treeny
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Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 4:37 am

Hi All

For a long time I have often wondered really how the system works in airports concerning the transfer of checked bags from plane to plane when passengers are connecting and their bags have been checked through.

Who has the responsability to take one bag from the plane and put it onto the following?

What is the system used to say that a bag has been offloaded and reloaded onto the next plane?

How (if it does) does the system change for example on codeshares when maybe ground handling are two different companies and or airlines?

If anyone one out there could give me an insight into this I would really appreciate it - its a topic that interests me greatly.

Thanks as always

Mark
 
MattRB
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 6:17 am

I can only speak from my experiences here at YYZ with AC (it may differ from airport to airport, airline to airline)

If the bag is a hot connection (connecting from flight to flight in under an hour) the connecting bags will be brought directly to the flight (unless it is going to certain destinations that require the bag to go through a security screening again).

If the connection is longer than an hour, the bag will be inducted into the baggage system for sorting to the proper lateral belt for inclusion into the baggage canisters for that flight.
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N766UA
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 6:40 am

The transfer bags we get most often here are Delta to Continental bags. In our case, CAL sends a guy over to meet every DL flight and he'll wait while we offload bags, grabbing any luggage which isn't terminating in CLE and is instead headed further on. He'll then either drive them over right to the connecting flight, if it's a quick connection, or he'll drive them over to CAL's bag room and they'll sort it from there as if it were checked in Cleveland in the first place. It's all pretty low-tech.
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Venezuela747
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 6:44 am

When I flew CO I landed at IAH with about 5 minutes between flights. Luckily it was next door. After i sat down and as soon as we were getting ready to go I saw my bag being unloaded from the plane next door, some guy came and grabbed it and carried it over to my plane to be loaded. So I am guessing the baggage handler get a list or so of close connections on delayed aircrafts and they have certain people in charge of taking care of each bag that need to be personally taken to another aircraft. Otherwise I believe everyting is read and acounted for in the bar code each bag has. For example, I believe if it scans the bar code when it is loaded into the cart, it is accounted for having been loaded into the plane when it departs, and so on. It is quite a wonderful world down under the terminal.
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Cubsrule
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 6:51 am

If you look at DL bag tags, they'll actually say "Hot" on a quick connection, giving the baggage handler a visual clue that the bag needs to be run as a hot connection.
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 7:00 am

Quote:
If you look at DL bag tags, they'll actually say "Hot" on a quick connection, giving the baggage handler a visual clue that the bag needs to be run as a hot connection.

I'll be sure and double-check this when I fly DL to MSP - I've only got 34 minutes at SLC (mainline 757 to SkyWest CRJ-700), and although SLC is easy to navigate, I'd be comfortable knowing my bag was getting transferred quickly as well!!

Do other airlines do this "hot" tag as well? I'm flying AA through DFW with only a 40 minute scheduled connection time (mainline to Eagle).

Thanks for posting, Treeny!!
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durangomac
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 7:17 am

UA does the hot bags as well. On UA tags, you can look at the tag and see by way the number on the far right next to the flight number looks. It's not the number itself but the way it's printed. I don't have to deal with it but if my memory service me correct if that number is white on a black background, that bag is considered a hot bag and needs to be transfered "tail to tail."
 
Maverick623
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 11:06 am

At US/HP in PHX, we have an entire department with agents dedicated to running the connecting bags from an assigned inbound. Each conx agent is assigned a line with (depending on full/part time status) 3-5 flights per shift, with our Express-to-Mainline runners generally handling two flights at once (for a total of 6-8 flights). There are also anywhere from 10-15 "hot" runners, who assist the primary runner on late and heavy inbounds. Mesa Airlines takes care of their own mainline-to-express connecting bags, and obviously express-to-express.

We also have an "interline runner", who swings by when called by the gate team to pick up bags connecting on another airline in PHX, usually United (Star Alliance) but also some DL, F9, OO, AA, TZ, BA, etc...

International inbounds are a whole 'nother can of worms. Our Mexico inbounds are downloaded to Customs by a seperately assigned conx crew, with the connecting luggage sorted and run through rampside TSA screening. Although our Canadian flights are pre-cleared, the connecting bags still have to be run through TSA, which drives up our MBR a bit when we have a late inbound, as the bags miss while being screened and our ramp tower is reluctant to hold flights for the bags.

Hope that didn't confuse you too much  Smile
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wcs
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 11:40 am

Hi,

From my last experience, with a flight between HNL and RDU with a stop at PHX, everything goes smooth. The first leg was operated by ATA, between HNL and PHX. The second leg was operated by US, between PHX and RDU. The ticket for the whole trip was issued by ATA.

During the check in process in HNL, ATA's crew flagged our luggages with a HUGE "transfer" pink label and checked it to final destination RDU. We didn't have to take care of our bags at PHX.

As the ticket was issued by ATA, it's my understanding that the PNR shows RDU as the final destination, even if the second leg is NOT operated by ATA. Basically, it's should be enough for computers during the sorting process.

Now you add the huge TRANSFER label and one can figure that our bags were putted on dedicated "wagon" during the offloading process at PHX.

Everything was smooth and on time. Now that's a beautiful piece of software at work! As an IT, I do appreciate it!
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SkyexRamper
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 1:53 pm

Tip if interlining at MKE. (inbound) If you're thinking about connecting in MKE, to a midwest flight or more specifically a Midwest Connect flight, from NWA, DAL or AA please think again. These are the 3 worst airlines here in MKE that don't transfer bags to us with in a reasonable time. AA and DAL almost always give us bags 1.5-2hrs late. It's horrible and YX gets blamed for the missed bag because we were the last carrier to fly you.
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Cubsrule
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 2:23 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 9):
Tip if interlining at MKE. (inbound) If you're thinking about connecting in MKE, to a midwest flight or more specifically a Midwest Connect flight, from NWA, DAL or AA please think again. These are the 3 worst airlines here in MKE that don't transfer bags to us with in a reasonable time. AA and DAL almost always give us bags 1.5-2hrs late. It's horrible and YX gets blamed for the missed bag because we were the last carrier to fly you.

What do they do with the bags? DL and NW particularly almost always have bags on the belt within 10 minutes of blocking in. Are the rampers rifling through the interline bags before running them?
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Maverick623
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
What do they do with the bags? DL and NW particularly almost always have bags on the belt within 10 minutes of blocking in. Are the rampers rifling through the interline bags before running them?

We have the same problem with YV's interline "service" in PHX. Basically they're supposed to have a dedicated runner or two to run between the terminals delivering bags. Well, 9 times out of 10 there isn't one available, so you'll see the bags sitting on the ramp for up to 4 hours before someone from their expedite makes their way over and picks it up.

Unfortunately for the receiving airline the DOT charges the missed bag to the final airline, however most interline agreements stipulate that the airline running the inbound be responsible for connecting the bag, as the computer systems may be different and you may not know how many or if any bags will be transferring to/from another airline.
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SkyexRamper
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RE: Connecting Flight Baggage Transfer

Wed May 16, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
What do they do with the bags? DL and NW particularly almost always have bags on the belt within 10 minutes of blocking in. Are the rampers rifling through the interline bags before running them?

They go offload their MKE bags and then forget about ours I guess. No freak'n clue, it's very annoying when you get bags many hours later.
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