Gareth757
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Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 3:24 am

Ryanair are developing a range of new services this summer, the new flights include started May 7 and will continue throughout may, these include...

Frankfurt Hahn - Faro, Fez and Marrakech.
Bournemouth - Marseille.
Stockholm Savsta - Alghero, Marseille and Venice Treviso.

However to support their network expansion and increase services on some routes Ryanair have suspended the following services...

Barcelona - Faro.
Stockholm - Charleroi, Gdansk and Kaunas.
East Midlands - Santiago.
Frankfurt - Genoa, Nantes and Trieste.
Liverpool - Tampere.
Marseille - Frankfurt, Karlsruhe Baden and Rome.
Pisa - Karlsruhe Baden.
 
LaPaige
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 7:41 am

They have also announced eight new routes from Dusseldorf Weeze, with the first three ones commencing in June.

Alghero (Sardinia) June 3 weekly
Alicante June 6 weekly
Fuerteventura Oct 4 weekly
Malaga Oct 4 weekly
Marrakech Oct 3 weekly
Milan Oct Daily
Palma de Mallorca June Daily
Seville Oct 3 weekly
Trapani (Sicily) Oct 3 weekly
Valencia Oct 4 weekly
Vaxjo (Sweden) Oct 4 weekly
Venice June 4 weekly

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=07&month=may&story=rte-en-100507
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 5:16 pm

You can also put it the other way around: In the past 30 days, Ryanair has axed 15 routes in total:

Girona - Faro
East Midlands – Santiago de Compostela
Hahn – Genoa
Hahn – Krakow
Hahn – Nantes
Hahn – Trieste
Liverpool – Tampere
Marseille – Hahn
Marseille – Karlsruhe Marseille – Rome
Pisa - Karlsruhe
Skavsta - Brussels
Skavsta - Kaunas
Skavsta - Gdansk
Stansted - Blackpool
 
philb
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 5:37 pm

Given Ryanair's business model and its popularity with the flying public, we can expect more of the same. They will operate where they think there is a demand. If it exists service will continue, extra flights will be added if the route grows. If it doesn't show a good return (and we are probably looking at 80% plus load factors) a route will be withdrawn.

Some routes will be seasonal, though not necessarily co-inciding with the seasons of the year and, when someone comes to write a definitive history of Ryanair's expansion this decade, whoever tries to draw route maps will find they need to illustrate the network two or three times each year.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 3):
Some routes will be seasonal, though not necessarily co-inciding with the seasons of the year and, when someone comes to write a definitive history of Ryanair's expansion this decade, whoever tries to draw route maps will find they need to illustrate the network two or three times each year.

So FR axed a few routes? Its not really a very big deal. Flying from secondary airport to secondary airport there are bound to be some routes that dont work out. It happens to all carriers. But look how many new routes they have launched.....

STN-BLK is an obvious route for teh chop....Brighton is only an hour from STN on the motorway......

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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 6:04 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):

STN-BLK is an obvious route for teh chop....Brighton is only an hour from STN on the motorway......

You've got that the wrong way round! The BLK-STN route was primarily for the citizens of the Fylde Coast/Central Lancashire to reach London or transfer at STN, especially after Virgin Trains pulled all Blackpool North - London Euston trains.

I don't know the average load factor, but it was in the region of about 60% by all accounts. With LS also scrapping BLK - PRG and BLK - AMS, it seems that the 733/4 and 738 is a little bit too much aircraft for Blackpool on many routes.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
Brighton is only an hour from STN on the motorway......

Good God, Sunday morning and you are out of bed before 10! Was the union bar closed and all the pubs in Leeds made out of bounds to students last night!?

BTW, if you can do Stansted to Brighton in an hour at any time you'd do well. At 62.38 miles and the last 5 miles restricted to 40 mph then 30 mph, it is possible in the early hours of the morning but allowing between 90 minutes and 2 hours is much more realistic - even then you need to assume no delays on the M23/M25 and at the Dartford crossing.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 6):
Good God, Sunday morning and you are out of bed before 10! Was the union bar closed and all the pubs in Leeds made out of bounds to students last night!?

Ill take that as a complement.  Wink

Ok, so BLK is a little more than an hour, BUT, by the time you have checked in and actually arrived in BLK you would already have been in Brighton for at lest an hor and a half!

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 5):
he BLK-STN route was primarily for the citizens of the Fylde Coast/Central Lancashire to reach London or transfer at STN, especially after Virgin Trains pulled all Blackpool North - London Euston trains.

Woops, I forgot about passengers going the other way. Even still, I imagine a lot of teh traffic would originate in the North, which could explain why they pulled it.

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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 7:13 pm

The main problem with Blackpool - Stansted, which started as double daily (was it at the finish?) was that the potential traffic could drive to Preston, park, pick up the West Coast main line Virgin Pendolino and be in Central London faster than the equivalent door to door time by air - especially given the frequent problems on the Stansted Express due to delays getting into Liverpool St and the even greater problems on the coach using the M11.

Add to that the frequency of the rail service between London and Preston makes for flexible travel compared to the times available by air.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 7:31 pm

Ryanair indeed often scraps routes, and this is a logical result of their trial-and-error way of finding routes and estimating demand. As for many routes, they are the first carrier ever to operate them, there is hardly any information available about expected demand. Some routes work way better than expected (MRS-Sweden for example, was a very new market to them), some don't. Some routes get axed as they can use the capacity at the terminal currently better for something else, but they will likely come back once more terminal capacity is available. (HHN and CRL are currently being expanded).

NRN and NYO are airports that they wanted to expand for a long time already, but only recently got governmental approval. I wonder when they will start expanding MAD: considering the popularity of Spain from Germany, I expect MAD to HHN, NRN and/or BRE to be launched this autumn, as well as MAD-NYO.

FR have currently 2 738s to be delivered in october, on the 'still to place' list; they are targeted for a new base at EIN, but if the airport authority will not get the regulations in place before the end of may, they will be added to another base or used to launch a new base somewhere else.

[Edited 2007-05-13 12:32:07]
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 7:38 pm

Loosing STN service is a big blow to the Blackpool area

Firstly the service offered a day return facility to a London area for business passengers. Secondly, with no through train service, it was Blackpool's main link to London and would help attract inward investment that Blackpool needs, after loosing the Casino bid. When a business wanting to invest in Blackpool asks about links to London, saying you have to catch a coach or change trains at Preston (however good the trains are) is not going to be very attractive

Sadly there is no obvious airline to take over the route
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):

The problem is that people on the Fylde travelling to London still use the train or car and train. The advantages are that there is a massive choice of departures from Preston, a good mix of prices depending on when you book, time en route to do some work and no problems at the Southern end to delay arrival or check in on the return trip.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
So FR axed a few routes? Its not really a very big deal. Flying from secondary airport to secondary airport there are bound to be some routes that dont work out. It happens to all carriers. But look how many new routes they have launched.....

But if you look at FR website, they were saying on the french site that the route from Marseille to Rome was really successful!  Wink
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 5):
I don't know the average load factor, but it was in the region of about 60% by all accounts. With LS also scrapping BLK - PRG and BLK - AMS, it seems that the 733/4 and 738 is a little bit too much aircraft for Blackpool on many routes.

I totally agree, the good news is that BLK-GRO sustains high loads so I don't think there is any danger of Ryanair pulling out of BLK altogether.

I think the main problem with BLK is that many people prefer go to MAN or LPL from the North West of England, even though BLK is relatively easy to get to by car. BLK doesn't offer the wealth of destinations that people want so many people don't even consider to travel from there.

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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 8:29 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
Woops, I forgot about passengers going the other way. Even still, I imagine a lot of teh traffic would originate in the North, which could explain why they pulled it.

I believe that Blackpool is also a stag and hen party favourite for folks from London, although it defeats me why anybody would want to..........etc. I quite like the place tbh, but I'm only 40 mins away by car.

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 13):
BLK doesn't offer the wealth of destinations that people want so many people don't even consider to travel from there.

True, it was always going to be trial and error from BLK. The North West isn't big enough really for 3 sizeable international airports, but BLK hasn't done too badly if you consider where it was 3 or 4 years ago (nearly empty). I keep telling myself that one day I'll use it (IOM ?), for the novelty factor.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Sun May 13, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 12):
But if you look at FR website, they were saying on the french site that the route from Marseille to Rome was really successful! Wink

I have no doubt that it will return soon, but that at the current situation with the limitations of a/c based in either MRS or CIA do not allow for operating the route. Apparently, HHN and FKB did not perform too good, and their best alternative (NYO) required one other flight to be axed.

Very likely is, IMO, that they were fearing competition on Stockholm-MRS, maybe they heard that Sterling intended to operate ARN-MRS? CIA-MRS, they can pick up whenever they want - no single airline will even consider trying to fly CIA-MRS, because they will be completely pushed off the route by Ryanair immediately re-opening the route and offering every seat for 1c. The same goes for MRS-HHN, nobody will try to compete so they can start it whenever it suits them.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 2):
Stansted - Blackpool

FR have flown that route for many years - surprising that it is dropped now.... Must be the new virgin trains taking the traffic away.
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 3:28 am

Any further sign of Ryanair flying to Lanzarote from Dublin, rummors for a while
but no real news yet.....?
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 3:45 am

Looking at the routes that have been chopped at BLK recently by Jet2 and Ryanair, it appears to me as if it would make an interesting base for Flybe's 78seat Q400s. There seems to be some demand, but simply not enough to fill B737s. Has Flybe ever shown an interest in Blackpool ?
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting Gareth757 (Thread starter):
Bournemouth - Marseille.

Bournemouth - Nantes starts on 14th June as a W-Patern flight using a Madrid based aircraft. The aircraft will fly MAD-BOH-NTE-BOH-MAD 3x a week.

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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 18):
Has Flybe ever shown an interest in Blackpool ?

In the early 1980's an airline called Spacegrand operated out of BLK. This airline later became part of Jersey European. Of course Jersey European later became Flybe (via British European). BE left Blackpool a few years ago, and I think at the end the only service was a Summer Saturday link to Belfast City
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
saying you have to catch a coach or change trains at Preston (however good the trains are) is not going to be very attractive

Still quicker than doing Blackpool-London city by air...
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
FR have flown that route for many years - surprising that it is dropped now

It is four years ago this month since the route was started. I was on the third flight out of Dublin with around a 40% load factor and paid 1 cent for the ticket plus taxes and charges. 4 years is hardly "many years".

Edit as the middle two sentence have gone missing!

Should read:

It is four years ago this month since the route was started. Stansted and Dublin started at the same time, or thereabouts, and I was on the third flight out of Dublin - and paid 1 cent for the ticket plus taxes and charges. The Stansted service, twice a day, started the same time and was touted as "a new era for Blackpool" though loads were initially light with around a 40% load factor.
4 years is hardly "many years".

[Edited 2007-05-14 09:20:02]
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 7:53 pm

One thing I was trying to figure out using their website was, what is the cheapest round trip from Stockholm?

I like the changes to the network. I look forward to taking advantage of them!

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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
Sadly there is no obvious airline to take over the route

I reckon BE is the only airline in the UK with the correct aircraft size...

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 18):
Looking at the routes that have been chopped at BLK recently by Jet2 and Ryanair, it appears to me as if it would make an interesting base for Flybe's 78seat Q400s. There seems to be some demand, but simply not enough to fill B737s. Has Flybe ever shown an interest in Blackpool ?

I'd be surprised if they open a base in BLK but, since the acquisition of BA Connect, they may be looking to expand their base at LGW. If BE based a few 146s or Dash 8s from LGW, they could probably operate quite successfully to BLK, LPL, LBA, MME.... any others?
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 22):
4 years is hardly "many years"

Its unusual for a failing FR route to last that long. STN CRL comes to mind as another multi frequency route that was dropped, (and recently re-instated).
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Mon May 14, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 24):
I reckon BE is the only airline in the UK with the correct aircraft size...

Over the past few months, there have been constant rumours about Euromanx a) looking at the Q400 and b) wanting to establish an operation somewhere in England in addition to the IOM. BLK would be a quite logical choice for them.

However, according to news making the headlines (well, sort of) today, they appear to be the money-losing airline funded by the RBS - with the result that a RBS manager has been chopped because of all the loses accumulated. So they might not be in the state to expand.

Probably the most likely choice is Jet2, either by moving the B146 from NCL to BLK and replacing it with a B737 over there (the NCL-LGW route seems to be doing quite OK) or by leasing a second B146. Other than that, I see little hope.
 
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Tue May 15, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 21):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
saying you have to catch a coach or change trains at Preston (however good the trains are) is not going to be very attractive

Still quicker than doing Blackpool-London city by air...

But would businesses considering investing in Blackpool realise that?

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 26):
However, according to news making the headlines (well, sort of) today, they appear to be the money-losing airline funded by the RBS - with the result that a RBS manager has been chopped because of all the loses accumulated. So they might not be in the state to expand.

It's HBOS - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...xml=/money/2007/05/13/cnhbos13.xml

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 26):
Probably the most likely choice is Jet2, either by moving the B146 from NCL to BLK and replacing it with a B737 over there (the NCL-LGW route seems to be doing quite OK) or by leasing a second B146. Other than that, I see little hope.

Problem would be getting peak time LGW slots
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RE: Ryanair Network Changes

Tue May 15, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 26):
Probably the most likely choice is Jet2, either by moving the B146 from NCL to BLK and replacing it with a B737 over there (the NCL-LGW route seems to be doing quite OK) or by leasing a second B146. Other than that, I see little hope.

NCL-LGW going to a 737. BAe 146 going back to Flightline. BLK getting an MD80.
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