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734 In A Tent At PDX

Thu May 10, 2007 5:00 pm

I saw a photo taken a couple days ago of an AS 734 out-of-service at PDX with a white tent-like structure over the front of the fuselage. Apparently there was an incident on 4/28 in which a 734 was hit (by a ground power unit??) while at the gate at PDX, and was wondering if it's the same plane, and if so, was the airplane was seriously damaged?
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 3:56 am

Must be this one. From FAA daily incident reports website:

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 756AS Make/Model: B737 Description: 737
Date: 04/27/2007 Time: 0810

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: PORTLAND State: OR Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ALASKA AIRLINES ASA408, N756AS, A BOEING 737 AIRCRAFT, WHILE BOARDING PASSENGERS, A POWER UNIT STRUCK THE AIRCRAFT, NO INJURIES REPORTED, DAMAGE IS UNKNOWN, PORTLAND, OR
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 4:29 am

Thanks for finding that. Well, it doesn't sound like a very serious incident, so I'm surprised that the aircraft appears to still be out-of-service (at least there are no ACARS records of it since 4/28). I saw it sitting there when I was at pdx 10 days ago.
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting EIPremier (Reply 2):
Well, it doesn't sound like a very serious incident,

..serious enough to probably punch some kind of hole in the fuselage. The fact that it's being repaired under the tent at PDX suggests that the aircraft couldn't be MX ferried..

Sometimes, ya gotta fix'em where ever they happen to be...

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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
.seriousnenough to probably punch some kind of hole in the fuselage. The factnthat it's being repaired under the tent at PDX suggests that the aircraft couldn't be MX ferried..

Sometimes, ya gotta fix'em where ever they happen to be...

At least it's at a station that's less than a 3 hour drive from Boeing's manufacturing ops, and also happens to be QX's maintenance base...  Wink
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 6:04 am

I was wondering why an alaska 737 was tucked away over by the Horizon matainance area...
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 8:24 am

It looks to be a nice sized hole. From the photos it appears to be just below the R1 door.

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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 9:19 am

Attack of the killer Menzies!!!
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 9:37 am

Looks like it'll be coming out of someone's check under "Other Deductions" for the next couple of decades...  Wink
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Looks like it'll be coming out of someone's check under "Other Deductions" for the next couple of decades... Wink

Ouch! Is this how airlines typically handle ramp rash?  scared 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 10:33 am

They talked about the possibility of nosing it into the QX hanger, but it would have effectively blocked the hanger to all QX aircraft, so the next best option is to put up a tent around it. I have seen Boeing do this before when doing AOG repairs. I believe a Boeing AOG team is doing the work. I was told it looks like it will be there for several weeks.

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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
Ouch! Is this how airlines typically handle ramp rash?

No, that was an attempt at humor... Insurance covers damage like that, but I think the deductibles involved are alot higher than $500...  Wink
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 11:22 pm

Boeing fixed a JAL 747 (IIRC) in a similar fashion up in Anchorage a while back ... and it was in much much much worse shape than this
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 11:51 pm

Here is another image. I was flying out of PDX on QX 2309 (PDX-RDD-ACV) on 7 May 2007.

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Picture of 754AS (737-400) being repaired in PDX. Note tent.
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Fri May 11, 2007 11:59 pm

It was an air-start unit and the repairs are out of AS hands now. Boeing has been on-site for a few days to work on the A/C. Same thing happened when CO put a basketball size hole in a 2 week old -900 here at SFO a while back. Alaska can and will fix something only so big, then the big guns are called in like in this case.

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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Sat May 12, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
Boeing fixed a JAL 747 (IIRC) in a similar fashion up in Anchorage a while back ... and it was in much much much worse shape than this

Yes, the JL 747-200 incident at ANC was over 30 years ago, December 16, 1975. Slid off a snow-covered taxiway and went backwards down a 50-foot high embankment. I think the insurance company came close to writing it off. Repairs cost about $20 million, which in 1975 was over half the price of a new 747. The aircraft was only 18 months old.

I think it was one of the largest on-site Boeing repair jobs ever, and was complicated by having to do it in the open air. As I recall it required replacement of a couple of fuselage sections, engines, landing gear, among other things. The aircraft was returned to service 9 months later in September 1976.

It was this aircraft (photo taken a year after it returned to service):


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Incident summary and the NTSB accident report:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19751216-0
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR76-12.pdf

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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Sun May 13, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
Ouch! Is this how airlines typically handle ramp rash?

Seems it took a hit some time before in just below the new damage, that repair will be removed and included in the repair of the new damage. I am sure Boeing has a good skin-stringer-frame repair in the 737 Structural Repair Manual that can be used to accomplish the repair.

A typical Boeing lap joint repair in the can be seen in the first picture in Reply 6.
 
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RE: 734 In A Tent At PDX

Sun May 13, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 7):
Attack of the killer Menzies!!!

Haha!!


At least the crew and ground staff knew (although it was worse) about this incident before taking off... unlike the MD-80 flying from SEA-BUR. You know... the one where the Menzies ramp agent hit the plane and didn't report it. Way to look out for the best interest of the passengers!

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