koopas
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Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 7:52 am

Hello,

What kind of pin is removed before taxiing? I've heard of two types of pins.

1) The safety bypass pin (inserted to prevent the nose gear from retracting/collapsing)
2) The steering lock pin (to prevent the gear from turning by rudder pedals input)

Thanks for the clarification.
Koopas
 
VC-10
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 7:57 am

The steering By-pass pin is removed before taxi. This pin via an isolation valve isolates the steering actuators from the hydraulics so the tug can turn the nosegear.

It is part of the Flt Dk crew pre-flight to chk the nosegear downlock pin is removed before flt.
 
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 8:03 am

After push back the nose leg lock pin is removed. From what I remember at BA / LHR the pushback engineer then holds the pin up with its warning flag for the captain to see on the wave off.
 
koopas
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 8:07 am

VC10, is the nosegear downlock pin the same as the steering pin? Or are you talking about the same pin?

Are 2 pins removed? I've only seen one pin being waved by the marshall to the pilots.
 
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 8:20 am

It depends on the aircraft. Some have 2 pins and some have one.

The two different ypes of pins as previously mentioned are the steering bypass pin, and the gear pins.

The steering bypass pin is inserted to disconnect hydraulic power ffor the steering from the nose wheel tiller, and the rudder pedals.

Not all planes have this. Even if they have it it is seldom used. It is common practice to disconnect trhe nose wheel steering torque linkage anytime the tow bar is connected. Some companies even remove hydraulic power to the system as further backup.

The gear pins are only inserted to perform maintenance functions on the airplane, and are not usually installed on a regular basis. However again it is some companies policy that whenever the plane is under tow the nose gear must be pinned.

So the pin that the marshall holds up is either the nose gear pin, or the steering bypass pin. depending on comapny policy.

JET
 
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 9:39 am

Hi all,

At Air Canada, we used to use a nose down-lock pin to secure the nose gear from retracting while towing/push-back, however, this is no longer used for ramp operations. They used to be used on most aircraft types, however, the only a/c we use it on now is for towing operations with BAe-146's. I beleive maintenance still uses this pin during maintenance operations.
We do use a steering by-pass pin for all operations on all a/c (except B-737's which don't use any pins and BAe-146's).
As mentioned, this pin disconnects the hydraulics so the nose wheel can only be turned by the tow tractor and not with the steering tiller or rudder pedals.

Phil
 
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 9:59 am

We had a discussion a while back about the nosegear pins.

On the 737 we finally decided that you could either insert a bypass pin to isolate the steering or shutdown the "A" hydraulic system. When I was at Alaska they did the latter, but a bypass pin was used on the MD-80's.

A lot of aircraft you don't worry about it, On the Metro as long as you keep the tires between the red lines on the NLG you are fine. A Lear has a steering deactivation switch, when it shuts down there are no turn limits. A CASA 212 has a pair of spring loaded pins on the nose gear scissors link that disconects the link. Then you can turn that nosegear through 360.

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dc10
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Wed Aug 02, 2000 3:41 pm

Hi, I think that we can see the steering lock pin on the following (and very nice) photo:

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Photo © Colin K. Work


Am i wrong?
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Thu Aug 03, 2000 2:15 am

DC10

Yes you are wrong, it is on the RHS of the leg
 
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Sat Aug 05, 2000 6:50 am

An excellent picture of a 737 bypass pin can be found here.

http://www.chris.brady.ukgateway.net/nosewheel.htm
 
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RE: Nose Gear Pin Removed After Pushback/powerback

Sat Aug 05, 2000 11:21 am

Here is a shot from the front of the aircraft.


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Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Rafal Szczypek

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