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Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 7:57 pm

On May 7, I flew on KLM1666 from BCN-AMS. After landing in AMS as we taxied to the gate about 50 passengers stood up in the aisle to retrieve their bags from the overhead or just to get positioned to leave. The flight attendants did not make any announcement for the passengers to return to their seats, and the passengers continued to stand until we reached the gate. Was this typical?
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 8:32 pm

Not typical, and totally against safety regulations. Any time I have seen this happen, there has always been a stern announcement from the crew. On the other hand, passengers seem to have absolutely no respect for any kind of authority or announcement any more, so perhaps the flight attendants just get tired of policing all the time. I was leaving AMS for ORK in Ireland last September, a full A320 on EI, and there was only a general boarding announcement, no boarding by row numbers. Few would listen anyway. That also could have been due to the fact everyone went through security yet again at the gate during boarding, and the process was so slow anyhow. The agents actually looked worn out, probably after a hideous summer at SPL, and I really don't think they cared about whether the boarding was orderly or not, or indeed even if the flight left on time.
Seems to be getting the same here in Canada. Although AC boards by row number, few ever pay attention, and the agents often just let people go regardless of what row they are in. Then after the flight leaves, kids run up and down the aisles unsupervised by the parents. It just seems to be the trend in modern society, everything has become a free-for-all with absolutely no respect for any regulation or authority. Society as we used to know it is rapidly disappearing : the aggregate of people existing together in a more or less ordered community is going totally by the wayside, and largely contributes to the mess we have with the volumes of people traveling. I suspect people standing in the aisles after landing is just an example of this trend, and complacency by the crew with authority and safety. I don't say it is right, and I am sure that if the aircraft stopped suddenly and people were injured the airline would be in a lot of trouble for not complying with regulations.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 9:26 pm

The solution to this problem is for the cabin crew to be issued paint-ball guns. Anyone in the aisle before the seat-belt sign goes off has invited a paint ball.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 9:35 pm

Like the paintball idea...grin

See this is what happens when the name of your aircraft ends in 'bus'. You can stand on a bus while it is driving around town so why can't you stand when an aircraft is taxiing? Heck...no red lights for an aircraft!!!

just kidding...somewhat.

In the states I have seen folks stand...and the aircraft promptly came to a halt until they sat down. End of story.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 9:37 pm

The comedian Gallagher had a funny skit about the lack of manners in driving. His solution was to issue everyone little rubber dart guns. Then, when the police see someone driving around with several rubber darts attached to their car, they would pull them over the give them a ticket for being an as***le.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3):
See this is what happens when the name of your aircraft ends in 'bus'

The aircraft was a B-737-800!!!
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 10:10 pm

I had the same thing happen on a KU flight from LHR - KWI on an A-343. As soon as we hit the runway, the aisles filled with people. I was really surprised. The flight attendants did an excellent job of getting everyone seated again. The plane was full and I venture to say it was half the customers that stood up.

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 10:41 pm

Just jump on the intercom and tell the captain to hit the brakes really hard!
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 10:41 pm

This happens all the time when I fly with any carrier in the middle east. The crew can do nothing about it because as soon as one person does it every other moron does it. People in the middle east do not respect rules and are usually just out for themselves.

I used to work for an airline in the UK and if ANYONE dared get up before the seatbelt sign went out they got a serious ear-bashing from the crew in front of everyone else.

The same comparison can be made with regard to the use of mobile phones. Whenever I fly EY or EK, people are using their phones when the aircraft is on finals - you can hear phones all around you. By this time the crew are seated and often can't do anything about it. It is not taken seriously in this region. In the UK, we used to have the police meet ANYONE who turned a phone on in flight.

You're dealing with different mentalities in different parts of the world unfortunately.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sat May 12, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 7):
Just jump on the intercom and tell the captain to hit the brakes really hard!

This is more practical than the paintball gun idea.  Smile
 
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Sun May 13, 2007 12:37 am

It will take one bad accident and some media attention for the rules the rules will be strictly enforced again....until then, I see this pattern of behaviour only getting worse...
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 12:43 am

Worst case I have experienced was on board a Air China flight - passengers were all over the place while we were lining up and as soon as we touched down they were up as quick as a flash.
Seemed to be the norm as nothing was said.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3):
See this is what happens when the name of your aircraft ends in 'bus'. You can stand on a bus while it is driving around town so why can't you stand when an aircraft is taxiing? Heck...no red lights for an aircraft!!!

The only accident I've ever been in was on push back. The aircraft violently hit a neighboring plane. Our winglet was imbedded in their wing. The other aircraft was through ours was reparable. As the FA I was the only one standing and the only one injured( not badly thank goodness I was able to brace with the galley walls). Had any of the passengers been standing injuries could have been pretty bad and that wasn't even at full taxi speed. After that I'm pretty vigilant about the seatbelt sign. I will call the flight deck if I have to and have them stop the plane (gee I feel like mommy) until everyone is seated.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 2:52 am

Don't pax realise that All would need to get off only after the Aircraft halts  Smile
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 3:18 am

I fly intra Europe flights all the time and anything to or from Italy, yes it is normal. The others sometimes. A lot more so than in North America.

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 3:23 am

Last summer I flew SFO-AMS on a KLM MD-11, and people were still standing in the aisle when we started pushback. I've never seen this happen on any other airline. I guess they were determined to have an on-time departure no matter what.

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 3:25 am

On a VS 747 landing at EWR the Purser gave an announcement saying to stay seated until the aircraft had stopped. As soon as he said this half the pax stood up in the aisles prompting a second announcement on the lines of 'ah I see we have a lot of deaf people on this flight as none of you listened to my announcements!'
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 12):
I will call the flight deck if I have to and have them stop the plane (gee I feel like mommy) until everyone is seated.

People who walk around while taxiing are just looking for trouble. These are the type of people who deserve to take the next flight. While I can understand diarrhea emergencies, there are very few excuses to break this FAR.

Being mommy is very true. An FA I know was told by a customer he didn't need a mother and she told him to stop acting like a child. Though I am sure it could have been handled in any number of ways, this was her breaking point with his non-compliance. This was over an electronic device.

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Sun May 13, 2007 3:38 am

I was flying PEK-ORD on UA back in the summer of 2001 and as soon as we hit the runway, many of the Chinese passengers stood up and started taking things out of the overhead bins. The flight attendants quickly made a harsh announcement in English first then Mandarin and some flight attendants even came down the aisle, took the baggage away from the Chinese passengers and told them sternly to "sit down."

I was seated next to a professor from Northwestern who was coming home after doing studies in China and she says it's common to see this in China after the aircraft lands. Though I don't remember this happening on my ORD-HKG or HKG-LAX flights.

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 7:44 am

An announcement I make quite regularly is after landing is, "Releasing your seat-belts prematurely will not get you off this plane any faster, in fact you will be one of the last off the planes because you will help us clean it." that works sometimes I got tired of repeating, " you are in violation of Federal Aviation Regulations..." because people really don't give a shit about that.


the general flying public doesnt realize that basically the moment you step into a commerical airport you are under the control of the federal government.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 18):
Though I don't remember this happening on my ORD-HKG or HKG-LAX flights.

Although they are part of the same country and is slowly starting to blend in, HK people behave very differently to most of the mainland Chinese so your experience bears this out. They will also queue in shops and restaurants, whereas in China it is common to push to the front. Even between Hong Kong and Macau there is a huge difference in the amount of respect for rules.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 8:17 am

Not so long ago i was on a flight landing in Milan Malpensa and, being the typical Italian (no offence meant, but you know what i mean) we were on the highspeed turnoff from the runway when a man got up. Captain got told to hold at end of the taxiway, he braked suddenly and violently to meet the atc's request sending the man headfirst over the seat in front landing on his shoulder. These are exactly the reasons why we don't allow people to stand up. It annoys the hell out of me when people are too dumb to understand that the seatbelt sign applies to them too, not just everyone else.

On a funnier note, quite a few of the captains that work at my company, when they hear the F/A's over the PA telling pax to sit back down, brake suddenly or take a corner quite quickly. It usually gets the message across and anyone who was standing up either sits back down quite quickly or gets what they deserve  Smile
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 10:51 am

People standing in aisles as the aircraft taxi's to the stand is becoming an all too common scene around the world.
Rush, rush, rush.... thats the name of the game.

I personally prefer to remain seated as its more comfortable, but those people who stand do so at their own risk,and if it helps them get to that all important final destination well fine, I am not going to stop them.

It will take a serious injury at some occasion for people to see sense.

Just my two cents

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 1:01 pm

I recently retuned to ATL from MEX on a full DL757where as soon as we touched down almost half the aircraft unbuckled and stood up to retrive their items from the overhead bins. The flight attendants made an annoucement to sit down and instead of returning to their seats, people just started squatting down in the aisle. It took a couple of more annoucements and finally an annoucement from the pilot saying that he would totally stop the plane if everyone did not immediately sit down. We were barely moving he had slowed so much. I guess the majority had never been to ATL where it can take a long time to taxi to the gate. That time it took about 20 minutes.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 1:21 pm

In my experience, this happens all the time on flights to Turkey. The cabin crew usually doesn't bother to make any announcements.

The worst I've seen is on a flight from Shanghai to Bangkok, where an Indian guy stood up immediately after touch down and started to make his way forward. Needless to say, the thrust reversers helped him accelerate to his destination... he ended up flat on the floor. On top of that a flight attendant tried to help him get up and he yelled at her; I suppose he was ashamed and reacted in a wrong way.

Also, on an Iberia flight, the captain failed to make an announcement before landing for the cabin crew to be seated. The purser kept going and was still standing as the plane touched down. However, the landing was very smooth and she didn't have any difficulty keeping on her feet.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 1:42 pm

I was flying KLM on the same route 2 years ago (737-800 BCN-AMS) and as we were climbing to the cruising altitude with the seat belt sign still on, the flight attendant made an announcement in Dutch which I presume was something along the lines of "For your safety, please remain in your seats until the captain turns off the fasten seat belt sign."

Then, much to my amusement, they repeated the warning in English as, "It's not safe! It's not safe!"

Fortunately nobody thought anything of it, but I could just imagine if we had any English speaking nervous flyers on board what they must have been thinking!
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 3:18 pm

Virgin Blue have a novel way of asking passengers to remain seated. On landing in SYD last week, the announcement went a little something like this...

"We're a little short staffed today. If you're interested in volunteering for clean-up duty, please just stand before this plane has come to a complete stop".

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 3:22 pm

I like to be extra safe in these situations, I keep my seatbelt snug untill all passengers are off the plane, just in case of the unlikely event of a load shift.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 4:08 pm

The thing is that the procedures have changed for the KLM cockpit/cabin-crew, the now give the call "yellow doorselectors manual/automatic - slidebars armed/disarmed at a different time. Problem is that as crew you have to move from your crewseat to do that procedure and people watch you move. So for most people the sign to move around as well.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting Fkruiver (Reply 28):
So for most people the sign to move around as well.

I didn't know people are that stupid.

But reading signs is something that doesn't exist anymore these days. People all know what to do and its completly safe to ignore them  Yeah sure . Watch around in your daily buisness and you see it happening everywhere.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 6:10 pm

I remember coming in from JFK to BRU... during the flight somebody fell seriously ill, so the crew made an announcement he had to be unloaded first by a medical team once we landed in BRU. And still, the moment we came up to the gate this group of three girls stood up and started to make their way forward. You could just see all the rest of the PAX looking with disbelief. They were eventually told by one of the f/a's to sit the @=# down... They did, but gave that typical arrogant look that makes your blood boil.

When touching down, I usually stay seated until the end of the queue has passed me, then I can get my belongings without any stress and walk at ease to the exit.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 6:59 pm

It often happens in Europe. On several occasions, the captain braked sharply (but not too hard and I will not tell you what company) after the announcement and you could see people clinging onto the seats and a few hit the person in front of them. In a matter of seconds everybody was seated...
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 7:33 pm

It happened twice on my flights. Once on Easyjet from BFS, when first the flight attendant facing the passenger cabin made a rude notice to this passenger to sit down, but as he wasn't listening, the captain braked strongly and the passenger almost felt on the floor Big grin I hope he got his lesson.

Another time it happened on the RG CDG-AMS flight on a MD-11. Only around 20 passengers in the whole cabin, and thos Brasilians were in a hurry after such a long trip. The first passenger walked to the front exit and was waiting till the door opened. Later another 2 passengers followed him in doing this.

It was just crazy in my eyes, and on RG nobody complained about them.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 7:34 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Don't pax realise that All would need to get off only after the Aircraft halts Smile
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Yes, also I reason I don't understand people RUSHING to stand up after the plane halts just to be stuck in the middle of a hundred other people in the aisle while waiting for the door to open. And I'm not talking about a long-haul flight here...

Standing up while taxiing, I have never seen that though! Now that's pure idiocy in a world where everyone thinks their own authority is themself!
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Sun May 13, 2007 7:36 pm

It happened to me on LH years ago ... the purser simply shouted SIT DOWN!


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Mon May 14, 2007 6:54 pm

Haha...That's true...

When we flew from HKG to PEK by Dragonair, i was so suprised that there were so many chinese men standing up in the aisle when the plane door closed. The cabin crews kept telling them many times to sit down in chinese (both cantonese and mandrain) but they ignored their instructions. Then a male cabin cabin crew forced them to sit them right now...lol...

Another story, when we were in approach...about nearly to touch down the runways in LAX, I saw a chinese guy walked quickly to get another seat where his wife was. Two AS cabin crews ran to catch him and ordered him to sit down...wow that was very scared! lol
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Mon May 14, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting Bwest (Reply 30):
I usually stay seated until the end of the queue has passed me, then I can get my belongings without any stress and walk at ease to the exit.

same here, unless I´m entering the US. Then I don´t care what happens, but I don´t want to be stuck at the end of the queue
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Mon May 14, 2007 8:15 pm

On a flight from LIS to GRU, on TAP, just after the plane landed it had to stop to wait for an Iberia A340 to take off, suddenly everybody in the midle seats an on the aisle stood up and taking their luggage from the over head bins. The FA's made a 2nd (this time angry) announcement and everybody sat down. I couldn't believe it we were still far away form the stand.


Another funny story was in Lisbon airport, it was raining a lot, no airbridge for our flight and we had to go by bus to the plane. The bus driver, to avoid the incovenience of people getting wet when boarding, parked the bus as much as possible close to the (covered) stairs. He only opened the front door and you could step from inside the bus to the (covered) stairs without getting wet. Well there were some "rushy" tourists in the back of the bus that started complaining and yelling to the bus driver to poen the back door....Well, he opened the door and after they step put he closed again....the rushy passangers had to wait outside in the rain and wait that all passangers that were inside the bus made their way inside plane and couldn't get in the bus again because the driver had already close the back door. ... It was a wonderful lesson for the rushy passengers.
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Mon May 14, 2007 8:54 pm

Happens on a fairly regular basis in Indonesia, though the worst I have personally experienced was in Europe on a FR flight Algherro to STN. What a shambles that was!
 
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Mon May 14, 2007 9:09 pm

I would have told those silly gooses to sit down.
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Mon May 14, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 7):
Just jump on the intercom and tell the captain to hit the brakes really hard!

This one works best. It's funnier than all get out to see people try to hold on and stay standing. They get the point. Dolts.
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Mon May 14, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 22):
It will take a serious injury at some occasion for people to see sense.

They won't. They sue the airline instead.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Mon May 14, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting AY104 (Reply 1):
have absolutely no respect for any kind of authority or announcement any more

Something to be said for the practice of "caning" in Singapore. Too bad the practice in not more wide-spread.
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Mon May 14, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 8):
I used to work for an airline in the UK and if ANYONE dared get up before the seatbelt sign went out they got a serious ear-bashing from the crew in front of everyone else.

I actuall saw a girl get taken to one side by the police at BHX because she was sitting in the emergency exit row and wouldn't take her headphones off for the safety brief on departure from IOM. There was a big fuss as she was met at the end of the flight by the law!



This thread has made us all sound like a whole load of grumpy old men and women though!
 
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Mon May 14, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 43):
This thread has made us all sound like a whole load of grumpy old men and women though!

You are a grumpy old man!
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Mon May 14, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 44):

You are a grumpy old man!

True Big grin - but hey, the prez just called me grumpy so it's not all bad!
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Wed May 16, 2007 4:20 pm

Flying from SFO to PEK last July, ill check if i have the photo still but its from our final turn towards the runway and there were a bunch of people blocking the asile waiting to use the lav. F/A's were tapping their shoulders and politely asking them in chinese to sit down or something. When we het the runway, they felt it. An elderly man needed assistance off the plane becasue he fell right over. I Hope he broke his hip!!! Hopefully it gave him a stern lesson
 
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Wed May 16, 2007 6:24 pm

So. If the crew did plead for them so sit down and they still would not, who would be sued when a rapid stop HAD to be made and bodies rammed into solid objects, each other, and the smart one still fastened in, and the crew seated in jump seats at the front of the cabin?
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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Wed May 16, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting Peh (Reply 26):
"We're a little short staffed today. If you're interested in volunteering for clean-up duty, please just stand before this plane has come to a complete stop".

Oh man, that's funny...I wish I were on that flight... Big grin

I've had some flights where pax would stand up right after landing.

On a flight BRU-LHR, we were holding short of RWY 27L for traffic coming in (we had to taxi to T4 after landing on 27R). One of the passengers couldn't wait any longer, stood up and probably thought that we had already arrived at the gate/parking stand. Shortly thereafter the Captain made an announcement that went something like "ladies and gentlemen, we were cleared for crossing the runway, but due to unsafe passenger behaviour we missed that opportunity and now we have to wait for another gap in between landing aircraft'". You just had to see the face on that guy when all other passenger started to look very angry at him  Silly

Just stay seated until the aircraft has come to a complete stop at the gate and the seatbelt sign has bee switched off!

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RE: Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS

Wed May 16, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Levent (Reply 24):
In my experience, this happens all the time on flights to Turkey. The cabin crew usually doesn't bother to make any announcements.

Actually it is not that bad. I witnessed a tactic which was really cool last week in Turkey. On a domestic TK flight I was sitting all the way back, so I could see the aisle all the way. After landing the FA made an announcement " Could everyone please sit down till we come to a complete stop." This was after the regular recorded message. But there was no one standing up. It could be that she does this no matter what, without looking, or just a habit. Whatever the case, it worked.

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