivals from places like Edmonton and Willipeg and had never heard of these destinations until I checked them out on a map!

Yikes... Willipeg?

Be careful on here saying such things. Us Canadians could could get a little heated with comments like that. Those are some pretty major cities in our little county up north.
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 45):
wasted time from holding in stacks

Can we infer from your comments that holding only occurs at LHR and at no other airport in the world? The most aircraft I've heard at MAN in the hold is 16 in the old days of a single runway - the highest number in terms of sequencing I've heard since then in 8 (and that was quite late at night)

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
BHX - previously operated IIRC for a 2 year period and dropped

Route flown was YYZ-MAN-BHX around 1988/1989. If BOE773 wants to look for a waste of fuel, I suggest operating MAN-BHX with an L1011 would be number 1 on anyone's list.
 
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RE: Air Canada - LHR Operations...

Mon May 07, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 48):
Can we infer from your comments that holding only occurs at LHR and at no other airport in the world?

No.

LHR beats all other airports for holding time in stacks by a long shot.