apollo13
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Princess Juliana Airport

Mon May 14, 2007 4:51 pm

will they ever extend the runway out over the beach and if so when? i am planning on going there in late 2008, will it be too late then?
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Mon May 14, 2007 7:07 pm

Unlikely, doing so would only gain an extra 100 feet. There is also a road between the beach and the runway that would be lost. If they were to lengthen the runway I believe they would go the other way and reclaim part of the bay.
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Mon May 14, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Unlikely, doing so would only gain an extra 100 feet. There is also a road between the beach and the runway that would be lost. If they were to lengthen the runway I believe they would go the other way and reclaim part of the bay.

The bay meaning the famous beach? Possible.

The other end is where the main road from Philipsburg to the Maho Bay area and the airport terminal are. So expansion likely would be into the famous beach and infill in the water. But its not needed so I hope it doesn't happen.
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 12:25 am

Why would they bother? I can see resurfacing at some point, but is there really a need for extension? It seems to suit widebodies just fine. Maybe a little bit tight...but they make it work. Besides, extending over the beach would take away one of the unique things about SXM...something that is the reason many make the trek to St. Maarten.

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Unlikely, doing so would only gain an extra 100 feet. There is also a road between the beach and the runway that would be lost. If they were to lengthen the runway I believe they would go the other way and reclaim part of the bay.



Quoting 787KQ (Reply 2):
The bay meaning the famous beach? Possible.

The other end is where the main road from Philipsburg to the Maho Bay area and the airport terminal are. So expansion likely would be into the famous beach and infill in the water. But its not needed so I hope it doesn't happen.

Hmmmm, trying to remember here from when I was there in 2005. If I recall correctly, the runway is surrounded by key roads that connect businesses and hotels and such to main roads. I just don't know where they would go. Also, Maho Beach (that famous beach) is the beach for a large hotel/resort, so they would complicate that business.

I'm excited. I'll be at Maho on July 26, yeah!!!!

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 12:47 am

I would think the only option for extension would be the beach end as the other side would take the departue end of the runway closer to the hills opposite - departing aircraft already perform an early right turn for clearance.
Regarding the access road by the beach - perhaps a Gibraltar type solution with a controlled road crossing a runway extend out into they bay. Would be a crying shame to lose Maho beach though !!  Wow!
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting DH106 (Reply 5):
I would think the only option for extension would be the beach end as the other side would take the departue end of the runway closer to the hills opposite - departing aircraft already perform an early right turn for clearance.
Regarding the access road by the beach - perhaps a Gibraltar type solution with a controlled road crossing a runway extend out into they bay. Would be a crying shame to lose Maho beach though !! (wow)

I'm not so certain that going onto the famous Maho Bay Beach is part of the long term plan for SXM:

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It looks as if there is work going on over on the Simpson Bay side (Runway 27). I don't think they're going to touch the famous runway 9 side:

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The 28,000 square-meter addition will nearly double the size and passenger capacity of the current facility: it will be able to accommodate 2.5 million passengers per year - 1 million more than it can now. 54,000 square meters of land was reclaimed from the Simpson Bay lagoon for its construction. Koop Holding Europe, headquartered in Groningen, the Netherlands is the main contractor for the project; Netherlands Airport Consultants (NACO) has been engaged to conduct supervision.
By executing Phase II, PJIAE is ensuring continued compliance with the increasing international safety and security standards, to meet future traffic demand and to improve the level of service at the airport. Once completed the Phase II developments will also anchor and enhance St. Maarten’s position as a preferred tourist destination and PJIA’s position as the premier gateway in the North Eastern Caribbean. RBTT Merchant Bank is the principal financier of the project.

There is nearly another two miles of space over the Simpson Bay lagoon to clear Sentry Hill, an a/c typically make a hard left or right bank upon acheiving a complete rotation. This typically takes them between the two high points on the island, the other being Mt Paradis.

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 2:02 am

Can It handle the A380 ? Not that I can image it there.
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 7):
Can It handle the A380 ? Not that I can image it there.

From what it's said, the A380 can land anywhere a B744 can, and also the A380 requires less runway than the 747 for takeoff and landing.... The idea of a A380 landing at SXM may not be that far off, but of course I really doubt it will ever have schedule service... However, didn't the A380 land at some other airports in the caribbean that are similar in lenght to SXM? I'm pretty sure it did, just don't remember where... Someone I'm sure will know and can provide the runway figures.
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 8):
From what it's said, the A380 can land anywhere a B744 can, and also the A380 requires less runway than the 747 for takeoff and landing.... The idea of a A380 landing at SXM may not be that far off, but of course I really doubt it will ever have schedule service...

Both AF and KLM have historically loved sending in their 747s during the peak months (Nov-May). But I highly doubt we'll see an A380 coming through this airport for some years, unless for some odd reason it is a charter or a plug-in/replacement a/c. AF turned increasingly to the A343 after @2002 for Paris-SXM service. Not sure if KLM has any equipment changes in mind in the not to distant future.

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 3:00 am

KLM is sending the MD 11 to SXM from now on... unless the use a B744 to substitute reasons
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
KLM is sending the MD 11 to SXM from now on... unless the use a B744 to substitute reasons

Interesting. It seams all the shots that end up in the database are still 744s, but the MD-11 is a good choice for SXM:

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 3:10 am

Though, I could see a 380 being sent for a photo-shoot  Smile.

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
KLM is sending the MD 11 to SXM from now on... unless the use a B744 to substitute reasons

Indeed, I am down here and saw it land on Friday. I think if they expand the runway, it wil be into the lagoon and not the famous beach. The question is the mountains at that end of the runway.
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 13):
Indeed, I am down here and saw it land on Friday. I think if they expand the runway, it wil be into the lagoon and not the famous beach. The question is the mountains at that end of the runway.

Big jets will always land from the ocean.but takeoff is happening either way
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 8:33 am

I'll be there for a week beginning June 14th! I can't wait!
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 9:25 am

Simma simma now everyone! The Airport Director in everyone is coming out and this question was just that a circumstancial question.
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting N710PS (Reply 16):
The Airport Director in everyone is coming out and this question was just that a circumstancial question.

Sorry, can't resist!

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Netherlands Airport Consultants (NACO) has been engaged to conduct supervision.

Here's the plan suggested by NACO:

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 9:54 am

Why don they just blow up part of the mountain?  bomb  Would create a nice little gap for someone to fly through.  airplane 


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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 10:06 am

If anything, don't today's jets require less runway @ MTOW than the classics? Looking @ departedflights.com the route in Nov '79 JFK-SXM was on AA with a 707; were those runs weight restricted? I also flew there myself in Apr '85 on a PA 747-100 and back on a PA 747SP; no problems, obviously.
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 19):

B747 can takeoff from Sxm with pax and fuel for up to 3-4 hours easily it is with full payload and fuel to reach Europe that a B744 would have problems runway to short
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 12:24 pm

the runway is being extended into simpson bay. however, the maho beach side will be affected in that landings and takeoffs won't occur as closely to the famous maho fence as they once did once the runway is extended.
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 2:36 pm

A bit of creative photoshopping and you have the arrival of the first A380 at TNCM!!

http://homepage.mac.com/tempone_phot.../Nikon%20D200/A380%20at%20TNCM.jpg

HAHA! How awesome.

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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 4:09 pm

When will all of this happen?
 
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RE: Princess Juliana Airport

Tue May 15, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting Boris342 (Reply 22):
A bit of creative photoshopping and you have the arrival of the first A380 at TNCM!!

Looks like a whale just jumped out of the ocean.
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