viscount630
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Crash Landing Bracing In "Diagonal Seating"?

Tue May 15, 2007 2:57 am

Musing over a pic on A.net of a cabin showing the latest "fashion" for F/C class layouts on wide-bodies to be inwards facing on an angle, I wondered;

A) What are the crash survival implications for passengers seated at this angle as opposed to the more usual forward facing?

B) What is the recommended "Brace Position" in the event of an emergency landing that the F/As have time to prepare the passengers for?

I do have to admit to a slight predjudice against the IDEA of this layout anyway. Not that I expect to ever be rich enough to buy a ticket entitling me to one of these seats, but what's the great attraction of sitting with your back to the window? One of the great joys of flying for me is what's going on outside both at alititude and even when taxiing around airports. I'd have a stiff neck!  Wink
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Markhkg
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RE: Crash Landing Bracing In "Diagonal Seating"?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:11 am

Don't worry, these seats have been designed to meet the FAA 16G survival requirement.

On AC and VS and Air New Zealand Aircraft, these seats have air bags installed into the seat belt. Amsafe specifically designed these airbags for the diagonal configuration.

On Cathay Pacific new J class, these seat have three-point seat belts that must be worn during takeoff and landing.

The brace positions, surprisingly, are different among carriers with the airbag. From the safety cards:
Air Canada: Normal bend over, heads down position.
Virgin Atlantic: Normal bend over, heads down position.
Air New Zealand: Cross arms, sit back, place feet on the Ottoman.

For Cathay Pacific, the proper brace position would be to sit up straight, have feet slightly back and to sit on the hands, plams up. Neck would be flexed to touch the chest.
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ANother
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RE: Crash Landing Bracing In "Diagonal Seating"?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 1):
Don't worry, these seats have been designed to meet the FAA 16G survival requirement.

I have my doubts about the new 'Club' seats on BA. My seat wobbled very badly - enought to spill my beer - when the guy by the window moved.
 
Markhkg
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RE: Crash Landing Bracing In "Diagonal Seating"?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 2):

I have my doubts about the new 'Club' seats on BA. My seat wobbled very badly - enought to spill my beer - when the guy by the window moved.

The topic is about diagonal seating though -- the new Club seats are not diagonal. These seats do not require airbags as there isn't a hard surface or wall the person is likely to strike. (Which in the diagonal seating the partition is the problem...) Is the middle partition lowered for takeoff and landing?

Incidentally, the rear-facing seats in Club World are technically better in terms of surviving a crash compared to a forward facing seat Club World seat without a shoulder belt or air bag.
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David L
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RE: Crash Landing Bracing In "Diagonal Seating"?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 2):
I have my doubts about the new 'Club' seats on BA. My seat wobbled very badly - enought to spill my beer - when the guy by the window moved.

I thought that was just with first seats and the problem's being addressed:
BA New Club World Re-fit (by Brymon May 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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