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DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 11:38 am

Should be interesting at LHR next march 30th. I found this article at ATW I find some interesting things in it. Sorry if this has been discussed before. It also has interesting info on DL's future fleet plans:

CEO Gerald Grinstein told ATWOnline in Atlanta Monday (4/30) that while he believes "there is no magic mark" or percentage of DL's business that will come from long-haul operations, "a 50/50 share would be no surprise." Starting with ATL-Prague flights today, the airline plans to launch service to 13 new international destinations in the next two months alone.

More may come if DL is able to take advantage of the new EU-US open skies agreement and acquire slots at London Heathrow for service from ATL, New York JFK and one additional US market (ATWOnline, April 6). Grinstein said he already is negotiating with SkyTeam alliance partners about a swap for 3-6 slot pairs. "These discussions are ongoing, and we are confident we'll be able to move this through," he said. DL currently flies to Gatwick and would continue to do so if it gains access to LHR.


Ok, this interview took place on 4/30. This comment flies in the face of the London Times article that stated DL already aquired slots from AF/KL. I imagine they will get some slot pairs from AF/KL but it seems they dont have them just yet. I wonder though, lets say DL gets all 6 slot pairs. Thats six flights a day to LHR. I imagine 2 from ATL and 2 from JFK. Now the last 2 are where IMO it gets interesting. Maybe SLC, LAX or CVG? I would assume probably 2 of the aforementioned ones with a once daily service. They say they will keep the LGW service but I would imagine that frequiences would be reduced. For one, they need to move 763's around to get aircraft for the LHR service (though I would not be surprised to see exclusive 764 Biz Elite service to LHR due to premium demand). I cannot fathom DL operating two LHR's and two LGW's each from ATL and JFK. I know they can dump good domestic feeds into ATL and the large O&D market in NY but that has got to be overkill. I would think the second daily out of JFK to LGW would be dropped and just one daily out of ATL to LGW and I would think that would be it for DL service to LGW. 2 total flights, one from JFK and one from ATL.




COO Jim Whitehurst said up to 35 additional widebody aircraft may be transferred from domestic to international routes. "This summer we will add eight 767-400s to the intercontinental fleet, plus 13 ETOPS 757-200ERs," he said. The 757s will be based at JFK for new service to secondary cities throughout Europe. "Each new Western European destination should become profitable after three or four months," he added.

I know there was a.net speculation about the 752ER's going to Hawaii from the west coast but I guess that is not happening. If I had to guess, I forsee these new secondary cities being places like Glasgow (although their EDI service may preclude this), Lisbon, Oslo, Helsinki and maybe a secondary London airport such as Stansted. The 752ER's I don't think have the legs to go to far into Western Europe.





This year Delta will operate 102 widebodies on international routes, and it can continue to grow its international fleet until 2011 without acquiring new equipment by transferring aircraft from domestic services. It is scheduled to take delivery of two 777-200LRs early next year and four more later in 2008 or in early 2009. "We want to do more in Asia, and the Middle East and Africa are totally underserved from the US," Whitehurst said, noting that 2011 will be the right time for a fleet renewal. By year end or early 2008, DL expects to pick either the 787 or A350 to replace its 767-300s.

Well, I guess the ufo's at the Boeing website are not DL's. If they wait until years end or early 2008, one can only imagine the first slot availability for them in regards to the 787? I know Boeing is already backlogged a few years right? Nevermind any other orders between now and when DL does place one. I will not even mention the A350 because I cannot really see them going Airbus. As much time as DL is putting on the 763ER's with all the intl flying, I imagine by 2011, there will be some seriously tired aircraft. Oh, I guess the 752 will be the work horse for DL's transcon routes for at least the next 4.5 years or so!

[Edited 2007-05-12 04:46:25]
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 12:20 pm

there's not a whole lot of new info here....

the 757s are being acquired primarily for int'l purposes... it is very likely that any airplane can make more money flying to Europe than to Hawaii; while DL needs to have a reasonable presence in Hawaii, it doesn't require 757ERs (although there is no such designation) to do it. Lower weight 757s can easily fly LAX to Hawaii.

also, airplanes are built to fly; repeated takeoffs and landings are what wears planes out, not flying at cruising altitude. 767s flying int'l routes can fly many years. the real factor in determining when it is time to move the 767 out of int'l service will be when the plane is considered too aged to be a viable aircraft. despite what a lot of people think, the 787s being ordered today are not going to be used for fleet replacement but predominantly for fleet expansion. as such, it is unlikely the 767 will be made obsolete by new aircraft until 2015 or later.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
the airline plans to launch service to 13 new international destinations in the next two months alone.

That's news to me. My guesses (Canada and Mexico don't count):
CAI
Northeastern Brazilian Market
PVG
HKG
SIN
SYD
LIS
ARN
LYS
GVA
BHX
LED
WAW

[Edited 2007-05-12 05:44:55]
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
the 757s are being acquired primarily for int'l purposes... it is very likely that any airplane can make more money flying to Europe than to Hawaii; while DL needs to have a reasonable presence in Hawaii, it doesn't require 757ERs (although there is no such designation) to do it. Lower weight 757s can easily fly LAX to Hawaii.

Actually a DL ETOPs 752 can do LAX to Hawaii fully loaded, especially KOA. that said, I think you'll see DL discontinue all but one SLC-Hawaii operations after Christmas, and all will be moved to California with perhaps one non-ER 763 doing SLC-HNL 5-6x per week.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Now the last 2 are where IMO it gets interesting. Maybe SLC, LAX or CVG?

LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS. Unless they can force UA out, which I don't think will hapen, it would be ill advised to enter that market. SLC would have to rely on a lot of feeder traffic, but CVG is a strong possibility.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 1:03 pm

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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS. Unless they can force UA out, which I don't think will hapen, it would be ill advised to enter that market. SLC would have to rely on a lot of feeder traffic, but CVG is a strong possibility.

True but we all know they will do two flights a day to LHR from JFK and look how much seats are available on that route. LAX has a large O&D market and a DL LAX-LHR daily would be the only Skyteam nonstop to LHR from LAX. There is a lot of people with lots of miles on the FF cards that would love that.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 1:32 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 6):
There is a lot of people with lots of miles on the FF cards that would love that.

No doubt a true fact but redeemed frequent flier miles do not pay the bills. I live on the west coast and I much prefer the long haul LHR to LAX over a mid-country stop. So I'm sure there are many of us that would enjoy extra frequency, some copetition and some moderation in the fare.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 1:32 pm

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS.

Your forgetting NZ.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
PVG

I dont think they can without governmet approval.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
LIS
ARN
LYS
GVA
BHX
LED
WAW

Perhaps from JFK all of these seem plausable.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
HKG
SIN
SYD

SYD would be from LAX. Maybe SIN can be a tag on to HKG. Both could work from ATL or LAX but they need the LR's to go from ATL. If UA wasnt starting LAX-HKG, I would say that LAX would be a slam dunk, not im not sure.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Northeastern Brazilian Market

A very good choice from ATL.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
CAI

Could work from ATL and JFK, not sure which they would go for.
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Sat May 12, 2007 1:34 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
By year end or early 2008, DL expects to pick either the 787 or A350 to replace its 767-300s.

That'll be one big ass order. My hunch is 100 copies.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):

LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS. Unless they can force UA out, which I don't think will hapen,

Why not? It seems the markets DL wants to serve are the very same markets that UAL serves right now. And we all know what happened to PanAm.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 2:23 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 6):
True but we all know they will do two flights a day to LHR from JFK and look how much seats are available on that route.

But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA. That said, I still think LAX-LHR will happen, based on the lack of SkyTeam on that route at the moment.

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Sat May 12, 2007 2:24 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Maybe SLC, LAX or CVG

Although DL has stated that they want to add flights out of LAX, competition on the LAX-LHR route is ruthless. Given the high cost of LHR slots as well, I doubt that we'll see SLC-LHR service. CVG is possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it to LGW.

As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 10):
Why not? It seems the markets DL wants to serve are the very same markets that UAL serves right now. And we all know what happened to PanAm.



Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA. That said, I still think LAX-LHR will happen, based on the lack of SkyTeam on that route at the moment.



Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
Although DL has stated that they want to add flights out of LAX, competition on the LAX-LHR route is ruthless. Given the high cost of LHR slots as well, I doubt that we'll see SLC-LHR service. CVG is possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it to LGW.

As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW

I think we all could agree that DL, already stating they want to build up LAX could easily (as the only Skyteam member doing it as well) fill up a daily 763 to LHR out of LAX. I do agree with Cba about the SLC doubt...especially if they go ahead with a daily to LHR from LAX. Heck they would probably feed SLC traffic into LAX for that flight! I think if they did manage to get 6 slots at LHR, it would be x2 from JFK, x2 from ATL, x1 from LAX and x1 from CVG with the ones out of JFK and ATL being on 764's and LAX/CVG with the 763. Or do something different and keep CVG only to LGW and put that 6th flight out of JFK or ATL as a early morning daylight flight similar to what I think BA is doing out of JFK or is it VS and a the return an overnighter heading westbound.

[Edited 2007-05-12 08:07:13]
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):

But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA

It's not like folks in LA don't know who DL are, so quite rightly they see an opportunity to build their base there. We could see the revival of the LAX-HKG non-stop to compete with CX. SYD?? Do DL the rights to fly to Australia??
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW.

BAsvce is fm LGW as well. MCO isn-t A BIG Premium mkt ,its mostly Brits taking family on holiday.Wud be surprised if DL used scarce LHR slots for MCO.

If they get 6 pairs of slots , think they wud need more than 2/day on JFK if they want a real presence....don-t forget BA HAVE UP TO 10/DAY JFK/EWR....AA have 6 and VS have 6/7 JFK/EWR.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 14):
SYD?? Do DL the rights to fly to Australia??

Not currently, but getting them should not be a big issue.

Might be an issue over frequency but as long as the USA is reasonable over the current DJ & JQ applications, I don't think DL will have much of a problem.

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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 10):
Why not? It seems the markets DL wants to serve are the very same markets that UAL serves right now. And we all know what happened to PanAm.

Thats quite funny that comment.....your joking right?....PA, had effectively no feed for their International flights, which pretty much bought about there downfall. LAX is a hub for UA, they are a major player there, your kidding yourself if you think UA is going to rollover and just let DL take market share from them on any international route, not just LHR. Look to the reinstatement of LAX-HKG for that proof!
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 6:32 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):

Thats quite funny that comment.....your joking right?....PA, had effectively no feed for their International flights, which pretty much bought about there downfall. LAX is a hub for UA, they are a major player there, your kidding yourself if you think UA is going to rollover and just let DL take market share from them on any international route, not just LHR. Look to the reinstatement of LAX-HKG for that proof.

Are UAL making money? Are employees happy? Recently their pilots stated they had "no confidence" in UAL's senior management. And they want a pay rise to boot. So by DL increasing their presence in LAX and contemplating entering the LAX-LHR market, UAL, even with their feed, is the weak one, IMO. Who else would they be targeting??
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
I know they can dump good domestic feeds into ATL and the large O&D market in NY but that has got to be overkill.

Why? Isn't the LHR-NYC market the most popular trans-oceanic route in the world? I've done LHR-ORD, LHR-IAD and LHR-JFK, and the only route where I saw plenty of open seats were to IAD. The frequency (IMO) could be a little higher.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA.

Which greatly strengthens its position to take a share of the NYC-LHR market.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
your kidding yourself if you think UA is going to rollover and just let DL take market share from them on any international route

If UA had a greater share of the NYC market, DL might have reason to be a bit pensive about this. I think it's a great idea for DL. Their strength along the East Coast (BOS, JFK, ATL, MCO) makes for excellent opportunities in providing service. And that doesn't mean they'd have to serve LHR-MCO daily, for example - they could do a couple of NYC flights per day, 1 ATL and 1 BOS, then maybe 1 or 2 days per week, they could instead service MCO in place of BOS or 1 of the NYC flights. This seems to be a great opportunity for DL.

Besides, I love flying into LHR, and would love to have opportunity to do so other than using UA out of ORD or IAD.

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Sat May 12, 2007 6:50 pm

I would think that if they had 6 slots they would go for 3 x JFK, 2 x ATL and 1 X LAX.

I don't see them using one to CVG because thos passengers could easily connect via JFK or ATL, and there are very few markets that don't have ATL service. The absence of a SkyTeam carrier on LAX-LHR gives DL just the opening they might need to make the route work on a 763.

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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 7:43 pm

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 20):
I would think that if they had 6 slots they would go for 3 x JFK, 2 x ATL and 1 X LAX.

I would tend to agree that if DL got sufficient slots, they would no doubt make all JFK-LON flights LHR-bound. ATL can support a mix of both LHR and LGW. About the 6th slot, it's either LAX or BOS for it. CVG sees no competition, so DL can just as well keep the flight at CVG. For SLC, same as CVG, if the route happens, it'll be to LGW.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Northeastern Brazilian Market

A very good choice from ATL.

That is dependant on whether ANAC will grant US carriers new year-round traffic rights into Brazil. That said, if that happens, no doubt DL will add a third market in Brazil

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
CAI

Could work from ATL and JFK, not sure which they would go for.

Definitely JFK, as ATL-CAI would require a 777. Sure DL is starting to push its 763s to the limit, but that will already be done with ATL-LOS, and that route is good 500mi shorter than ATL-LOS.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Route

Sat May 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Northeastern Brazilian Market

You won't see them in Northeast Brazil in the short-term. A recent statment in the Brazilian press confirmed that. Delta has studied going to Northeast Brazil, but it isn't in the near-term plans. There really isn't a market right now, not until Brazil becomes more popular with Americans, in which case Atlanta-Salvador can become a great market.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 21):

That is dependant on whether ANAC will grant US carriers new year-round traffic rights into Brazil. That said, if that happens, no doubt DL will add a third market in Brazil

That is only half the story. For Delta, it depends on Brazil becoming a popular vacation destination for Americans, which means implementing a tourist visa program over what they have now. I doubt you will see Delta in Northeast Brazil anytime soon. Even ANAC has said it. Currently, ANAC has been welcoming proposals for new service (non-GIG/GRU) to the US for the past three months, and the only airline that has applied has been AA, who has asked for four year-round weekly frequencies to Recife and four to Salvador.

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Sat May 12, 2007 7:45 pm

Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW.

Never gonna happen. One reason BA keeps MCO is because so many Executive Club members use miles on this route. Its the equivalent of a HNL route for a US legacy!
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 7:47 pm

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 20):
I would think that if they had 6 slots they would go for 3 x JFK, 2 x ATL and 1 X LAX.

As I understand the LHR slots, if DL got 6 slots it would allow them to serve 3 round trips, not 6. Each arrival and departure requires a slot.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 19):
If UA had a greater share of the NYC market, DL might have reason to be a bit pensive about this. I think it's a great idea for DL. Their strength along the East Coast (BOS, JFK, ATL, MCO) makes for excellent opportunities in providing service. And that doesn't mean they'd have to serve LHR-MCO daily, for example - they could do a couple of NYC flights per day, 1 ATL and 1 BOS, then maybe 1 or 2 days per week, they could instead service MCO in place of BOS or 1 of the NYC flights. This seems to be a great opportunity for DL.

I was of course referring specifically to the LAX-LHR route.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
London Heathrow for service from ATL, New York JFK and one additional US market

I would still love for the third one to go to SLC. However, in reality, I bet they would do ATL, JFK, and maybe LAX.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 18):
re UAL making money? Are employees happy? Recently their pilots stated they had "no confidence" in UAL's senior management

Be very careful with these questions talking about DL. They are looking good right now, 2 weeks out of bankruptcy. Employees are hoping to get back where they were or at least close, but it doesn't take much to make a whole group unhappy very quickly. Senior management in about to change over at DL too.

Back to the subject at hand. I wonder about the constant talks of SYD for DL. Hasn't this been going on for years? AA, NW, DL to SYD, yet none of them really make a move. Though Australia is a huge hole for SkyTeam, I don't think DL can fill it. Just my opinion, hope they prove me wrong!

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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sat May 12, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 24):
As I understand the LHR slots, if DL got 6 slots it would allow them to serve 3 round trips, not 6. Each arrival and departure requires a slot.



Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Grinstein said he already is negotiating with SkyTeam alliance partners about a swap for 3-6 slot pairs.

A slot "pair " is an arrival and departure.

Problem is most Syteam slot pairs at LHR are for short-haul turnarounds which are abt 45-60mins arr to dep.
Longhaul need 90-180 mins , so the slot pairs don-t necessarily work .
Alot of other swapping maybe reqrd to get workable slot pairs and at worst may mean waste of slots
e.g using arr from one slot pair and dep from another and not using the other "halfs".
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 11:13 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Your forgetting NZ.

A pal of mine who works for DL says the internal company rumor mill does not put AKL very high on the list, that SYD would be the only South Pacific destination for awhile. Personally, I'd love to see a 789 LAX-AKL on DL. I've been wanting to go there for years and I can't think of a better place to spend those Skymiles.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 11:37 pm

How large is DL's operation at LAX right now?
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 5):
Looking forward to Delta add some more Caribbean routes  cool   twocents 

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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 9):
That'll be one big ass order. My hunch is 100 copies.



Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 9):
Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
By year end or early 2008, DL expects to pick either the 787 or A350 to replace its 767-300s.

That'll be one big ass order. My hunch is 100 copies.

I do not think that Boeing would lose this order unless a complete reversal of policy is initiated at Delta. There may be a 10% chance of Airbus getting some business but I doubt it.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 12:22 am

COO Jim Whitehurst said up to 35 additional widebody aircraft may be transferred from domestic to international routes. "This summer we will add eight 767-400s to the intercontinental fleet, plus 13 ETOPS 757-200ERs," he said. The 757s will be based at JFK for new service to secondary cities throughout Europe. "Each new Western European destination should become profitable after three or four months," he added.

Will these 757's have B/E, I know one is planned for JFK SNN
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Route

Sun May 13, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 27):

Be very careful with these questions talking about DL. They are looking good right now, 2 weeks out of bankruptcy. Employees are hoping to get back where they were or at least close, but it doesn't take much to make a whole group unhappy very quickly. Senior management in about to change over at DL too.

 checkmark ....I find it funny that a multi-billion dollar company, which has just come out of BK (and basically has no assets because it had to mortgage most of it before BK), will all of the sudden within a couple of years time just take over some of the most well established routes and hubs in the world all the while the entrenched "players" will sit around idly and "play dead"..as if the BA's, QF's, UA's, VS and AAs of the world are just a bunch of retards relying on luck and bureaucracy to get things done....none of the aforementioned carriers are going to roll over and play dead.....

...while I'm extremely delighted to see DL is out of BK and while I'm fairly confident DL will thrive, I think all this "oooohs" and "aaahhhhs" and of the kool-aid cheerleading is a bit "OTT"......

I'll say "good job DL" only after 1-3 years when DL no longer has been out of BK protection and has felt the full force of competition (not to mention a downturn in the aviation world-which will happen as even WN is saying they are seeing some "softening").......
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 29):
A pal of mine who works for DL says the internal company rumor mill does not put AKL very high on the list, that SYD would be the only South Pacific destination for awhile. Personally, I'd love to see a 789 LAX-AKL on DL. I've been wanting to go there for years and I can't think of a better place to spend those Skymiles.

I was refering to the airlines that serve LAX-LHR. NZ always gets left out. They fly AKL-LAX-LHR. However I agree with your point. SYD will be the only one that they would go for Down Under. It would be flown from LAX.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:12 am

I woudn't say that Delta's chances of ordering the A350 is necessarily 0%, but is still less than 5%. Delta has a "Favored Nation" status with Boeing, and it would be a big blow to Boeing for Delta to order Airbus. Delta has also applied for Boeing's 787 GoldCare contract, providing maintenance for 787s. Expect Delta's 787s to feature AVOD PTVs in every seat (probably the Panasonic eX2 system like on the 777-200LRs) and the new lie-flat BusinessElite seats made by Contour Premium.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 24):
As I understand the LHR slots, if DL got 6 slots it would allow them to serve 3 round trips, not 6. Each arrival and departure requires a slot

Total of 12 slots...6 slot pairs is what they really want.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Delta has also applied for Boeing's 787 GoldCare contract, providing maintenance for 787s. Expect Delta's 787s to feature AVOD PTVs in every seat (probably the Panasonic eX2 system like on the 777-200LRs) and the new lie-flat BusinessElite seats made by Contour Premium.

If Boeing has not announced it yet, what do you all bet if DL comes in with a order for 100, Boeing would open that second production line just so DL can get orders earlier than if one production line is open.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:30 am

Does anyone think that FLL-LHR or LGW might be possible for DL? Or perhaps FLL-CDG with a 763? I have always thought that perhaps the next wave of expansion for DL at FLL would be internationally, with at least one European destination. Either that - or maybe we'll see them add the Caribbean once they see if FLL-SDQ makes it or not. I wouldn't be surprised to see FLL-SJU, FLL-CUN or FLL-GUC
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Could work from ATL and JFK, not sure which they would go for.

It would be JFK-CAI. The 763 couldn't make ATL-CAI.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Perhaps from JFK all of these seem plausable.

Yeah, except I think WAW could go from ATL.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 27):
it doesn't take much to make a whole group unhappy very quickly. Senior management in about to change over at DL too.

No, the employees are excited about the new CEO. Many believe it is going to be Jim Whitehurst. You have no idea how the employees love that guy. They like him just as much as Grinstein. I think Delta will continue to have the amazing management similar to now.

Quoting GWYIRE (Reply 33):

Will these 757's have B/E, I know one is planned for JFK SNN

Yes.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I'll say "good job DL" only after 1-3 years when DL no longer has been out of BK protection and has felt the full force of competition

Yes, we know, there are always the naysayers...
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 21):

Definitely JFK, as ATL-CAI would require a 777. Sure DL is starting to push its 763s to the limit, but that will already be done with ATL-LOS, and that route is good 500mi shorter than ATL-LOS.

I don't know if CAI-ATL would be feasible on a 763 due to the hot and dry conditions.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 23):

Never gonna happen. One reason BA keeps MCO is because so many Executive Club members use miles on this route. Its the equivalent of a HNL route for a US legacy!

Good point. Probably wouldn't be a very high yielding route; I was speculating that they might want to give it a shot seeing that rumors have it that MCO may be a new intl. focus city for DL, but you are right in that it'd probably be a waste of a LHR slot, especially if all the competition flies to LGW.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting B777ER (Reply 37):
If Boeing has not announced it yet, what do you all bet if DL comes in with a order for 100, Boeing would open that second production line just so DL can get orders earlier than if one production line is open.

while I'm fairly certain Boeing has extra slack built currently into their production lines, the majour issue would be that of suppliers...i.e.-would they be able to ramp up to meet demand...

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 39):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I'll say "good job DL" only after 1-3 years when DL no longer has been out of BK protection and has felt the full force of competition

Yes, we know, there are always the naysayers...

..its about being practical and prudent and not just drinking kool-aid...
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 41):
..its about being practical and prudent and not just drinking kool-aid...

Don't worry, we know your airline's United. I'd probably do the same thing to United.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 42):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 41):
..its about being practical and prudent and not just drinking kool-aid...

Don't worry, we know your airline's United. I'd probably do the same thing to United.

...actually I fly only on AA... Wink

..but if it would have been AA instead of DL, I would be still saying the same thing.... Smile

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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
...actually I fly only on AA...

..but if it would have been AA instead of DL, I would be still saying the same thing....

Oh ok, I guess it's because you take so many pics of UA at SFO.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:54 am

If DL starts JFK-LHR, would we see the JFK-LGW flights downgraded to 757's? The free 763's could then be used to free up some 764's, which would be used on JFK-LHR.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 45):
If DL starts JFK-LHR, would we see the JFK-LGW flights downgraded to 757's?

I don't think you will see JFK-LGW period.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
Although DL has stated that they want to add flights out of LAX, competition on the LAX-LHR route is ruthless. Given the high cost of LHR slots as well, I doubt that we'll see SLC-LHR service. CVG is possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it to LGW.

UA just reduced its 2x daily to 1x daily.

BA flies as does VS and NZ.


Personally I think this is all DL talk. DL may do ok on the LHR-JFK, but anything else isnt going to work there's simply not that much demand.
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 40):
rumors have it that MCO may be a new intl. focus city for DL,

I imagine that would be for South America and the Caribbean only.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 46):
I don't think you will see JFK-LGW period.

Agreed..why shoot themselves in the foot when trying to fill the JFK-LHR aircraft.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 47):
Personally I think this is all DL talk. DL may do ok on the LHR-JFK, but anything else isnt going to work there's simply not that much demand.

Says who? You really think the only Skyteam member airline flying a lowly 763 from LAX to LHR could not make it work?? I would like to take that bet.
 
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RE: DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes

Sun May 13, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 5):
Looking forward to Delta add some more Caribbean routes

you have probably seen most if not all of the Caribbean/leisure Mexico routes you will see from DL. They have thrown alot of new markets in and many have worked; the real money in Latin America is not to leisure destinations but to the ethnic and business destinations. DL added the leisure routes first because they spool up very quickly but that doesn't mean you keep adding those kinds of routes.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I'll say "good job DL" only after 1-3 years when DL no longer has been out of BK protection and has felt the full force of competition (not to mention a downturn in the aviation world-which will happen as even WN is saying they are seeing some "softening").......



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 39):
Yes, we know, there are always the naysayers...

a fair amount of skepticism is allowable but let's also remember that DL was the airline with the highest predicted mortality rate just 18 months ago; the fact that DL has gotten as far as it has should prove that an aweful lot of people have underestimated what DL could do.

And let me remind you that DL's ability to succeed is rooted in finances, not just a great can do attitude. DL has the best balance sheet of the network carriers and the lowest costs. those are two powerful assets that can carry a company through an aweful lot of difficult times. further,DL's revenue comparisons vs. the industry have quickly moved to industry parity from as much as a 15% deficit in the space of about 2 years. 15% of DL's revenue is worth a couple BILLION dollars.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 47):
DL may do ok on the LHR-JFK, but anything else isnt going to work there's simply not that much demand.

you are joking, aren't you? LHR and the UK are the biggest airports and country markets from the US. DL's ability to grow at LHR is limited solely by its ability to get slots. but DL knows what LHR access is worth and is willing to pay to round out its portfolio. and if DL doesn't get what it needs it can just buy the assets from UA; DL has successfully taken a Brazil daily frequency from UA and also bought the NYC route authority from them. Tilton has already said that Open Skies might be the price UA has to pay in order to be acquired by a foreign airline. When you run your company with the expectation and intention of selling out, it's not hard for the competition to make serious inroads.

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