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Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 12:04 am

It has been an eventful week at Lexington with the Queen's visit in a BA 777. Questions have been raised about how such a large aircraft can manage with such a small runway etc.....

Well here is a video of the Dubai Air Wing's 747-400 departing KLEX, using runway 22 (7000ft)




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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 12:11 am

I love all that dust being kicked up
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 1):
I love all that dust being kicked up

I think it's a wet runway and not dust....

Anyway, that plane probably wasn't flying non-stop from the LEX to the Middle East. Most likely it is making a stop at a facility with a longer runway for refueling before heading back home.

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
Anyway, that plane probably wasn't flying non-stop from the LEX to the Middle East. Most likely it is making a stop at a facility with a longer runway for refueling before heading back home.

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 2:48 am

I dont think that video was made this weekend though
 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 2:51 am

I'm sure this has been asked before, but bear with me. Why would any number of VIPs be flying into LEX for the Kentucky Derby, when SDF is literally across the street from Churchill Downs?
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 2:53 am

All of the farms are in Lexington.

The queen was staying near lexington and flew by helicopter to Louisville.

The 747 here in the video was there because the sheikh was buying horses at Keeneland, opposite the airport.
 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 6):
I'm sure this has been asked before, but bear with me. Why would any number of VIPs be flying into LEX for the Kentucky Derby, when SDF is literally across the street from Churchill Downs?

Because Lexington is where all the breeders come to for the auctions and for Keeneland which is a major social event twice a year. Lexington is the "Horse Capital of the World" with more high end horse farms that you can shake a stick at.
Also here are equestrian hospitals and research facilities that these people are involved with.

These people know each other and have these massive mansions on their stud farms to entertain and put up guests, as with the Queen.

If you come to Lexington, you will see why they prefer to come, go, and stay here and road trip to Louisville for the day. It is just an hours limo ride or 20 minute copter ride. They can land, have a limo waiting, take a 10 minute ride to a friends farm and aviod all the hassle of going to Louisville.
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 7):
All of the farms are in Lexington.

Well, not IN Lexington any more, a souce of much resentment and debate here. We shop and live on what were once horse farms that produced Derby winners.

We had lunch today at a "Max and Erma's" built on the site of a former farmhouse and they had pictures of all the famous horses bred there in the entryway. Progress....
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 3:56 am

The VIP aircraft may have gone into KLEX, but when the cargo aircraft comes in to actually move the horses around, you will generally see it on the ramp in KSDF.
 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Higherflyer (Reply 9):
but when the cargo aircraft comes in to actually move the horses around, you will generally see it on the ramp in KSDF.

That may be true, but the number of horses flying in and out, especially to the equestrian hospital, suggest that a good portion are loaded in Lexington. I wonder what the ratio is. I do know there are a lot of high end horse transportation companies here running between Lexington and Louisville, but I see them going into KLEX too.
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting Gh123 (Thread starter):
It has been an eventful week at Lexington with the Queen's visit in a BA 777. Questions have been raised about how such a large aircraft can manage with such a small runway etc.....

Questions? What questions? A lightly loaded 747 uses very little runway. Check out this Airliners.net posting on the subject Minimum Runway Length For 747 (by Boston92 Aug 9 2006 in Tech Ops) . The runway is 7003 ft X 150 ft http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0704/00697AD.PDF . I routinely see 747s operating on a similar sized runway where I work.

I fly DC-10s for a living. A lightly loaded DC-10 will be airborne before the 3000 foot marker. Although my company says the minimum length we need is 7000 ft, it can fly into and out of smaller runways if needed. The same is true with the 747.

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 8:43 am

The LEX 747 takeoff and everything else on this thread is nothing. Nothing can beat this....

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 12):
The LEX 747 takeoff and everything else on this thread is nothing. Nothing can beat this....

I don't want to sound boring but it was only a landing. Sure the runway was narrow but they only had to get it on the ground. Still, it was a tremendous bit of flying and a good video.

Quoting Dc1030guy (Reply 11):
Questions? What questions? A lightly loaded 747 uses very little runway

You're absolutely right but people have been saying that there have never been 747s at KLEX. The video was posted to prove otherwise.......one of those people was even a KLEX local.
 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 13):
I don't want to sound boring but it was only a landing. Sure the runway was narrow but they only had to get it on the ground. Still, it was a tremendous bit of flying and a good video.

I totally disagree! They landed the 747SP on a runway that was 50 ft. wide, 4,898 ft. long at an elevation of 5,482 ft and stopped it with room to spare! That is significantly more challenging than taking a lightly loaded 747-400 off of a runway that is 150 ft wide, 7,008 ft long at 979 ft.

According to Boeing specs, a 747-400 can be loaded up to 700K and as long as the pressure altitude is under 2000, the take-off length required is under 7000 ft on a standard day. Reducing weight lowers that length to a minimum of around 5,800 ft. So LEX is well within the performance specs for a 747-400 that is lightly loaded.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7474sec3.pdf

However, according to Boeing specs, an empty 747SP, landing at a near empty weight of 300K requires approximately 5000 ft. to land on a standard day at a pressure altitude of 5000 ft. Meaning that the captain landing that 747SP had to get his mains down right at the threshold to have a chance at safely landing, not to mention lining up on a 50 ft. wide runway when your main bogeys are 36 ft. wide. He did it without over heating the breaks or blowing a tire. Significantly more difficult than a take-off at LEX.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7471sec3.pdf

[Edited 2007-05-09 03:30:42]
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 11:05 am

I loved seeing that sight while I lived in Lexington! Man, great video and thanks for the memories KLEX!
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
However, according to Boeing specs, an empty 747SP, landing at a near empty weight of 300K requires approximately 5000 ft. to land on a standard day at a pressure altitude of 5000 ft. Meaning that the captain landing that 747SP had to get his mains down right at the threshold to have a chance at safely landing, not to mention lining up on a 50 ft. wide runway when your main bogeys are 36 ft. wide. He did it without over heating the breaks or blowing a tire. Significantly more difficult than a take-off at LEX.

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With the facts, i have to agree the landing was definetely more amazing due to the specs you mentioned. A 747 lightly loaded takeoff from a 7000ft runway IMO is similar to takeoffs at SDU with A319's and 737's with a distance of 4,400ft, impressive but not unbelievable. The Landing of that SP is simply amazing.
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
I totally disagree! They landed the 747SP on a runway that was 50 ft. wide, 4,898 ft. long at an elevation of 5,482 ft and stopped it with room to spare! That is significantly more challenging than taking a lightly loaded 747-400 off of a runway that is 150 ft wide, 7,008 ft long at 979 ft.

Agree 100%

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 2:03 pm

Cool landing & great background tune...  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 3:23 pm

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 13):

I don't want to sound boring but it was only a landing. Sure the runway was narrow but they only had to get it on the ground. Still, it was a tremendous bit of flying and a good video.

Give me a break! The runway was 50ft wide for crying out loud and you call it only a landing!

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):

I totally disagree! They landed the 747SP on a runway that was 50 ft. wide, 4,898 ft. long at an elevation of 5,482 ft and stopped it with room to spare! That is significantly more challenging than taking a lightly loaded 747-400 off of a runway that is 150 ft wide, 7,008 ft long at 979 ft.

According to Boeing specs, a 747-400 can be loaded up to 700K and as long as the pressure altitude is under 2000, the take-off length required is under 7000 ft on a standard day. Reducing weight lowers that length to a minimum of around 5,800 ft. So LEX is well within the performance specs for a 747-400 that is lightly loaded.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7474sec3.pdf

However, according to Boeing specs, an empty 747SP, landing at a near empty weight of 300K requires approximately 5000 ft. to land on a standard day at a pressure altitude of 5000 ft. Meaning that the captain landing that 747SP had to get his mains down right at the threshold to have a chance at safely landing, not to mention lining up on a 50 ft. wide runway when your main bogeys are 36 ft. wide. He did it without over heating the breaks or blowing a tire. Significantly more difficult than a take-off at LEX.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7471sec3.pdf

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Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 17):

Agree 100%

Landing at Rand > Takeoff at LEX by far

Thankyou for the detailed responses... That was an amazing landing if you ask for my opinion... A sad ending though for the B747SP...

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
I totally disagree! They landed the 747SP on a runway that was 50 ft. wide, 4,898 ft. long at an elevation of 5,482 ft and stopped it with room to spare!

And all with just idle reverse as well. I recall that SA already flew a 747, specifically ZS-SAN (aka Lebombo) to it's retirement place at QRA, and the pilot managed to get the aircraft perfectly centreline and just cracked the reversers a little open, and stopped the aircraft with enough runway to spare. That's great piloting what those pilots did when flying ZS-SPC and ZS-SAN to QRA. Simply amazing!
 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 4:31 pm

I cannot really relate to the first video but it is always wonderful to see a 747. But the second, it was awesome. Truly impressive. And you can say whatever you want about specs here and there, it still *looks* pretty amazing putting that jet down there!

Thanks for sharing, both vids!
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 4:35 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
According to Boeing specs, a 747-400 can be loaded up to 700K and as long as the pressure altitude is under 2000, the take-off length required is under 7000 ft on a standard day. Reducing weight lowers that length to a minimum of around 5,800 ft. So LEX is well within the performance specs for a 747-400 that is lightly loaded.

I saw this SP take off from GVA using only a third of the 12,000 foot runway. Of course it was only fueled for a short hop to Paris, and probably did not have many pax, but still impressive.


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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 8:23 pm

Just to add my  twocents  :

A couple years ago I watched a UPS 747-100 take off from SDF Runway 29, which is only 7200 ft long. She had only a little bit of headwind but took off with a full load of cargo using just over half the runway length. I was rather impressed by the display of power the 747 displayed. I have also seen 747s land on this same runway, usually in windy conditions.

Even more impressive, (and more appropriate for this thread) I watched N521UP in all her colorful Olympic glory take off from SDF runway 17R on a ferry flight to ORD. 17R was only 10,000ft at the time. She got about halfway down the runway and then just appeared to shoot straight up. Never seen a 747 climb the way she did.
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 8):
We had lunch today at a "Max and Erma's" built on the site of a former farmhouse and they had pictures of all the famous horses bred there in the entryway. Progress....

 Wow!

Oh! So THAT's where the best horsed are bred, eh? In the entryway? Got it!

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 8:44 pm

Last year i watched the Dubai 400 depart KSDF, and he ate up all the runway on 17R, not to mention the wing flex visible after the departure, he was going nonstop to Dubai from KSDF.
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Wed May 09, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 13):
Quoting Dc1030guy (Reply 11):
Questions? What questions? A lightly loaded 747 uses very little runway

You're absolutely right but people have been saying that there have never been 747s at KLEX. The video was posted to prove otherwise.......one of those people was even a KLEX local.

Even people who live in Lexington have told me that I was full of it when I said a VIP 747 was sitting across from Gate 2 at Keeneland, when we were AT KEENELAND last year for the Derby.

I showed them this photo I snapped as we turned into gate 2 and got a "well I'll be damned". Not kidding.

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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Thu May 10, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
The runway was 50ft wide for crying out loud and you call it only a landing!

I'm not saying that it was bad piloting, but if they knew it couldn't have been done it then they wouldn't have tried.
 
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RE: Video Of 747-400 Departing Lexington, KY

Thu May 10, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Jerald01 (Reply 24):
Oh! So THAT's where the best horsed are bred, eh? In the entryway? Got it!

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