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WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:07 am

I just had a few questions about WN's fleet of 73G's.
1. What is the range?
2. What are their CFM57-7's rated at?
3. What are the longest routes they're utilized on?
4. How many more 73G's do they have on order?
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:28 am

1. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_700tech.html

2. 24,000 lbs of thrust each

3. BWI-OAK is 2051nm..

4. A bunch of them. The specifics are burried at the bottom here:
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...dcn=0000950134-07-001724&Type=HTML
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
just had a few questions about WN's fleet of 73G's.
14. How many more 73G's do they have on order

274 owned 111 on order. According to Wikipedia.
 
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
2. What are their CFM57-7's rated at?

I don't really keep up with WN, but did they not just order a PIP for their engines... or was that for their Classic models?
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
3. BWI-OAK is 2051nm..

I'm guessing that this flight rarely gets dispatched with any weight restrictions when operated with a 73G...am I correct in that assumption? I know that the rare days pop up when you are fighting hellacious headwinds westbound...
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
I'm guessing that this flight rarely gets dispatched with any weight restrictions when operated with a 73G...am I correct in that assumption? I know that the rare days pop up when you are fighting hellacious headwinds westbound...

I've yet to see one. In the winter, with the strong headwinds, we plan best-wind routes which arc them north (sometimes as far as MOT) to minimize their time in the jetstream. I've yet to see a -700 fuelstop...
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
I don't really keep up with WN, but did they not just order a PIP for their engines... or was that for their Classic models?

That was a couple of years ago. The -700s came with 22,000 lb engines, and the upgrade was to 24,000 lbs...
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 8:22 am

If WN's 737-700's have the 24,000lb engines, then surely, even in strong headwinds, they would easily make it transcon. Why exactly hasn't WN opened a hawaii route. The 73G with winglets can easily make it.
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7):
If WN's 737-700's have the 24,000lb engines, then surely, even in strong headwinds, they would easily make it transcon. Why exactly hasn't WN opened a hawaii route. The 73G with winglets can easily make it.

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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
BWI-OAK is 2051nm..

Quick request for clarification - may be a silly question. It seems that PHL-OAK is a teeny-tiny bit longer (great circle distance). Is it the actual dispatch routing that makes the BWI-OAK longer than PHL-OAK ? Thanks.
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 9):
Quick request for clarification - may be a silly question. It seems that PHL-OAK is a teeny-tiny bit longer (great circle distance). Is it the actual dispatch routing that makes the BWI-OAK longer than PHL-OAK ? Thanks.

Not silly at all, and you're quite correct, PHL-OAK is longer, at 2,085nm.

Both distances were not Great Circle, but via the filed ATC routes..
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7):
hy exactly hasn't WN opened a hawaii route. The 73G with winglets can easily make it.

WN doesn't have ETOPS certification, and they don't want to go to the expense of creating a subfleet of ETOPS 737's just for that one route. They have a code share partner ATA that flies to Hawaii.
 
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 9:10 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
3. BWI-OAK is 2051nm

Someone beat me to the PHL-OAK route. But as for longest leg ever flown, I believe it was the SEA-FLL nonstop flown by flt 164 (this was due to MCI being closed for weather) sometime in Feb or Mar of this year.
 
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Wed May 09, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Chris133 (Reply 12):
Someone beat me to the PHL-OAK route. But as for longest leg ever flown, I believe it was the SEA-FLL nonstop flown by flt 164 (this was due to MCI being closed for weather) sometime in Feb or Mar of this year.

I vaguely recall that there was a really long flight that overflew someplace, and I think it might have been SEA-MCO with MCI being closed, since 164 runs SEA-BNA. In any event, I assumed that the OP was asking about regularly scheduled flights...
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 1:54 am

How come they haven't tried LAX-HNL service.
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting RB211 (Reply 14):
How come they haven't tried LAX-HNL service.

I'm sure the 737-700 can fly this route (Aloha does SNA-HNL) but Hawaii tends to be a more expensive market so I assume WN uses ATA for economic reasons - not lack of aircraft capability.

Same goes for OAK-HNL.

I'm sure someone can give us more insight.
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting RB211 (Reply 14):
How come they haven't tried LAX-HNL service.

The -700 can do the job (although we'd have to equip them and get approval for ETOPS), but apparently there are better market opportunities within the mainland...
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
I've yet to see a -700 fuelstop...

I have, Flight 900 running BUF-MCO on a 73G had to fuelstop quite a few times last year in PIT, although I'm pretty sure that that was caused by the runway construction going on here in BUF last year...
 
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Skoker (Reply 17):
I have, Flight 900 running BUF-MCO on a 73G had to fuelstop quite a few times last year in PIT, although I'm pretty sure that that was caused by the runway construction going on here in BUF last year...

True, and it was due to BUF's runway situation. That said, absent some abormal or BUF-like situation, I've still yet to see a -700 do a fuelstop...  Wink
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 2):
According to Wikipedia.

Not credible

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
I don't really keep up with WN, but did they not just order a PIP for their engines...

That was a while ago.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7):
Why exactly hasn't WN opened a hawaii route



Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 15):
but Hawaii tends to be a more expensive market so I assume WN uses ATA for economic reasons - not lack of aircraft capability.



Quoting RB211 (Reply 14):
How come they haven't tried LAX-HNL service.

It has nothing to do with the expense of the market. It has to do with the fact that WN would have to increase their own internal cost base by getting their entire fleet ETOPS certified or creating an ETOPS subfleet.
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RE: WN And Their 737-700's

Thu May 10, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
I don't really keep up with WN, but did they not just order a PIP for their engines... or was that for their Classic models?



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
That was a couple of years ago. The -700s came with 22,000 lb engines, and the upgrade was to 24,000 lbs...



Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
That was a while ago.

Maybe this is what you were referring to, WN just this week ordered PIP kits their CFM56-3 engines on the Classics:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/070507/1458876.html?.v=1

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