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Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 12:15 am

I'm trying to fly to ASB and I was wondering if anyone could tell me a)how the following flights look:

May 23 IAHFRA #441
May 24 FRAASB #612
May 28 ASBFRA #613
May 28 FRAIAH #440

and b) how does ASB do for LH in general? It seems like a very unique destination for LH seeing as they're the only EU airline that flies there. What kind of traffic are they taking to ASB? Is it mostly VFR or business? Both?
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 12:29 am

Hi MaverickM11

LH 441 is about 75 per cent in business and almost full in economy

LH 612 has no one in first about half full in business and 75 per cent full economy

LH 613 has no one in first less than half full in business and just over half full in economy

LH 440 almost full in business and about 75 per cent full economy

Have a good trip!

Cheers!
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 2:15 am

Just curious, are you trying to non-rev?
And I am now going to find a map to find where Ashgabat is, oh dear me.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 2):
And I am now going to find a map to find where Ashgabat is, oh dear me.

Capital of Turkmenistan.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
Capital of Turkmenistan

Yeah, found it on the map.

Hello MaverickM11,

I do hope you could go there and please try to get us a trip report.. Thanks!
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 2):
Just curious, are you trying to non-rev?

Yep.

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 4):
I do hope you could go there and please try to get us a trip report..

Me too! Especially on the domestic flights I hope to take!
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 7:57 am

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
LH 612 has no one in first about half full in business and 75 per cent full economy

Why does LH have F in this market?

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
LH 441 is about 75 per cent in business and almost full in economy



Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
LH 440 almost full in business and about 75 per cent full economy

Thanks! How about DENFRA and back on those same dates? #447 and #446?
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 2:55 pm

Hi

Denver Frankfurt 12C 63 Y open

Frankfurt Denver 27C 27Y open

Good luck!
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Why does LH have F in this market?

Oil industry is big in Turkmenistan
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Wed May 16, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 8):
Oil industry is big in Turkmenistan

It's natural gas, but I'm curious whether LH or Germany has a connection to Turkmenistan that no one else has I guess. For instance, I would think ASB would be a better market than FRU (Bishkek) for BMED.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 12:04 am

LH 612/613 is an A300?
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 10):
LH 612/613 is an A300?

A330-300, although it was listed as an A300 about three months out
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I would think ASB would be a better market than FRU (Bishkek) for BMED.

In some investigating work I did a couple of months ago, I gathered that there is strong intellectual exchange between Kyrgyzstan and the West at the moment: especially the United States, and other EU nations as well.

Now Kyrgyzstan being the youngest of the independent former Soviet Republics, is on, from what I have gathered in news reports and official State Department press releases is on a "Fast-Track" of "Westernization". (Wrapped up in the blanket of combating terrorism....call it what you will.)
With this comes a requirement for a ready means of transportation for diplomats and contractors, etc.

The current airlines into Manas International Airport (FRU) are; Kyrgyzstan Airlines, Altyn Air, Itek Air, Uzbekistan airways, Enkor, Kyrgyz Air, China Xinjiang airlines, Botir Airlines, Aeroflot, Turkish Airlines, and of course BA/BMed.

From that list I can only assume some wise individual has relegated these airlines to a secret State Department list of carriers to avoid...giving BA/BMed the market, since A). The UK is our strongest ally in the campaign, and B). BMed is an airline specifically tasked with flying to locations with special considerations, or more blunt, places where BA might have to employ unique operation standards, (i.e., increasing it's exposure to the overall cost of insurance) but whereas the financial payout is just too large to ignore.
They can charge what they want.

This is only my guess in answer to your curiosity.

Frunze, or Bishkek, as it is now known, is the home to the coalition base in support of NATO's Afghanistan activities.

In addition to the USAF 376th Expeditionary Wing, (FA-18/C-5/C-17/KC-135), other nations include; The UK, Australia (KB-707), South Korea (personnel), Italty (personnel), the Netherlands (C-130), Denmark (C-130), Singapore (air-refueling ??), (Norway (C-130), Spain (C-130), and France (Mirage 2000/C-135FR) have/had a presence at the unofficially named Ganci Air Base at Manas Int'l. (Named for Chief Peter J. Ganci Jr., chief of the New York City Fire Department who gave his life Sept. 11)
Official name is Manas Air Base because of some obscure DoD rule in how military bases are named.....(I believe they cannot be named after U.S. Heroes.)....but the guys on the ground still refer to it as Ganci. Good for them.

The situation in Kyrgyzstan is fluid and changes daily...some of the information may be out of date at this point. I believe France and Singapore are no longer involved at this point in time.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 1:27 pm

I took a domestic Turkmenistan flight from Ashgabat. A security guard tried to intimidate me into giving him $10. If that happens to do what I did: tell him to go to hell.

Germany has been trying to build up its presence in Central Asia. Germany has a military base in Termez, Uzbzekistan near the Afghan border and is real keen on the energy resources of the region. Funny thing is, that there's only 1 weekly flight between Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. Says a lot about how cooperation is going between Central Asian countries.

Ashgabat is a zany, weird city - you'll love it. Get the Lonely Planet Central Asia guidebook, it'll give you a brief history that'll make you appreciate this fascinating part of the world.

It's too bad that President for Life Sapparamut Niyazov Turkmenbashi died last year. He had a cult of personality that was only rivaled by Kim Il-sung of North Korea. Cities were named after him (look at the name of the large town on the Caspian coast), months of the year named after him and his mother, and I'm not sure but I'd bet you're flying into Turkmenbashi Airport also.

Like most Central Asian's, though, the people are extremely hospitable.

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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 5:27 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 10):
LH 612/613 is an A300?

A330-300, although it was listed as an A300 about three months out

It used to be operated by an A300 (ABA) with a different config than the A300's (AB6) flying in Europe.
LH installed the old C-class seats from the 744 and 343 in these birds. Therefore quite a comfy ride on a A300.
Due to demand LH switched to the 333 since summer schedule, and CAI now sees 2x daily A300 iso 2x 330.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
The current airlines into Manas International Airport (FRU) are; Kyrgyzstan Airlines, Altyn Air, Itek Air, Uzbekistan airways, Enkor, Kyrgyz Air, China Xinjiang airlines, Botir Airlines, Aeroflot, Turkish Airlines, and of course BA/BMed

China Xinjinag Airlines was merged into China Southern six years back.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Thu May 17, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting Remcor (Reply 13):
Get the Lonely Planet Central Asia guidebook

I've had it for a year Smile

Quoting Remcor (Reply 13):
It's too bad that President for Life Sapparamut Niyazov Turkmenbashi died last year. He had a cult of personality that was only rivaled by Kim Il-sung of North Korea

That's what initially drew me to Turkmenistan. However for the Turkmen it's probably a good thing that Turkmenbashi died even though his replacement isn't much better.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Fri May 18, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):

That's what initially drew me to Turkmenistan. However for the Turkmen it's probably a good thing that Turkmenbashi died even though his replacement isn't much better.

We'll see, things take time. He fired the veteran secret service chief this week, whom many analysts think held a lot of power in the Turkmen government for decades. So there are a few indications that Turkmenistan may improve... eventually.

Anyway, you'll have a blast. I also recommend other Central Asian states.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Fri May 18, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
China Xinjinag Airlines was merged into China Southern six years back.

And to think I got that from the Masan website!
http://www.airport.kg/eng/airlines.htm
As I mentioned in my previous post, good and accurate information for this region of the world is hard to come by, Thank you for the update!
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Fri May 18, 2007 6:13 am

As a sidenote, I just happened to find out yesterday that Turkmenistan Airlies is one of the few intl carriers without an official website.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Fri May 18, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Remcor (Reply 17):
I also recommend other Central Asian states.

I'm dying to go to all of 'em...even Afghanistan but I think I'll wait for that one to cool off first. Kyrgyzstan is our back up if ASB fills up suddenly somehow.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Fri May 18, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I'm dying to go to all of 'em...even Afghanistan but I think I'll wait for that one to cool off first. Kyrgyzstan is our back up if ASB fills up suddenly somehow.

Was all the visa red-tape a hassle to get around?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Sat May 19, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 21):
Was all the visa red-tape a hassle to get around?

Not yet...at least getting the Turkmenistan visa was not too hard; you just have to get an invitation first and those are offered by most tour companies over there.
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Sat May 19, 2007 1:05 am

My cousins flew to BKK via Ashgabat on Turkmenistan Airlines.On arrival into Ashgabat they were allowed off the aircraft.My cousin went to take a photo of the plane and airport and rapidly had a machine gun pointing in his nose by the local authorities.They described the exeperience like something out of the dark ages and the flight was apparently a never to be repeated experience!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Sat May 19, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 19):
As a sidenote, I just happened to find out yesterday that Turkmenistan Airlies is one of the few intl carriers without an official website.

That could be partially because there's no public internet access allowed in Turkmenistan. I've heard that recently they've allowed a internet cafe to open in Ashgabat, but I've also heard that people have to show their ID and there's soldiers posted in front. That's fine for you and me, but it's pretty intimidating for an average Turkmen who dares to want to get some non state-run news. In that context, it's understandable that Turkmenistan Airlines wouldn't have a website.

I did get to fly in one of their Tu-154's before they retired them, though. That was a sweet ride.

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 23):
They described the exeperience like something out of the dark ages and the flight was apparently a never to be repeated experience!

Oh come on, that's flavor! That's what makes for good stories later!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Sat May 19, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 23):
My cousins flew to BKK via Ashgabat on Turkmenistan Airlines.On arrival into Ashgabat they were allowed off the aircraft.My cousin went to take a photo of the plane and airport and rapidly had a machine gun pointing in his nose by the local authorities.

I have no visibility whether you are a UK citizen or not. The section on the attachment, "Local Laws and Customs" specifically mentions airports and photography.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?...a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386541

I advise all UK citizens to use this website prior to travelling to foreign countries. Many people in the UK are presently dissatisfied with the country and/or government. At the moment, the FCO website is actually first class. It should be both praised and publicised.

Just my 5RMB.

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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Sat May 19, 2007 11:36 pm

After TurkManBashi died (Turkmenistan President) there has been a flood of flights into the country. It is actually very hard to find an empty seat on any flights. S7 has been running three flights a day from Moscow, Chelyabnisk, Krasnoyarsk-Ashgabat.

During the time of the old president it was very hard to do business there. Now, after he died you have a flood of actually business people in the country it is actually looking like Russia the first days after the collapse of Soviet Union.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Sun May 20, 2007 8:31 am

Are there many standby's traveling IAH/FRA midweek? What are the odds of scoring an upgrade Smile?
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RE: Lufthansa Loads To Ashgabat

Tue May 22, 2007 10:52 am

Can anyone at LH give me an update on how many seats are available for the following flights? Feel free to private message me. Thanks!

May 23 IAHFRA #441
May 24 FRAASB #612
May 28 ASBFRA #613
May 28 FRAIAH #440

Incidentally I called LH and they told me there weren't any seats left in the ID booking class?? How does an airline have a booking class for nonrevs? And how can it be full???
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