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There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 7:16 pm

There's hope for "the slum with a runway", Paris CDG.

The management company of Paris airports, ADP, has signed an agreement with Air France about improving the quality of the airpot: improve pax flows, improve operational processes, harmonize infrastructure projects and simplify the development of new ground services.

There's a news item on the [url=
]website of Le Figaro paper[/url] (only in French).

Does that mean buildings which don't look like favelas, and roofs that don't collapse over people's heads? Cleaners that actually do their job? Toilets that are usable? No more layers of "security" agents 2 meters apart all replicating each other's job? Open security lanes? More than one immigration agent per terminal? Bags that arrive in less than 30 minutes? No more lorries and buses that block planes' way on the tarmac? Screens that work and show valid flight information? No more passengers standing in front of closed doors because their plane arrived "by surprise" (sic)?

That would be too good to be true if one of the world's richest and most developed countries finally had a capital airport that works better than the ones in its former African colonies.

But let's hope...
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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting Mozart (Thread starter):
That would be too good to be true if one of the world's richest and most developed countries finally had a capital airport that works better than the ones in its former African colonies.


It really is a disgrace and a very powerful reason to avoid transiting through Paris. The last two times I've done it (and they will really be "the last two times"!) have both been a nightmare. Never again!
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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 7:36 pm


I too was suprised by CDG and ORY too recently. The two airports I had visited before were NCE and TLS which were extremely good. Looking forward to what might become from it one day though (CDG had excellent hotels only didn't like the terminals too much).

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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 7:39 pm

And please install clocks! Travel may be timeless but still it would be a helpful source of orientation.
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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 9:53 pm

Very good news. You described very well the situation. Let's hope...  bouncy   pray 
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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 10:51 pm

What annoys me really about CDG (and specially Terminal 2F) is that even if you transit between Schengen destinations, you are sent off to the street and have to go through security again like all the Paris-originating passengers.

Beside the unnecessary hassle, this overcrowds the security lanes and I can understand that usual travellers from CDG might complain on this.

It's a very nice airport but very very very bad organised.
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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 11:34 pm

This is a true story from CDG.

My family was travelling from the U.S. back to Finland, and as we fly DL a lot, transferring at CDG onwards to Helsinki is quite inevitable (at least before KL joined SkyTeam). Well, we had arrived on a DL flight (this was around the time terminals 2E&F were still being constructed, I think) and had to take a terminal bus to a different one from which AY operates (we had AF codeshare). The waiting area for the bus was crowded but we managed to ask some agent about from which terminal AY operates from. We were told that it was terminal 1, which already sounded a bit strange to me because I had a distant image in my memory that AY would operate from terminal 2D (which it does). So, we then went on the bus to terminal 1 only to find out that it was the wrong one.

Well, that's really nothing, because mistakes happen.

However, getting from terminal 1 to terminal 2D by the bus turned out to be extremely difficult. When we arrived back at the bus station, the bus drivers (or some other bus station personnel) wanted to check our passports. Well, it was OK, though they probably didn't have any authority to do so. Then my father did a test, he asked again that from which terminal does AY operate from. The answer was 2C. However, there was a sign next to them that showed AY operating from 2D. My father pointed this out to them, with an irritated voice, and also complained about this "extra passport control". Well, the bus drivers didn't like that but they didn't really say anything (due to obvious lacking of English skills). We got on the bus, but after a while it seemed like the bus was purposely avoiding going to 2D. We didn't say anything, but then another passenger asked from the driver why we hadn't stopped at 2D yet. The driver said we would get there shortly. Well, eventually we got there, but only the front doors of the bus would be opened for passengers to get out (we were at the back of the bus). After shouting to the driver to open the middle doors, nothing happened, so we went on to the front doors to get out. Well, the driver closed them abruptly already as some other passengers were still getting off the bus. My dad got furious, and yelled really loud to the driver to open the doors (maybe even threatening him verbally). Only after that the driver would open the doors, but as he opened them he went out himself also, and mumbled something about police in French as he went. We last saw him going up escalator somewhere, and he just left the other passengers in the bus. I don't know what happened to them, but I hope they had reserved enough transfer time for the driver to arrive back to the bus in time, if he ever did arrive.

There will be no hope for CDG until this kind of "employees" have been given a restraining order to the airport.

Oh, and BTW, even though we had a five-hour layover at CDG, our baggage had missed the connecting flight to Helsinki. As they nearly always do there.

Edit: spelling

[Edited 2007-05-15 16:36:29]
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RE: There's Hope For Paris CDG!

Tue May 15, 2007 11:53 pm

Say what you like, the arrivals lounges have great showers, the price of Laurent Perrier Rose is about $30. less per bottle at the CDG "duty free" shop than here in the States, the selection of mustards is fabulous (expensive, but fabulous), and the croissants and coffee at the cafes are excellent. Boarding is a horror with AF (and Delta also), getting from terminal to terminal is a tad confusing, but after sitting on my butt for 8+ hours, standing on the bus is no big problem. Clearing customs has only taken me 15' at its worst. And yes, they do love to lose luggage. Good reason to do carry on only. If you can't fit it into a small carry on suitcase, you almost certainly do not need to schlepp it in the first place.

Flaming CDG makes as much sense as kvetching about how dirty AF aircraft are. There is an element of truth to both, but in reality, it ain't that bad. When was the last time someone tried connecting at O'Hare or EWR in mid December? Also not exactly a pretty sight!
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