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What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 10:04 am

Was watching a video of a Saudi 777 at PRG on Flightlevel350.com and noticed the pilot at the radio had an American accent. Just wondering what airlines out there hire American pilots/crew that are not based in the US.

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 10:15 am

Emirates does for a fact. They have an extensive recruitment network. I've considered applying with them.
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 11:01 am

By no means is this list comprehensive. Just some of the airlines I have checked out as recently 'hiring' US pilots, not necessarily airlines you would want to work for or who at this exact moment are hiring.

Saudi Arabian
Emirates
Qatar Airways
Gulf Air
Etihad
Air Arabia
Al Jazeera
Singapore Airlines
Cathay Pacific
Korean Airlines
Kingfisher Airlines
Jet Airways
All Nippon Airways (through contract agents)
JAL (through contract agents)
China Airlines
Eva Air

There are no shortage of threads on this subject here or on other message boards such as pprune.org.
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 3:46 pm

I know for a fact that Skymark airlines in Japan does. And of course, all of the group airlines of JAL. I know that JEX and JAA (?) does. And I also read the threat that Oasis in Hong Kong is trying to recruite many ex-CX people so I would think that they would have a couple of Americans as well.
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 8:41 pm

Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones. Cathay for example has their 744 pilot base in San Francisco.
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones.

I suggest you re-visit your sources of information. The UK and most of the EU won't even recognize a FAA license. Some other airlines will hire Americans but only since the pool of UK/EU pilots (experienced) is non-existant.
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 9:12 pm

Just curious, do US airlines employ non-US pilots? For example on 5th freedom routes between two other countries?
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Mon May 14, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones

I'm not sure what you mean by overseas. You see a lot of Asian airlines hiring American pilots since there is a shortage of trained pilots in Asia. The general aviation market is small in many countries including India and the middle east, so you will see those airlines looking to America's glut of trained pilots. The United States has so many training locations. You see demand for US pilots because they are easy to find. A pilot from the United States that might be flying Dash 8s or CRJs in the US might have enough hours and be recruited to fly 737s in Asia. There is just such rapid expansion in some areas that the pilot pool is just not big enough.
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 6):
do US airlines employ non-US pilots

As long as you have an FAA License and legal working rights in the US, most US Airlines will hire expat pilots. I know a couple aussies that fly here for Continental. Another friend of mine from Columbia I believe flew for my old regional flying Jetstream 31's.

Personally, I noly know of two people flying with non-US carriers and that is a friend at Cathay and one at Eva Airlines. I know Emirates, JAL, and Jade Air Cargo are hiring US pilots. Dont get me started on the Indian carriers....they'll hire anyone that breathes and has a license. (Scares the crap out of me when I found out a CFI Student left here in Houston and went right seat to an Airbus with 300 total time...thats just scary...another reason I dont fly Indian Carriers).

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
The UK and most of the EU won't even recognize a FAA license.

Isn't there some number of hours (5,000 IIRC) at which the JAA will recognize an FAA ATP without having to do all the conversion exams?

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones.

I suggest you re-visit your sources of information. The UK and most of the EU won't even recognize a FAA license. Some other airlines will hire Americans but only since the pool of UK/EU pilots (experienced) is non-existant.

I think he meant that british pilots are ALSO hired under the same preference that airlines might have for native English speaking pilots. Not that British airlines hire American pilots.
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
Isn't there some number of hours (5,000 IIRC) at which the JAA will recognize an FAA ATP without having to do all the conversion exams?

You are referring to having 3000 hours in a MCC, plus there's a minimum weight limit and then you only have to sit 2 of the papers (air law and human factors).

Quoting ATCT (Reply 8):
(Scares the crap out of me when I found out a CFI Student left here in Houston and went right seat to an Airbus with 300 total time...thats just scary...another reason I dont fly Indian Carriers).

Then I wouldn't look at any Cadet schemes that exist in every part of the world except N. America. It's not uncommon to see pilots with 200 hours in the right seat of a 744.
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 9:07 am

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 5:08 pm

AFAIK DragonAir has British Pilots. I don't know if this is to do with them being in HK or simply that foreigners are allowed; my guess is that it was probably the former, but then became the latter.
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 11:40 pm

Fair or not, there seems to be a preference to have at least one native English speaking pilot on board many airlines for overseas flights.
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Tue May 15, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
Emirates does for a fact.

YUP! My friend got hired with them right out of College!! While all his friends moved on to the commuters to start their careers, he was crusieing around DXB in a 777-300 soon to be getting certified on the A380. And he is only 25 years old...
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 14):
Fair or not, there seems to be a preference to have at least one native English speaking pilot

Er....what's a "native" English pilot....?
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 8):
Another friend of mine from Columbia I believe flew for my old regional flying Jetstream 31's.

= You mean the country Colombia and not the fleet jacket maker right?

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
Er....what's a "native" English pilot....?

Someone whose first language was English, which usually means being from a primarily English-speaking country...so mainly Brits, Americans, Aussies, Irish, but could also be from many other places (former British colonies..hmmm...like Australia...mainly).
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 3:31 am

All the Private Airlines out here requires Pilots,Commanders can be Expats:-
Jet Airways :- B73-400/500/700/800/900,ATR72-500
Indigo:- A320
KingFisher :- A320/21
SpiceJet:- B73-400/800
Paramount:- E170
GoAir:- A320
Blue Dart:- B737-200SF,B757-200SF
First Flight:- ATP Turboprops.

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 11):
Then I wouldn't look at any Cadet schemes that exist in every part of the world except N. America. It's not uncommon to see pilots with 200 hours in the right seat of a 744.

Yep, but I have flown with these guys...and it ain't pretty. Don't get me wrong you can train to proficiency but in the US there is a step climb process to heavies. In Asia its Seneca to 400...not ideal.

Also as an American you can get on with some Euro carriers...e.g. Ryanair etc. not sure how they work the legalities but its doable.

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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting IADCA (Reply 18):
Someone whose first language was English, which usually means being from a primarily English-speaking country...so mainly Brits, Americans, Aussies, Irish, but could also be from many other places (former British colonies..hmmm...like Australia...mainly).



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
All the Private Airlines out here requires Pilots,Commanders can be Expats:-
Jet Airways :- B73-400/500/700/800/900,ATR72-500
Indigo:- A320
KingFisher :- A320/21
SpiceJet:- B73-400/800
Paramount:- E170
GoAir:- A320
Blue Dart:- B737-200SF,B757-200SF
First Flight:- ATP Turboprops.

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Yes, in India there is currently a shortage of pilots, thanks to the boom in aviation.....however, over the years airlines in India have done fine with Indian pilots (whose English is as good as any pilot from the "native English world").... smile 

I guess this shortage situation in India will continue for at least 4-5 years, after which there will typically be a glut, with a lot of young people training to be pilots....that's typically how it goes in India.....so, the expat pilots have a few years more to make hay while the sun shines on the aviation sector in India.....
 
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 5:09 am

Just to add to the list is VN
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RE: What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?

Wed May 16, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
.....so, the expat pilots have a few years more to make hay while the sun shines on the aviation sector in India.....

Agreed.The Expats are normally recruited on a contract basis system with paid holidays & subject to annual renewal.
Currently only Expat commanders are eligible as Local F/Os are plenty.
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