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Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Wed May 09, 2007 2:20 am

I have just found a picture on PlanePictures.net of Brussels Airlines Next A330-300, which was an Air Madrid aircraft before they went bust, and I noticed that it was powered by Pratt And Whitney and the rest of their fleet of A330-300's is powered by General Electric.

Why didn't they buy GE powered A330-300's?

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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Wed May 09, 2007 3:54 am

Because Sabena Technics, one of the world's best technical centres, is probably equally qualified to take care of this type of engine.
 
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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Wed May 09, 2007 4:20 am

The lack of second hand A 330's plays a big role here, they are next to unavailable at the moment.
Even with Sabena Technics being certified for both engine type, any airline with a small fleet will prefer engine commonality to reduce cost. The lack of an A333 with GE-engines made them to go after this bird.
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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Wed May 09, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
The lack of second hand A 330's plays a big role here, they are next to unavailable at the moment.
Even with Sabena Technics being certified for both engine type, any airline with a small fleet will prefer engine commonality to reduce cost. The lack of an A333 with GE-engines made them to go after this bird.

Prior to being forced to make the decision to go second hand, older aircraft, there is the lack of funding at the source of everything in SN. It is my belief that if an airline can't make good money on a route using current aircraft at normal prices and has to hunt for bargain oddball flying machines, it's better not doing the business at all.
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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Thu May 10, 2007 5:36 pm

BrightCedars, I unfortunately agree with you, SN looks really poor and weak. Indeed, besides the noteworthy exception of the American legacy carriers (but maybe not for much longer...) and a few other "losers", any airline around the globe is buying/leasing new aircrafts massively right now. I recon that SN is not in a strong position on its market but I really wonder if it will ever be the case. The optimistic people could argue that SN is about to operate 10 new long-haul aircrafts out of Brussels if we consider the deal they just finalised with Jet Airways, but if this deal is successful, it is pretty sure that it is mainly Jet's cash flow that will be fed by that success, well before SN's one, so I don't hope to see SN growing its fleet that much subsequently.

To come back to the intitial topic, it's actualy pretty funny to see that. It's an exact replay of what Sabena did in the last years before its collapse. They started to operate 3 A333/GE (OO-SFM, SFN, SFO) in 1996/97 and added in the following years 6 A332/PW (SFP through SFU, bought through a joint deal with SR and OS, probably one of the single good move of Qualiflyer) and also leased a single A333/PW (OO-SFX, from Garuda if I remember correctly) with which they had some troubles. At that time (say 1999) I understood that this last aircraft got her access denied to the USA, because of the lack of a few regulatory emergency cabin equipments (I don't know for sure, but there must be some truth in what I was told though). So that aircraft was eventualy confined to the African operations. Some ex-Sabenian could probably shed some more light on that other Sabena crunchy story.

In conclusion, like in every business, you can save some money at the time of the initial investment by buying sub-standard or non-optimum equipment in regard of your needs, but then you repay it sooner rather than later in higher operating costs/lower customer satisfaction/etc. One way to get out of this vicious circle is to have shareholders ready to through some money in the battle but it's not exactly the case of SN's sharholders.

Good luck Brussels Airlines though. I wish them sincerely the best.
 
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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Thu May 24, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Tomcat (Reply 4):
A333/PW (OO-SFX, from Garuda if I remember correctly)

was in fact an ex-MH bird that later flew for Air Luxor.

And yes I can confirm Sabena Technics is handling all powerplants available on the A330 even the Trents.


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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Thu May 24, 2007 9:28 pm

Sabena Technics (bought by the French company TAT Technics ) has indeed an excellent reputation throughout Europe for quality maintenance .They are perfectly capable to handle most engines and frames up to D-check level.
Sabena -sorry -Brussels Airways - has nevertheless a pending major issue of strategy,management and lack of funds.
Fleet renewal is overdue,long-haul fleet completely insufficient,network-strategy hopeless. A major take-over candidate but without too much assets . their African network is the only bright light in their operations but lacks of consistency and new destinations.Feeder network into Brussels lacks attractiveness ( old AVRO fleet..) and the amount of code-shares dilutes corporate branding awareness.
SN will be dead in the water in two years without rapid change of direction and investments.
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RE: Brussels Airlines Odd A330 Fleet

Thu May 24, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 6):
Feeder network into Brussels lacks attractiveness ( old AVRO fleet..)

The Avro fleet is not that old, as it was delivered second half of the 90's. Except for the BAE146-300's, most of the fleet is not even 10 years old. Ok, they're no spring chickens, but in aviation terms they're still quite young.

I do believe that they should look into expanding their 737/A319 fleet, which currently consists of only 13 planes.
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