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MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 5:03 am

Wow. MLB looks to be getting a once weekly 330 from Berlin:

M-Touristik AG of Rostock, Germany said its agreement with LTU International Airways calls for flights on a 320-seat Airbus 330 to begin Nov. 4 and continue weekly for 26 weeks.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...0070516/BREAKINGNEWS/70516033/1086
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 5:18 am

Good for Berlin to see some more longhaul flights -even if this is just a charter flight !!
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 5:23 am

Call me a skeptic, but what for? What kind of market is there supposed to be at or around MLB that warrants a weekly flight to Berlin?
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 5:28 am

The question now is, when is MLB going to get a new airline? I live there and I'm tired of only having delta!
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
What kind of market is there supposed to be at or around MLB that warrants a weekly flight to Berlin?

Uncrowded beaches? Close to Orlando? Got a great deal from the Airport?
I do not know.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
What kind of market is there supposed to be at or around MLB that warrants a weekly flight to Berlin?

It is a charter flight so the risk is on M-Touristik to get passengers for that flight. Maybe they figure that now AB can be a feeder for LTU in TXL and Florida is still a popular vacation spot for German tourists.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 6:24 am

Hmm, the sight of an A330 coming into MLB might result in traffic stopping on the causeways!

This is very interesting news. Well done Melbourne!
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 6:32 am

Yikes! How long would it take for 320 passengers to clear Immigration & Customs at MLB?
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
Yikes! How long would it take for 320 passengers to clear Immigration & Customs at MLB?

Not too long.

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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 7:27 am

What the hell? MLB? Why not MCO? or even Orlando Sanford International? This is probably one of the worst moves LTU has made IMO.


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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 9):
What the hell? MLB? Why not MCO? or even Orlando Sanford International? This is probably one of the worst moves LTU has made IMO.

Why?
If the flights are guaranteed revenue by the tour operator (M-Touristik AG) ....what has LTU got to lose?
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 9):
What the hell? MLB? Why not MCO? or even Orlando Sanford International? This is probably one of the worst moves LTU has made IMO.

Considering the airport authority paid out a good amount of money a while back to some company just to market MLB as a destination, this is a win in my opinion, as the money did not go to waste.

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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 8:20 am

Highway 192 heads right to Disney, plus we have the beaches, plus the Airport Authority gave the the charter company some coin.

But yeah, a 330 into MLB. I about pee my pants when J-Stars has a 707 around.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 8:55 am

MLB not only has some great beches (Cocoa beach being among one of my favorites) but it also has the KSC visitors center to the north which is one fo the large toruist attractions on the east coast of florida. I flew out fo there on USAIR once (before thy dropped it) and found it to be a very nice terminal with a floor that gradually sloops up to the gate areas (so there is no need for escalators, elevators, or stairs).
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 9:10 am

I recently flew out of MLB and it is a breeze to fly out of as a passenger, took me 2 minutes to be on the security line and 5 minutes to be on the plane.

Its gonna be interesting seeing the A330 and me being in a little arrow doing flight training, can you say caution wake turbulence!

Any idea on schedule?
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 9:15 am

I look forward to seeing pictures.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 9):
What the hell? MLB? Why not MCO? or even Orlando Sanford International? This is probably one of the worst moves LTU has made IMO.


LTU hasnothing to lose. This isn't an "LTU move." If anybody loses money, it will be M-Touristik AG. LTU is guaranteed to make money on this, no questions asked.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 9:24 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 14):
Any idea on schedule?

Looks like they are going to be once a week on Sunday's.

Tomorrow's Florida Yesterday should have more info.

Any idea on the feasability of me getting hired as a once a week baggage handler?
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 9:28 am

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 13):
but it also has the KSC visitors center to the north which is one fo the large toruist attractions on the east coast of florida.

I was floored to find out today that NASA/KSC charges $51 per person ($41 for under-11's) to see a shuttle launch from the NASA causeway.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 12:01 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 18):
I was floored to find out today that NASA/KSC charges $51 per person ($41 for under-11's) to see a shuttle launch from the NASA causeway.

If you can get a ticket, it used to be you could park your cars there with a free ticket, thanks osama.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 18):
I was floored to find out today that NASA/KSC charges $51 per person ($41 for under-11's) to see a shuttle launch from the NASA causeway.

There are plenty of places that don't charge.

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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 11:28 pm

The full story:

Melbourne International is spending $500,000 to get the charter flights, as well as waiving an estimated $115,000 in fees and charges for a year.

Figuring conservatively on 200 passengers a week from Germany to Melbourne for the November through April period, Ennis estimated that at least $6 million would be injected into the local economy in the first season alone.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...=/20070517/BUSINESS/705170325/1003
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 11:38 pm

Does anyone know if M-Touristik AG is also planning tourist packages that will include hotels and trips to KSC? I'm not sure what tourist will do in Melbourne during the winter. You might get some nice beach days, but the water will be cold.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Thu May 17, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 22):
Does anyone know if M-Touristik AG is also planning tourist packages that will include hotels and trips to KSC? I'm not sure what tourist will do in Melbourne during the winter. You might get some nice beach days, but the water will be cold.

Oh, I am sure they will include KSC in some fashion. Disney day trips will also be incorporated. Fishing, surfing, etc. Casino boat out of the Cape. Maybe some of the tourists will grab a cruise also.

I just want to be a baggage handler for these flights.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 19):
If you can get a ticket, it used to be you could park your cars there with a free ticket, thanks osama.

I've viewed several launches. Used to be one of the good things about living on the Space Coast.

But I think Osama is just an excuse - they could charge a "parking fee" of something reasonable, like $5 or even $10 and provide the bus if Osama really was the problem. Instead they charge like it's Disney, to see stuff our tax dollars have long ago already paid for.

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
There are plenty of places that don't charge.

Yes, I know, but the NASA causeway is one of the better spots.

I don't think it's right to charge theme park prices for something that is already paid for by the tax-payers. A nominal fee to cover expenses, sure, but this is ridiculous.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 3):
The question now is, when is MLB going to get a new airline? I live there and I'm tired of only having delta!

Didn't Spirt also serve MLB in the 90's? How about USAIR? I remember seen a Spirit MD80 there once and while driving on I95 saw a USAir MD80 on finals. There was going to be an airline based @MLB flying DC-9s but that venture never got off the ground. The info used to be on the airport's website.

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 23):
Oh, I am sure they will include KSC in some fashion. Disney day trips will also be incorporated. Fishing, surfing, etc. Casino boat out of the Cape. Maybe some of the tourists will grab a cruise also.

Parts of Cocoa Bach along A1A are reminiscent of International Drive in Orlando with a beach feel with Ron Jon's and other shoppes. Some stretches feel like one is in A1A around ft lauderdale or palm beach with the benefit that the traffic isn't too bad. It seems to have more life and like it's gotten fixed up because it looks quite nice. While Daytona Beach has sharply declined as a spring break destination and for the local college crowd cocoa beach has been on the rise.

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
Quoting Khobar (Reply 18):
I was floored to find out today that NASA/KSC charges $51 per person ($41 for under-11's) to see a shuttle launch from the NASA causeway.

There are plenty of places that don't charge.

Is that much closer than Jetty Park? That's the closest spot I've seen a launch from. Jetty park is like what, a mile or so fromt the launch site?
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 25):
While Daytona Beach has sharply declined as a spring break destination and for the local college crowd cocoa beach has been on the rise.

Actually, according to the city of Daytona Beach, they saw a significant increase in number of spring breakers this year over last year. As much as a 49% increase. Anyway, on the topic, this is great news for MLB. Maybe someday, we'll see LTU back at DAB.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 1:38 pm

Looking at it, MLB now makes much more sense than returning to DAB for LTU.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 26):
Actually, according to the city of Daytona Beach, they saw a significant increase in number of spring breakers this year over last year. As much as a 49% increase. Anyway, on the topic, this is great news for MLB. Maybe someday, we'll see LTU back at DAB.

Interesting because 49% seems laughably impossible, especially from one year to the next. Not to mention it would also go against common sense since the city itself has discouraged spring break and many former hotels there have been turned into residential condos. Everyone I know from around 30 and under doesn't go there anymore and they all say the same thing it's not even worth it. Most college students go to Panama City, Cocoa Beach, South Beach or Cancun.

Just read here, third paragraph 2nd sentence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytona_Beach,_Florida

The city of Daytona has basically discouraged the spring break scene for years. Something similar to what clueless, out-of-touch Orlando city officials did when they ordered nightspots close at 2am sending a thriving dance music scene down to Miami. The biggest DJs have rarely come to Orlando since.

As far as the natural beach itself, I find Daytona's water too shallow and too murky. Can't be good for surfing, waves are always small. I haven't been there in a few years but I swear the water was like brown sometimes lol. Well, at least you still get to drive on the beach at 10mph.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 27):

Well, thanks for the information, but I will respectfully have to disagree that it's impossible to have a 49% increase in spring breakers, as last year's numbers were so low that a 49% increase really wouldn't be that many people. Anyway, I'll believe my opinion and you believe yours.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 3:36 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 27):
The city of Daytona has basically discouraged the spring break scene for years. Something similar to what clueless, out-of-touch Orlando city officials did when they ordered nightspots close at 2am sending a thriving dance music scene down to Miami. The biggest DJs have rarely come to Orlando since.

Well idiotic Brevard county better get its act together and allow nightlife to go past 2 am, becouse germans wont be to happy being sent home that early.

When I first moved to MLB it was a shock for me that the only 3 decent places, City Tropics, Foo Bar and Mainstreet all close at 2, as well as all bars in Cocoa; this was a major shock becouse back home clubs open till 7 am.

MLB just needs a bit more relaxed attitude and it would be a great place. I love the beach and the weather is usually perfect, but the nightlife is just horrible; and Brevard PD are the worst redneck biggots that I have ever seen.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 7:51 pm

Floridaflyboy,

I wasn't trying to argue but the way you worded it made it sound like college spring break there is coming back strongly when it isn't. I know the city of Daytona is trying to market itself more as a family spring break destination although considering how expensive gas is, the timing is not the best.

By the way now someone wearing a thong bathingsuit can be fined $500 at Daytona Big grin There might be a similar policy in the Cocoa/Melbourne beaches not sure if they enforce it.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 29):
Well idiotic Brevard county better get its act together and allow nightlife to go past 2 am, becouse germans wont be to happy being sent home that early.

When I first moved to MLB it was a shock for me that the only 3 decent places, City Tropics, Foo Bar and Mainstreet all close at 2, as well as all bars in Cocoa; this was a major shock becouse back home clubs open till 7 am.

For real. At the time I used to be getting inside a place when I used to club a lot in Miami was about the same time clubs were closing in Orlando. I guess MLB has this useless rule too lol? I'm not a fan of the South Beach decadence but no fan of stupid rules either.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 29):
MLB just needs a bit more relaxed attitude and it would be a great place. I love the beach and the weather is usually perfect, but the nightlife is just horrible; and Brevard PD are the worst redneck biggots that I have ever seen.

Never been to any of these places in the space coast, what made them so horrible? As far as the local police I wouldn't know myself but I doubt they can be worse than the Ft. Lauderdale/Broward redneck cops. Those have to be the dumbest humans in all of florida.


Btw any interesting parked airliners at DAB, MLB?
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Fri May 18, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 30):
Btw any interesting parked airliners at DAB, MLB?

Not really any at MLB. There are a couple of old jets parked at the FIT Hanger. Harris has their CL-600 out everynow and then. Liberty has their plant here.

Aside from that, nothing really. That is why I have going to be aroused when the 330 comes in.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 2:39 am

Hey, great news for TXL. I'd love to see that LTU A330. However, two things are sad.

a) LTU's new livery

b) Only one per week

Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
Florida is still a popular vacation spot for German tourists.

Don't you think it has gone down? I'm certainly not going there any longer.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 12):
Highway 192 heads right to Disney, plus we have the beaches, plus the Airport Authority gave the the charter company some coin.

Oh God, Highway 192 is the slowest highway in the world during rush hour. You got speed limits of 55 mph in the middle of a swamp on a divided road with cops waiting to nail you. Then once you get to St. Cloud the traffic is terrible all the way to the Disney area as it takes an hour just to travel St Cloud to Disney. Would have made more sense to bring LTU back to MCO or DAB.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 33):
Oh God, Highway 192 is the slowest highway in the world during rush hour. You got speed limits of 55 mph in the middle of a swamp on a divided road with cops waiting to nail you. Then once you get to St. Cloud the traffic is terrible all the way to the Disney area as it takes an hour just to travel St Cloud to Disney. Would have made more sense to bring LTU back to MCO or DAB.

Shhhhh....192 is a viable expressway. Plus, no tolls.

Actually once they get 4 lanes, it won't be too bad.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 25):
Is that much closer than Jetty Park? That's the closest spot I've seen a launch from. Jetty park is like what, a mile or so fromt the launch site?

Jetty Park is nearly 14 miles from the launch area, and there is no clear view of the launch area. You have to wait until the shuttle is airborne. It's still pretty nice though.

View from the NASA causeway is direct and "only" between 6.5 and 7.5 miles away. It's far superior for viewing and for rumble - but not worth $51 a head.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Call me a skeptic, but what for? What kind of market is there supposed to be at or around MLB that warrants a weekly flight to Berlin?

Has anybody considered yet that this might be a full-charter of Cruise passengers ?!
IIRC, there is a big cruise terminal in the vicinity of MLB ...
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 30):
Btw any interesting parked airliners at DAB, MLB?

There's an Amerijet 727 at DAB as well as some old propliners.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 36):

Has anybody considered yet that this might be a full-charter of Cruise passengers ?!
IIRC, there is a big cruise terminal in the vicinity of MLB ...
-HT

If they can get this in midday for a 5 pm cruise departure, this would make perfect sense. Only problem is the timing would be off. Don't European flights usually get in around the afternoon/evening?
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sat May 19, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 38):
Don't European flights usually get in around the afternoon/evening?

Many of these rely on feeder flights to arrive at the european departure airport.

In case this flight is planned to be pure O&D, there is no need for LT to wait for feeder flights to arrive at TXL, enabling them to depart as early as 0600h, but this would mean night-stopping a A330 at TXL which hardly is economical.
With a flight time of around 10+ hours TXL-MLB, they could arrive as early 10.30am.

In case the flight is supposed to be fed by AB (which is the owner of LT), a departure around 0930h would be feasible, giving a approx 1400h arrival at MLB.

No info yet available on M-Touristik's website http://www.m-touristik.de
I have never come across this tour operator before, but they seem to be a full service Travel Agent licensed to seel IATA-flights (which usually is a positive indicator).
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Sun May 20, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 31):
Not really any at MLB. There are a couple of old jets parked at the FIT Hanger. Harris has their CL-600 out everynow and then. Liberty has their plant here.

Aside from that, nothing really. That is why I have going to be aroused when the 330 comes in.

There used to be an ex TAL DC-6 probably broken up by now.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 32):
Hey, great news for TXL. I'd love to see that LTU A330. However, two things are sad.

a) LTU's new livery

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Quoting Thorben (Reply 32):
Don't you think it has gone down? I'm certainly not going there any longer.

can you share why?

Quoting Khobar (Reply 35):
Jetty Park is nearly 14 miles from the launch area, and there is no clear view of the launch area. You have to wait until the shuttle is airborne. It's still pretty nice though.

really.. that far? it's been a while but when I saw it from there it seemed closer. But yes there's that "hill" at the north end of the port canaveral entrance that blocks the view for the first 2 or 3 seconds.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 37):
There's an Amerijet 727 at DAB as well as some old propliners.

Cool. Last time I was there an Anatolia A300 was being b/u. I heard the SAA A300 "love plane" was b/u there as well. I guess the old props must be the convairs.
 
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Mon May 21, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 40):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 32):
Don't you think it has gone down? I'm certainly not going there any longer.

can you share why?

a) Mainly because of the fingerprinting and picture-taking issue. That is for criminals, not for tourist. I do not allow a foreign government, especially this pariah one, to own biometric data of me.

b) I've been to Florida before, I want to try something else.

Last year I've been to Cuba, very nice, but of course with some negative issues (like poverty, socialism etc.) At least they didn't want my fingerprints.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Mon May 21, 2007 1:35 am

Good for MLB for pulling this off. Too bad I no longer live in MLB because I'd be parked out by the airport to take pics. It would be impressive to see a jet this large coming in for a landing.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Mon May 21, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 41):
Last year I've been to Cuba, very nice, but of course with some negative issues (like poverty, socialism etc.)

There is no poverty in Cuba, everyone is equal, and Socialism is good. Ask Michael Moore!

LOL.
 
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Mon May 21, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 43):
There is no poverty in Cuba, everyone is equal, and Socialism is good. Ask Michael Moore!

I decided to get my own opinion by travelling to Cuba. Socialism stinks (that I knew before), and they are not even all equally poor in Cuba. Some people manage to achieve a decent wealth (in comparison to the rest there).
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Mon May 21, 2007 5:02 am

Perhaps they are poor. But in general are the people happy? I know we hear about people leaving on boats and what not. You have people sneaking out of this country for different reasons (usually legal problems). Being happy is what is most important not how much debt you run up or whatever it is we do here.
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RE: MLB-BERLIN To Start In November

Mon May 21, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 34):
Shhhhh....192 is a viable expressway. Plus, no tolls.

I thought it was a highway too until I got nailed by a cop in the stupid speedtrap. Speedlimit never goes above 55 anywhere on it. Then there is construction and 2 lanes halfway between the Kissimmee and Melbourne area. Then St. Cloud is pretty busy, but nothing compared to what they have to deal with once they get west of the Florida Turnpike after Rush Hour when 192 often is just a standstill.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 37):
There's an Amerijet 727 at DAB as well as some old propliners.

That Amerijet 727 came in sometime in the fall of 2003, and the propliners are a bunch of old Convairs (I believe 240s) of the company Trans Florida.

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